[Harami]

About me- turned 18 last month, business student. Average face, 5'8. Athletic already ( football not soccer) but could go to gym if the forum members suggest. ( if only I could get skinny legs )

Strengths- Confident, witty, frame
Weakness- Overthinking

Daily routine- day starts at 6.30 , at the bus stop by 7.30 ( public transport) not that much talent here, few same 6/7s. Next bus stop by 8.30, 7s running around in groups. Medical students. At campus by 9.30, lots of 7/8s 17,18,19, in their 20s. 10 mins walk to class. I flirt with girls in class (but i don't want to gf them, maybe one..oneitis, no thank you) Similar situation at day end but my energy is halved.
I have decided to start cold approaching after much birdwatching.

Forecasting- I know I'll get aleast one or two numbers. In campus I could feel them up at the fire escape stairs, I could take them to my friends hostel room or to other friends places who live nearby. I could go to their home, I won't bring any to my home.

Approach strategy: indirect (elderly, I'm lost) - direct (hi, eye contact, give me your number) mix.

What I'll work around: plausible deniability

Fears: girl freaks out/ignores like I'm some beggar when I say hi because of people around (I'll always have audience.)

Conclusion: I'm going to war, any advice? I'll be happy to provide more information. I'll keep posting approaches here everyday Monday onwards.

- harami
(meaning: yours truly rascal)

[Corollary]

Godspeed.

[Fortis]

If by overthinking you mean anxious then i'd suggest some gym time. Excess energy often manifests as anxiety for many guys. Hit the gym to get yourself feeling good.

[Harami]

When I have excess energy, I'm already using it. When I get home I know I've spent a productive day and not much energy is left anyway.
Although I could go to the gym on weekends. Can you lose leg muscles (they're becoming fat now) ?

[XXL]

What do you mean "war"?

Its gonna be an uphil batttle if you view it that way.

[Harami]

There's slaying in war, there's slaying in game.

[Fightersword]

In response to your fears, I wouldn't worry specifically about the freak out thing. I mean it could happen but it's a 1/1000 situation unless you're acting like a sperg. Them ignoring you is much more likely in comparison, though in most cases when a girl doesn't want to talk she'll just give short responses rather than ignore me entirely. In that case if I don't think I can make any ground I just take the message and head on to the next one. I don't think a girl has ever not responded to a hi I gave when I was holding good eye contact. I've had them say it first themselves with eye contact held too.

A lot of it really is mindset, and the mindset will be more positive the more you do it and the more numb you get to failure. So keep at it. I'd also try and reccomend not burning out: you need to keep at it consistently, but also don't go 150% the first few days then suddenly stop. I know more than a few guys who have stopped gaming after the first 'big week' or so.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(02-24-2017 02:33 AM)Harami Wrote:  

Fears: girl ...ignores like I'm some beggar when I say hi because of people around (I'll always have audience.)

This happened to me once, a girl I approached just turned her body and ignored me midway through the approach. Being ignored at the beginning of the approach is easier to deal with, but when a chick kills it halfway in the coldest way possible, it feels like a punch in the stomach.

Anyway, it took about a day to psychologically recover and then I went back to approaching soon after. Being rejected is not a big deal in the end.

I think approaches for a newbie end up with a bell curve distribution, with a small amount of approaches going really well, and a small amount of approaches going really badly, but most approaches sit in the mediocre middle.

Since you are statistically guaranteed of having both good and bad approaches, consider bad approaches the price of admission to the good approaches. If you're not having bad experiences doing approaches, you won't have good ones either, so you may as well embrace the good with the bad.

[Harami]

Talking about mindset towards rejection, I'm waiting for the "punch in the stomach" literally and figuratively. Ofcourse I'll sulk later but at that moment I'll probably chuckle at her behavior. I think this has happened before or is it deja vu? Conclusion, I have a positive attitude towards my fear.

[Harami]

ahaha I feel silly for digging my own grave, but since I said I'll report here, I'll comply. It's not Monday yet but I did some WARM UP yesterday, it wasn't much yet I felt good whole day after. All were short,
I had to get out of my house 2-3 times once to the barber and other time, well, I had to get a nail cutter. So I made it my opener : where can I get a nail cutter?

First girl, huge tits, I run up behind her and straight up said my line she didn't stop I said it again with a huh? then she looked up and said I don't know maybe you can get it at the cosmetic store, and I saw her teeths, and the thought of a bj from that mouth, shivering.

Second woman, with a baby, good looking but with a baby. I still stopped her and asked the question her reply was vague but she seemed intrigued.

Third girl, walking with her old parents she looks at me I look at her, good eye contact practice. I waltz along though.

Fourth, a school girl going home, her lips though, on the other side of the road and walks too fast and I'm going in the opposite direction, oh well. Very faint eye contact.
Fifth was a retail store lady but that doesn't really count, she was watching the same movie on TV as the barber.

