[jselysianeagle]

I'm aching to make a trip out to Moscow and it's going to happen in the next year or so, but I wanted to pose this question to those that've partied in both NYC (Manhattan specifically) and Moscow.

Manhattan has world class women, if you party in the Meatpacking/SoHo/TriBeCa/LES - pretty much anywhere below 96th in Manhattan - you won't have to look far to find serious talent. This I know from living here for years and going out quite often.

But I keep hearing about how the talent in Moscow is such that even during the day there's a shit ton of serious eye candy, and in comparison to NYC while this may be true for certain parts of Manhattan, the day time scene isn't all that superlative. And I've heard that the high end clubs in Moscow are like a teenager's wildest dreams, lol. But of course I don't have first hand experience in this (yet).

Any veterans of both areas care to shed some light?

[Hypno]

Take the Lex 4/5/6 to Wall Street in the morning.

[Rossi]

Who said Manhattan have world-class women? I lived there 6 years during college and I don't think Manhattan have world-class women at all. There is so much variety, yes and there are so many hot girls, yes but according to population, hot girls ratio is not high at all.

I lived in Upper East Side and Soho, there's a lot of competition in NYC but if you try hard, you can land some 9's or even 10's if you have some cash.

I dated with some model in Manhattan, she was from Upper West Side. I dated with her for 2 years and then she found some ceo guy and she got married few years ago. I just saw her instagram last year, she got signed with Ford Models too.

Finding hot girl is alright but keeping her for long term is even harder in NYC.

[jselysianeagle]

(03-14-2017 09:16 PM)Rossi Wrote:  

Who said Manhattan have world-class women? I lived there 6 years during college and I don't think Manhattan have world-class women at all. There is so much variety, yes and there are so many hot girls, yes but according to population, hot girls ratio is not high at all.

I lived in Upper East Side and Soho, there's a lot of competition in NYC but if you try hard, you can land some 9's or even 10's if you have some cash.

I dated with some model in Manhattan, she was from Upper West Side. I dated with her for 2 years and then she found some ceo guy and she got married few years ago. I just saw her instagram last year, she got signed with Ford Models too.

Finding hot girl is alright but keeping her for long term is even harder in NYC.

Proportionally speaking, NYC is not the best city in the world for attractive women, agreed. Which is why I'm so keen on trying out Moscow precisely because everyone says that the percentage is so high there. But I'm lucky enough to live in a nice area of the city and able to avail of all the good nightlife venues, which have plenty of eye candy. Also agreed that the competition for 8s and above is extreme in the city.

That said, I'm also coming up on the 6 yr mark here and that itch to start on a new adventure is starting to get stronger, so I've started to explore my options...

[Clint Barton]

For women, NYC is great. I've lived in NYC for a long time. Did pretty well out here.

That said, Moscow is better.

[churros]

(03-14-2017 10:34 PM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

For women, NYC is great. I've lived in NYC for a long time. Did pretty well out here.

That said, Moscow is better.

How essential is speaking Russian?

[Fortis]

Damn, Clint himself says Russia is nice like that. I may have to eventually visit.

[sch]

Quality-wise Moscow is very similar to NY. I would choose NY for diversity of races and ethnic backgrounds. Speaking Russian is not a must, girls are mostly friendly towards foreigners. Beware though, Russian girls have Olympic class game.

[Clint Barton]

Not essential for Moscow.

(03-14-2017 10:50 PM)churros Wrote:  

(03-14-2017 10:34 PM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

For women, NYC is great. I've lived in NYC for a long time. Did pretty well out here.

That said, Moscow is better.

How essential is speaking Russian?

[jselysianeagle]

@Clint would love to hear of your experiences and views contrasting women between NYC and Moscow, what works well where etc. Not asking for a datasheet as we already have enough of those! Tks!

[Dantes]

I have a pretty good handle on both cities. I am a NYC native and spent the last two summers in Moscow.

No other city beats NYC for diversity. Moscow is more homogenous; however, you will meet women from all parts of the FSU. It is more diverse than Kiev for instance.

Some of the best girls I met in Moscow were from Kazan.

