[The Beast1]

This all could have been avoided with a monthly storage locker and a rental van to move your belongings in and out as neeeded when you travel.

As someone who went through this years ago and didn't listen to friends, this is all common sense. The only person you should be doing this with is your wife.

Let this be a warning: do not attach your life to unwedded women.

[birthday cat]

Conscientiousness is a personality trait used in the Five Factor Model as well as other personality theories. Some of the positive attributes correlated with conscientiousness people are that they are usually realistic, detail-oriented, accurate or precise, responsible, and they follow through on their commitments.

Of course there can also be negative attributes. Conscientiousness people can be very analytical which can sometimes go too far where they over-complicate things. Their focus on accuracy and precision can lead to black-and-white thinking which can sometimes go too far where they view relationships or agreements from a standpoint of someone must win and someone must lose, rather than understanding that it's possible for everyone to win. Also, conscientiousness people sometimes focus more on the negative aspects of situations or people, and have difficulty seeing the positive aspects. I am not surprised when I see a lot of conscientiousness attributes from manosphere writers who write about SJWs, feminism, and all the things that are wrong with women.

Conscientiousness people have a unique relationship with criticism. They are very critical of both other people and themselves. However, criticism is their biggest fear. Despite their high levels of realism, precision, and being critical of others; they can quickly rationalize away any criticism of themselves because they have difficulty in accepting criticism.

The one thing that really jumps out at me in this thread is the winning-versus-losing aspect of relationships instead of focusing on everyone winning. David has probably made a dozen statements that demonstrate this mindset including several comments about how the girl spent $8000 on the relationship which is more than her father makes in a year and seems to be about what she makes in 1.5 years based on her pay of $2 to $3 per hour.

I would be concerned about this if I was David because this winning-versus-losing approach is unlikely to lead to successful LTRs. It may seem like he has "won" because the relationship was very one-sided. She did all the cooking and cleaning, she was somewhat of a secretary for him, she spent a lot of her money on the relationship, and he cheated on her even though she lost her virginity to him. However, these things are what made her unhappy and eventually led to the end of the relationship.

If I was in this situation, I would forget about the money unless it was a large amount like a couple thousand dollars. David might be “right” because he has a legal contract but the perspective of the girl and her family and friends is that she got a bad deal out of this relationship so they don't care about the contract.

You can only push things so far with things like calling someone's employer and family members. Keep doing things like that and eventually a male relative, new boyfriend, or white-knight is going to get annoyed with your antics especially if they know you took her virginity and cheated on her. You might get your money but the next day you might slip and fall down a flight of stairs or get your legs broken by a couple of guys robbing you for the $20 in your wallet. I don't know if David's situation is close to that point but it would need to be a lot of money for me to go through the hassle of dealing with all these people.

If I was in a situation like this (which I have been) and if I had a high degree of conscientiousness (which I do) then I would use this situation as an opportunity to understand my own personality, what makes me happy, and what makes the people around me happy. I would also consider my level of game and what more I needed to learn about game. Analytical guys tend to have a hard time relating to women because those guys are so logical. One of the most basic foundations of game is understanding that women are emotional but analytical guys sometimes forget this concept and this thread has some proof of that.

I don't read the ROK website but I wasn't surprised when I viewed David's articles and so many of them were about SJWs and feminism. I could never write exclusively about those topics. I would have to write 10 articles on self-improvement for every 1 article about SJWs or feminism in order to keep my mindset positive.

[tremont]

EE girls are terrible. Beautiful but the majority are gold diggers and don't have an ounce of integrity. Lieing, cheating, and stealing is a fundamental core part of the culture over there.

I don't know why so many guys on here look at that part of the world as the gold standard of women. I made the mistake of wifing one and that was a huge disaster which I'm still paying for and will continue for many years. I'll never take any EE woman seriously again.

[MongolianAbroad]

(02-27-2017 12:34 AM)tremont Wrote:  

EE girls are terrible. Beautiful but the majority are gold diggers and don't have an ounce of integrity. Lieing, cheating, and stealing is a fundamental core part of the culture over there.

I don't know why so many guys on here look at that part of the world as the gold standard of women. I made the mistake of wifing one and that was a huge disaster which I'm still paying for and will continue for many years. I'll never take any EE woman seriously again.

So what's the story, Tremont?

Maybe it can serve as a lesson for the younger guys reading this.

[tremont]

(02-27-2017 02:13 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

So what's the story, Tremont?