I cringe when I read similar posts. So feedback is appreciated. Stop me before it's too late.

[ksbms]

(02-24-2017 02:33 AM)Harami Wrote:  

Fears: girl freaks out/ignores like I'm some beggar when I say hi because of people around (I'll always have audience.)

You poor little baby, some girl will ignore you... Guess what, one day you will be too old to talk to any sexy girl, you will be a cripple, and the only thing will be the sexy girls on TV. And guess, no-one will care. No-one. All sexy girls will ignore you. You've got very limited time on this planet, so better start right now - you will never be ready, you forge readiness by doing.

It's your life, make a decision. Either you'll get some or none, like most man - who get none, of few of these young, fresh, sexy girls. You know that coffee for closers only, aka 'pussy for men is only'? Either you talk to her or you don't. Either she'll open her legs for you or someone else. It's that simple.

Being a Man is to face your fears head on. You'll get rejected over and over and over again. But the more often you get these rejections, the more sexy girls will open their legs for you. Isn't in fantastic? And put it into proper context. You are not asked to charge with a bayonet mounted on a rifle against the enemy's frontline. To fear approaching death that is looking in your eyes, that is understandable. But caring if some broad will ignore you?

Man up, and get out there, and talk to that sexy girl before I'll do that.

[Harami]

Ksbms,
Had to take a screenshot of your comment, have heard everything before, but needed a reminder. Thanks!

[Harami]

DAY 1

0/3
Approach that lasted the longest,
Me: hi
Her:
Me: uh, ....which bus goes to x?
Her: 212
Me: I know, 216 goes too
Her:
Me: what do u do?
Her: why?
Me: I'm doing bba, so I'm just trying to be social
Her: I'm doing bba too (liar)
Me: where do u go to college?
Her: why?
Me: just, you know.
Her: even then, why?
Me: uh, what's your name?
Her: why?
I walk. I got the urge to answer her why with because you're cute. But she didn't reciprocate my smile even once, maybe I didn't even smile, I kept walking. A guy came up to me later asking what I talked about with her.
Her reaction was the same as mine towards a salesman a few days ago at the same place.
I went personal too soon, nervous as fk, legs moving the whole time. Felt like an ugly mofo the whole time. All my strengths mentioned above went to hell.
Other approaches were positive, but I didn't really do much in them. I think I was put off by an 8 I couldn't approach earlier. 30 mins of self-loathing.
Oh well. I'll try to be more positive and keep it natural next time.

[Harami]

I forgot she did give me some details about where she was going. I would've gotten further with her, if I hadn't asked too many personal questions out of nervousness.

[Baphomet]

(02-27-2017 06:04 AM)Harami Wrote:  

DAY 1

0/3
Approach that lasted the longest,
Me: hi
Her:
Me: uh, ....which bus goes to x?
Her: 212
Me: I know, 216 goes too
Her:
Me: what do u do?
Her: why?
Me: I'm doing bba, so I'm just trying to be social
Her: I'm doing bba too (liar)
Me: where do u go to college?
Her: why?
Me: just, you know.
Her: even then, why?
Me: uh, what's your name?
Her: why?
I walk. I got the urge to answer her why with because you're cute. But she didn't reciprocate my smile even once, maybe I didn't even smile, I kept walking. A guy came up to me later asking what I talked about with her.
Her reaction was the same as mine towards a salesman a few days ago at the same place.
I went personal too soon, nervous as fk, legs moving the whole time. Felt like an ugly mofo the whole time. All my strengths mentioned above went to hell.
Other approaches were positive, but I didn't really do much in them. I think I was put off by an 8 I couldn't approach earlier. 30 mins of self-loathing.
Oh well. I'll try to be more positive and keep it natural next time.

It's not that you went personal. You went boring. You said one of your strengths was being "witty." Where was that? You questioned her like a Customs Agent at the border.

Consider this better version:

ME - Hi. What train goes to Smallville?
HER - 212.
ME - 212! Thank you. You must be a memory expert to know that so fast! (Empathic statement complimenting her memory.)
HER - Not really. (But she feels good that someone thinks she's smart.)
ME - I don't know... Do any other trains go there? (Engagement request to make her feel even better about herself)
HER - Uh.. well. 216 does.
ME - See? You've got this stuff locked down!


At this point you will have greater success moving to more personal questions, ESPECIALLY if you start with a disclosure of your own.

ME - I'm just coming from class at "X University", you kind of look like you might be an "X University" student too, did I at least get that right? (Self disclosure - fun question in context of her being "so smart.")

This is a no lose scenario. If you're right you get to playfully say, "Well I got one out of three things right!" and you know where she goes to school.

If you're wrong, because you disclosed first, she will feel predisposed to share as well, and you still get to know where she goes to school.