Moscow is not cheap but the recent currency devaluation makes it much more affordable. I paid $1750 per month for a central apartment in 2016 and $2100 per month in 2015 with the best logistics. These are favorable prices when compared to an apartment in Lower Manhattan.

Moscow is more spread out than Manhattan. The orientation of the city is based on what metro stop is closest to your destination/apartment. The metros are beautiful and very efficient. They blow away the subway system in NYC.

Most girls do not live in the first ring. However, they will frequent the center for work, school, to shop or see friends. You should get a good handle on date spots close to your pad. I arranged almost all of my dates within walking distance from my apartment. Girls will meet you just about anywhere in the first ring. Always choose a date spot that you know.

Moscow is safe. I never had any issues besides a few homeless people asking for money. Uber is relatively cheap in Moscow. So Moscow wins for more affordable transportation.

Russian ability goes along way but it is not necessary to score. Plenty of girls under 25 speak English.

Moscow is solid for Daygame, Nightgame and Online. I had more matches on Tinder than just about another city.

There is more do to in NYC in terms of nightlife Sunday-Wednesday. Moscow nightlife is really only viable Thursday through Saturday.

NYC is my place of birth, but Moscow has become my favorite city in the world.

Feel free to ask me questions.

[Kb972]

^ interesting.
Would love to hear more about Moscow.
A good friend of mine is trying to convince me to take a 5-day trip to Moscow with him around July.
I been living in NYC for almost 3 years.
While there is a lot of diversity, there's also a lot of competition for the higher tier girls.
Day game is tricky as nearly everyone has the "I'm in a rush" mentality during work hours.

[jselysianeagle]

@Dantes - many thanks for your post, solid info there. Did you notice any particular differences between Russian women and NYC women, in terms of what approaches work/don't work? Is provider game the way to go?

Did you roll solo at night? How effective was Tinder/online for you in terms of actually converting to meets + notches? I'd like to pipeline as much as possible and also pick up some Russian before I go there. How critical to your success was having a centrally located place? And are foreigners (NYers especially) there viewed with suspicion or held in high regard - meaning, can it be parlayed into some sort of advantage

[Rossi]

(03-14-2017 09:32 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

Proportionally speaking, NYC is not the best city in the world for attractive women, agreed. Which is why I'm so keen on trying out Moscow precisely because everyone says that the percentage is so high there. But I'm lucky enough to live in a nice area of the city and able to avail of all the good nightlife venues, which have plenty of eye candy. Also agreed that the competition for 8s and above is extreme in the city.

That said, I'm also coming up on the 6 yr mark here and that itch to start on a new adventure is starting to get stronger, so I've started to explore my options...

Yes. I think Manhattan is the best city in the world if you have enough cash. I mean, if you go to average restaurant in the city with a girl, it's easily $200. If you add up that, rent is around $4000. It's not much affordable for me anymore. I end up easily spending close to $10k per month.

I like white girls, tall 5'8 above, blonde and blue eyes. I've been in a lot of cities except Moscow because I heard it's as expensive as Manhattan, there are good options in Europe such as Vilnius, Stockholm, Riga, Tallinn, Warsaw and so on.

For example, hot girl ratio is a lot higher in Vilnius than Manhattan. If you walk into any restaurant, you can easily see several girls that would make you say "Woaahhh" and it's %500 cheaper than Manhattan.

I remember renting 2 bedroom place in heart of the city for $550.

[jselysianeagle]

(03-15-2017 02:23 PM)Rossi Wrote:  

For example, hot girl ratio is a lot higher in Vilnius than Manhattan. If you walk into any restaurant, you can easily see several girls that would make you say "Woaahhh" and it's %500 cheaper than Manhattan.

I remember renting 2 bedroom place in heart of the city for $550.

Wow, that sounds amazing. Consider me sold, lol I'm gonna have to start planning in earnest, now...

[Dantes]

(03-15-2017 12:53 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

@Dantes - many thanks for your post, solid info there. Did you notice any particular differences between Russian women and NYC women, in terms of what approaches work/don't work? Is provider game the way to go?