I don't want to get into all of the details of my personal life but I will describe some of it. She was Ukrainian, a solid 9 (or even a 10 for some tastes). Beautiful face, great body. Ostensibly educated (only superficially as I learned later) and fun to be with. While I met her in the states, she was not raised here and had only been in America for a few years.

I stole her from a legion of wealthy betas who were trying to wine and dine her with gifts, restaurants, and trips. I did none of that, just my own standard game, fun, sex, and romance.

It was fine early on. The warning signs were there but I was too young and stupid to see them. Being full of pride in my victory of making this girl fall in "love" with me made it worse. She was starting her 30's and badly wanted a baby. We were married and pregnant fast.

During the marriage money was always a big problem. Later on I was working in the financial sector and was making good money, but no matter how much I made we were always broke because she could not stop loading up the credit cards. While I was at work she was sitting home with the kid bored, shopping online. Buying stuff for herself and buying too many toys and other shit for our kid that he doesn't need.

She goes through life assuming that everyone, especially men are supposed to take care of her needs, able and willing to buy her whatever she wants, while simultaneously also being home at 5pm every day. If I can't afford to pay for something she wants, its my problem not hers.

She was also very controlling. She tried to keep me away from my family and tried to get rid of all of my pets. I kept one of them only after fighting tooth and nail with her over it.

She was also constantly complaining about being a stay at home mom because I couldn't afford a nanny. At the same time, she was always dodging my constant suggestions to go and work or go to school or do something with her life. Despite the financial constraints, I saw absolutely no reason why she should have child care if shes sitting home doing nothing.

The main problem was a complete lack of ability to communicate or understand how to solve problems or make compromises. This was BPD to the max. Whenever there is a disagreement, her style of resolution is screaming at you and tormenting you with emotionally charged nonsense until you just can't take it anymore and give in to her demands. Saying that something she wants is "for our son" or "for our family" was one of her favorites.

When I would try to get away from her she would follow me around the house and continue screaming. There were several times I lost it and got so close to physically beating her that I had to get out the house and go sit somewhere outside for a few hours to cool off. One time I actually did smack her in the face, only after she used our infant son in the stroller as a projectile out in the street during an argument.

Throughout the whole marriage I never gave her access to my primary bank account because I never quite trusted her. I was always afraid she would spend it all, or at least if she knew I had any savings she would start yelling and tormenting me until I gave in spent it on something. Of all the dumb mistakes I made back then, that was really smart. Unfortunately it didn't matter much, because with the invention of credit cards its virtually impossible to reign in a spouse with poor spending habits.

Even now after divorce, shes still making non-sense threats and trying to get money out of me at every turn. Its better now of course, because our assets are separate and I have legal rights to see my child.

I also remember a good friend of hers, russian girl with a husband and 1 kid. Every time I met that family all the husband talked about was how miserable he was. He was completely lacking in all ambition and drive, as if sleepwalking through life. His wife ran the household, paid the bills, and whenever she was a little bit upset about anything he was her on call emotional punching bag.

Now I'm not saying all EE girls are as bad my ex. She was above and beyond terrible. But from her, her mother, and her friends I see the following patterns:

* Huge focus on money and material things. My money is my money and your money is mine also.
* A pattern of domesticating and emasculating their men. They want to find a guy they can totally control. Since I'm not that push over guy, we were fighting constantly.
* A general cold calculating manipulative style of interacting with people. In the sense that others are just tools for your own ends. Goes back to the lack of integrity comment I made before.

[david.garrett84]

(02-26-2017 11:13 AM)birthday cat Wrote:  

Conscientiousness is a personality trait used in the Five Factor Model as well as other personality theories. Some of the positive attributes correlated with conscientiousness people are that they are usually realistic, detail-oriented, accurate or precise, responsible, and they follow through on their commitments.

Of course there can also be negative attributes. Conscientiousness people can be very analytical which can sometimes go too far where they over-complicate things. Their focus on accuracy and precision can lead to black-and-white thinking which can sometimes go too far where they view relationships or agreements from a standpoint of someone must win and someone must lose, rather than understanding that it's possible for everyone to win. Also, conscientiousness people sometimes focus more on the negative aspects of situations or people, and have difficulty seeing the positive aspects. I am not surprised when I see a lot of conscientiousness attributes from manosphere writers who write about SJWs, feminism, and all the things that are wrong with women.

Conscientiousness people have a unique relationship with criticism. They are very critical of both other people and themselves. However, criticism is their biggest fear. Despite their high levels of realism, precision, and being critical of others; they can quickly rationalize away any criticism of themselves because they have difficulty in accepting criticism.