This type of conversation is always about making the other person feel good about themselves.

[Harami]

@Baphomet
As I said all my strengths betrayed me. 'Memory expert', I have my doubts but I'll only know after actually using it. Thanks!

[Harami]

DAY 2
Nada : excuses, not my day, excuses.

[Harami]

DAY 3
I was wearing shirt, pant, blazer today. I think that's why I didn't had to do much for the warm up as people came to me.
The highlight approach:
I saw this girl earlier with her friends, I'm leaning against this counter at the bus stop she's walking past me, I ask her to stop. She stops and looks in my direction.
Me: can we talk for 2 mins?
Her: yeah sure
Me: are you here with friends?
Her: yeah, we just came from college.
Me: I'm in x uni, where do you go?
Her: x college, sector 10
Her: I'm going to my friends, come
Me: I'll miss my bus
I start walking with her anyway.
She introduces me to her friends.
Her: give your number for this (some bullsh*t, that's why she was so receptive.)
Me: why don't you give me yours first?
Her: (giggles) you give it first.
Me: I'll give mine, if you give yours.
She didn't give.
Me: what's your age?
Her: (tells her friend as if they're deaf) I'm 25,
Her friend: yeah and I'm 26 (both lying)
Me: sure I'm just 15 though.
They laugh.
Me: are you from x or y?
Her: x
Me: where in x?
Her: X, where r u from?
Blah,blah
Me: what's your name?
Her: R
Me: can I see you again?
Her: yeah we're at this spot all the time.
She's now sitting down with her friends, I'm losing interest so is she.
Me: do you have a boyfriend?
Her: ( again tells her deaf friends, they all laugh)
Her: That one is my boyfriend she's my girlfriend.
Her friend: yeah she has 6 boyfriends.
Me: uh huh (I don't think so)
Her friends were ugly. I could've isolated her, but that thought didn't cross my mind.
She's not looking at me now. It's dead, I linger around for a while then I walk.

[Mufasa]

One of the best weapons in my arsenal is causing them of some sexually suggestive creep shit in a teasing way.

How I woulda ran it:

Me: Hey [smile] which bus goes to Austin?
Her: 212
Me: Thanks. where are you headed? Look like you're about to go stalk your fake high school boy friend [laugh, side head tilt for skepticism, hand on the shoulder]
Her: probably laugh or something

Game on.

Quote:

Me: hi
Her:
Me: uh, ....which bus goes to x?
Her: 212
Me: I know, 216 goes too

Women are very intuitive and I'm sure when you said that her dog hears perked up sensing something was off. On my second read through I caught this and it sent me sideways.

Gotta remember a womans 1st thought is her safety with you. And you asked her a question you knew the answer to and then kept asking her personal questions like an axe murderer



Keep things lighthearted with some shoulder touches. Go for some creep shit early on.

Another example:

Me: hi
Her:
Me: uh, ....which bus goes to x?
Her: 212
Me: I know, 216 goes too
Her:
Me: what do u do?
Her: why?
Me: I want to make sure you're not an axe murder or something

--------------------------------

Me: can we talk for 2 mins?
Her: yeah sure
Me: are you here with friends?
Her: yeah, we just came from college.
Me: I'm in x uni, where do you go?
Her: x college, sector 10
Her: I'm going to my friends, come
Me: I'll miss my bus
I start walking with her anyway.
She introduces me to her friends.
Tough one but you can't go with her imo. She's trying to literally get you to chase her now. Gotta hold fast and go direct or reel her friends back in and go after them if she's going where they are going.

Her: give your number for this (some bullsh*t, that's why she was so receptive.) wrong. be a man just ask for the number. when she asks why tell her so you can sell it on the black market for crack cocaine
Me: why don't you give me yours first?
Her: (giggles) you give it first.
hold out your hand implying her to put her phone there. Take it and call or text yourself
Me: I'll give mine, if you give yours.
She didn't give.
Me: what's your age?
Her: (tells her friend as if they're deaf) I'm 25,
Her friend: yeah and I'm 26 (both lying)
Me: sure I'm just 15 though.
They laugh.
Me: are you from x or y?
Her: x
Me: where in x?
Her: X, where r u from?
Blah,blah
Me: what's your name?
Her: R
Me: can I see you again?
Her: yeah we're at this spot all the time.
She's now sitting down with her friends, I'm losing interest so is she.
Tough cuz they are deaf but in an ordinary situation you should start gaming her friends. Like she's not even there. Ive gone as far as to call out the target girl for not letting me take her out and then just watch her try to defend herself. The goal is to turn the friends into your allies of go after one of them

Me: do you have a boyfriend?
Her: ( again tells her deaf friends, they all laugh)
Her: That one is my boyfriend she's my girlfriend.
Perfect time to start sexualizing. I would have forced my way onto the seat between them or sat in their laps/layed across their laps, put my arms around their shoulders and said "they're my bf and gf now on our first date we're going star gazing on my yacht" some really lovey dove gay shit would get a laugh out of them

[Harami]

@Mufasa
Thanks, I'll try everything next time. Can't wait to do the skeptic side tilt 'shoulder touch' move.
You misunderstood one thing though, her friends weren't actually deaf, they could hear me, it was her impulse to repeat what I said, out of nervousness maybe? I found that funny.