Did you roll solo at night? How effective was Tinder/online for you in terms of actually converting to meets + notches? I'd like to pipeline as much as possible and also pick up some Russian before I go there. How critical to your success was having a centrally located place? And are foreigners (NYers especially) there viewed with suspicion or held in high regard - meaning, can it be parlayed into some sort of advantage

Russian women respond well to men who are clear with their intentions and lead the interaction. They sniff out weak men quickly. This is not a city for the novice player if you are going after quality. I don't think I would have had the Game for Moscow in my 20s. But now in my early 40s, I feel like I am in my prime there.

It is ok to be direct with them and compliment them. You don't lose points like you will in the West. I enjoyed almost all of my dates there.

You absolutely don't need provider game. This is a long standing misconception and probably promoted by men who have never been in Russia. Don't be cheap. You are expected to pay for dates. If this doesn't fly with you, go to Denmark instead. I was dating girls half my age and never did any sponsor crap.

Aside from some political issues, girls like Americans and they all want to visit the main cities: NYC, Miami, Vegas, LA. It really doesn't matter where in the U.S. actually, being American holds status.

I rolled solo and with my boys. This is highly dependent on your style and comfort level rolling solo. Nobody cares if you are at a bar solo if that is your concern.

I do mostly Direct Daygame and most of my notches came via meeting girls during the day. My first summer there, I had a nice rotation of cute girls after 2 weeks. However, I did put a lot effort into Daygaming to make this happen. I also met a few nice girls through Online and Nightlife that resulted in notches and mini-relationships.

My advice is to go and see for yourself. You can only learn so much from others' words. Get your boots on the ground and see for yourself.

Good luck

[BallsDeep]

(03-15-2017 10:51 AM)Dantes Wrote:  

Moscow is safe. I never had any issues besides a few homeless people asking for money.

Dantes, have you run into Chechnyans while in Moscow? Do you have concerns cold approaching around them?

[Dantes]

(03-15-2017 06:34 PM)BallsDeep Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 10:51 AM)Dantes Wrote:  

Moscow is safe. I never had any issues besides a few homeless people asking for money.

Dantes, have you run into Chechnyans while in Moscow? Do you have concerns cold approaching around them?

BD,

Fortunately no. Some of the Gipsy taxi drivers are shady characters. They also have no clue as to how to navigate Moscow. Always use Uber.

[churros]

(03-15-2017 02:23 PM)Rossi Wrote:  

I remember renting 2 bedroom place in heart of the city for $550.

When was this? I thought Moscow was crazy expensive.

[Nascimento]

Dantes, did you notice a difference in how easy it is to escalate with Colombian vs. Russian girls?

I imagine date 1 bangs are rare and the exception rather than the rule. I imagine the sweet spot to be between dates 2 and 3.

[Rossi]

(03-15-2017 09:06 PM)churros Wrote:  

When was this? I thought Moscow was crazy expensive.

I didn't say that about Moscow. I was talking about Vilnius there.

[Dantes]

(03-15-2017 09:23 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  

Dantes, did you notice a difference in how easy it is to escalate with Colombian vs. Russian girls?

I imagine date 1 bangs are rare and the exception rather than the rule. I imagine the sweet spot to be between dates 2 and 3.

Yes 1st date bangs and ONS do happen but typically you should expect to close on date 2 and 3. One thing I like about Russian over Colombian women is that they are much less flaky and more punctual.

[JWLZG]

(03-15-2017 01:47 AM)sch Wrote:  

Quality-wise Moscow is very similar to NY. I would choose NY for diversity of races and ethnic backgrounds. Speaking Russian is not a must, girls are mostly friendly towards foreigners. Beware though, Russian girls have Olympic class game.

Can you elaborate on that beyond the obvious? I gather that Moscow isn't one of those havens for gameless beta Western dudes (à la the Philippines), rather the opposite, which is why I'm looking to hone mine before I get there.

Another thing I found pertinent to ask, from reading the various Moscow threads, is whether that city favours a particular age range for men. I'm hoping to move there within the next few years, and had the chance to accept a job posting there a couple of years ago. Would a guy in his late twenties to early thirties kill it there more so than if he were 25?

[Navas]

(03-14-2017 08:35 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

But I keep hearing about how the talent in Moscow is such that even during the day there's a shit ton of serious eye candy, and in comparison to NYC while this may be true for certain parts of Manhattan, the day time scene isn't all that superlative. And I've heard that the high end clubs in Moscow are like a teenager's wildest dreams, lol. But of course I don't have first hand experience in this (yet).

Any veterans of both areas care to shed some light?

I spent a few months in Moscow last year.

I also lived in NYC for a few months a while ago but didn’t party or gamed there much. I can compare the quality I saw at Meatpacking an night and SoHo/LES during the day.

I vouch for everything what Dantes said in this thread.

jselysianeagle - to answer you question, yes, what you hear is true. In comparison to NYC there is definitely more talent in Moscow. Yes, there are world class women in NYC but the number of hot girls in clubs and on the streets is strongly in favour of Moscow. 8s and 9s are not so rare in Moscow as in NYC hence less competition so women have less attitude and are easier to approach.

Another important factor is femininity. I don’t need to elaborate on this but Moscow wins over NYC trifold.

Russian is not essential to score but I am a native Russian speaker and I also rolled with guys there a few of times. I would say I had way more options just because of the language ability. Yes, many girls speak English but it was very common for me to be in a two set where only one girl spoke some English and the second one did not at all. So learn how to approach in Russian and master the translator game. Conversational Russian will be even better. Also more than one woman expressed to me that they don’t want to be with a foreigner because of difference in mentality. She is likely to forget it in front of a well put male with game but she is also very likely to believe it if you have difficulties communicating your personality to her with words.

Currency devaluation made Russia cheaper but the prices are climbing now very fast especially in Moscow, so anyone considering to visit should go now until this advantage is gone.

[Navas]

(03-15-2017 12:53 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

@Dantes - many thanks for your post, solid info there. Did you notice any particular differences between Russian women and NYC women, in terms of what approaches work/don't work? Is provider game the way to go?

Did you roll solo at night? How effective was Tinder/online for you in terms of actually converting to meets + notches? I'd like to pipeline as much as possible and also pick up some Russian before I go there. How critical to your success was having a centrally located place? And are foreigners (NYers especially) there viewed with suspicion or held in high regard - meaning, can it be parlayed into some sort of advantage

I didn't have many interactions with women in NY but I can share my experience with girls in Moscow.

Indeed as Dantes said being direct and confidently complimenting her is a way to go during the day. If you meet through a social circle do not telegraph interest until she is clearly trying to get your attention. For a night game both direct and indirect approaches work well and it really depends on your style and on hour of the night.

For online dates in Moscow I think the best strategy is not to express any interest on a first date. It gave me nearly 100% success rate and girls would often text me first after the date (wondering if I liked them). At the same time venue changing (indicating my interest) on a first date with online girls gave me around 50% success rate.

SNL in Moscow is likely with night game. For online dates SNL is possible but it will take some effort and settling for lower quality. For instance I SNLed 6s from Tinder and it took me from 9pm to 3am until I could bounce her home.

For Tinder I had a very high match ratio and very low conversion ratio but that depends a lot on your skills.

Your location should be within the subway circle line. One reason for this is that if a girl is within the circle line she is not more than one subway interchange away from home. It may sound weird but it is a way of thinking for many and it is a big deal. Even if you send her home by uber it is still mentally easier for her.

The downtown is big and you will have to take taxis to and from clubs anyway. Bouncing a girl home by taxi from a date or a club is completely fine, its not crucial to meet in a walking distance from your apartment. Distance and travel are norm here. If you already made out say you want to be alone with her and add some excuse (wine, view or cooking for her). If you haven’t made out yet say you like hanging out with her and use the same excuse.

Provider game is not needed. Even girls who expected some sort of relationship after the bang would bang me easily and with me being mostly aloof prior to the bang (6s and 7s). However there are more and more gold digging type of girls. Not all woman are like that but I was surprised how many of them are, especially top tier woman. There is so much money in the city now that I witnessed it anywhere from 6s to 9s. Whatever she can get from you from a dinner to a new washing machine to a yacht cruise - she will screen you and try to manipulate you for it. Even woman I already pulled tried to do that.