[Harami]

DAY 4
Came home empty handed.
I woke up around 2 am and couldn't fall back asleep till 5am. So was tired the whole day. Plus my outfit didn't do me any favors either. I need a haircut.
One interaction:
Girl: is this bus going to the airport?
Me: yes, get in (she's hot)
Whole bus: no it's not going
Girl gets in and asks again
Me: yes!
Whole bus: no!

[Harami]

DAY 5
For some reason petite chicks have the best face. And I don't have to worry about height either. They have ass but b00bs, not so much.

In the morning I did my usual 'there's something in your hair' on this girl sitting in front of me in the bus. She checked her hair. Didn't really go anywhere.
Evening approach:
Packed place, girls hiding in groups, shielded by people. I saw a girl talking on phone, 6.5, I waited it out, I saw a policeman taking rounds. I felt like I was doing something wrong. Anyway I go to her after 5 mins. One hand on the counter that she was leaning against to.
Me: 212 goes to Z right?
She takes out one ear phone
Her: yeah, 216 goes too.
Me: are you going to Z too?
Her: no I'll get off at A
Me: that's in front of B right?
She shook her head probably.
Me: where do you go to college?
Her: I go to sector 11
Blah blah i ask about colleges there
Me: what's your course?
Her: time pass, short-end blah
(I'm forgetting some bits here)
Her: you look like you're from here.
Me: yeah but I go to XU so idk, what's your name?
Her: (she knows what's up) what's yours?
Me: (I tell her a long ass name)
Her: (laughs) mines short M
Me: what's it short for?
(She has taken out both earphones now)
Her: it's a nickname. (Bish I know that)
Me: (I tell her about typical regional names)
What song were you listening to?
Her: it's (regional) you won't understand
Me: no I listen to P songs. Blah blah
I ask her to teach me the regional language , pointing out the words she spoke. She giggles.
Me: though phone's used to save numbers as well.
She giggles. Doesn't give in.
I look at the policeman while he passes by.
Me: what's your age?
Her: I'm 12
Me: sure I'm 9 then. Or 13
She giggles.
Me: do you have a boyfriend?
Her: (she basically negs me with a big smile)
Me: I was asking cuz if you don't you could give me your number.
She giggles, but she thinks I'm younger.
I change position, stop talking, she puts back earphones. Our bus arrives, she gets in from one door, i from another. I get a seat she doesn't. She looks like a 7 in the bus, almost didn't recognize her. I would probably try again, if I see her.
And now we wait for the weekend to pass.

[Harami]

I'm stuck logistics wise, I only approach stationary targets. Or even if I stop them, It's only if they are in my immediate vicinity. And I miss so many opportunities everyday inside the buses (different crowd everyday), Roosh's model can't be applied in my situation. Even if i do approach they don't respond positively, today, a girl sitting literally next to me, ignored me when I asked her a question. On Friday, I tapped the head with one finger of the girl sitting in the seat in front of me. She turned slightly, scowled and turned her back again.
These past incidents don't matter, but I want to do better in future.

[polymath]

Don't tap strangers on the head. That's rude and weird.

One nonthreatening way to catch a person's attention from behind is a quick bump with the back of your fingers on their triceps. It's momentary and platonic, so pretty much nobody will ever object to it.

Tone it down a notch. Just strike up pleasant conversations. If you get the girl talking and smiling then you're doing well, even if it feels totally nonsexual. For a girl, the initial step of getting to know a new person who approached her is always slightly unpredictable, so just try to ease the tension and get the ball rolling without being overwhelmed.

Also, what is with the "there's something in your hair" approach? Something tells me you would have more luck with, "hey, how's it going?" Frankly, once a girl senses you are saying BS just to talk to her, she will lose interest unless it's really good BS or the delivery is really good.

I picture the hair approach as

"There's something in your hair."
*Girl checks* "no there's not"
"Good talking to you"

[Harami]

Thanks!
In the hair approach, I say it very seriously without any intention to follow up. They keep on checking for a long time, unless she has a friend to help out. It's just fun to watch them struggle.
I have a response ready for when they ask, what is it? " It's dandruff, use shampoo." They'll know I'm kidding. Then it can be turned into a conversation. Though they haven't asked yet. It's just for my amusement. She came all dolled up, now she's self-conscious.
It's in the experimental stage. I could play along and pretend to take it out for them.