The one thing that really jumps out at me in this thread is the winning-versus-losing aspect of relationships instead of focusing on everyone winning. David has probably made a dozen statements that demonstrate this mindset including several comments about how the girl spent $8000 on the relationship which is more than her father makes in a year and seems to be about what she makes in 1.5 years based on her pay of $2 to $3 per hour.

I would be concerned about this if I was David because this winning-versus-losing approach is unlikely to lead to successful LTRs. It may seem like he has "won" because the relationship was very one-sided. She did all the cooking and cleaning, she was somewhat of a secretary for him, she spent a lot of her money on the relationship, and he cheated on her even though she lost her virginity to him. However, these things are what made her unhappy and eventually led to the end of the relationship.

If I was in this situation, I would forget about the money unless it was a large amount like a couple thousand dollars. David might be “right” because he has a legal contract but the perspective of the girl and her family and friends is that she got a bad deal out of this relationship so they don't care about the contract.

You can only push things so far with things like calling someone's employer and family members. Keep doing things like that and eventually a male relative, new boyfriend, or white-knight is going to get annoyed with your antics especially if they know you took her virginity and cheated on her. You might get your money but the next day you might slip and fall down a flight of stairs or get your legs broken by a couple of guys robbing you for the $20 in your wallet. I don't know if David's situation is close to that point but it would need to be a lot of money for me to go through the hassle of dealing with all these people.

If I was in a situation like this (which I have been) and if I had a high degree of conscientiousness (which I do) then I would use this situation as an opportunity to understand my own personality, what makes me happy, and what makes the people around me happy. I would also consider my level of game and what more I needed to learn about game. Analytical guys tend to have a hard time relating to women because those guys are so logical. One of the most basic foundations of game is understanding that women are emotional but analytical guys sometimes forget this concept and this thread has some proof of that.

I don't read the ROK website but I wasn't surprised when I viewed David's articles and so many of them were about SJWs and feminism. I could never write exclusively about those topics. I would have to write 10 articles on self-improvement for every 1 article about SJWs or feminism in order to keep my mindset positive.

I'm time poor at the moment, so I'll start with a brief response (briefer than I intended) to birthday cat. I'll continue the rest later.

On this forum, we should challenge each other. There's no question about that. Though we all have the same basic philosophy, differences of opinion, most notably as they relate to specific situations, are not only natural but also advisable if we wish to improve ourselves. But birthday cat, conflating this experience I have shared with my ROK work is over-analysis to the max.

Since August 2015 and the dramas in Canada with Roosh, a substantial proportion of my SJW articles have been assigned reporter pieces. A few others, like the ones I have done on Fairfax Media, have been longer-term responses to their lies about us and by extension the RVF community.

I'm also the Senior News Reporter for Return Of Kings, just as Larsen Halleck is our fitness guru and Troy Francis largely does game.

Even before this (and a development which made Roosh and ROK a target), ROK had made a marked shift to political and social commentary, expanding the previous coverage. I have only written for ROK for a part of its history, just over two years, but the focus has evolved.

As for the negativity from writing about these things, I don't really feel it. Of course, I want to see society improve, but I can look at the current situation squarely. I had a background in the classics, including philosophers such as Seneca and Marcus Aurelius. I'm a happy, mild pessimist, even amidst the SJW madness.

[MongolianAbroad]

(02-27-2017 08:32 PM)tremont Wrote:  

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Thanks, Tremont.

It's interesting how in our youth, we're taught that monsters have jagged teeth, gaping maws, and scaly skin, but in reality, they often have perfect teeth, beautiful lips, and smooth skin. We're told they hide under our beds at night, but in reality, they may end up in our beds, right beside us.

We grow up and start thinking monsters don't really exist.

But they do.

That was a brutal read, man, but I'm sure it'll help some of the younger guys.

Good luck, and keep your eyes wide open next time.

[birthday cat]

(02-27-2017 09:06 PM)david.garrett84 Wrote:  

I'm time poor at the moment, so I'll start with a brief response (briefer than I intended) to birthday cat. I'll continue the rest later.

On this forum, we should challenge each other. There's no question about that. Though we all have the same basic philosophy, differences of opinion, most notably as they relate to specific situations, are not only natural but also advisable if we wish to improve ourselves. But birthday cat, conflating this experience I have shared with my ROK work is over-analysis to the max.

...

It's possible that your negativity towards Krystyna in this thread and the negative topics of your ROK writing are unrelated. I could be wrong about that but that wasn't the primary message of my post. The more important point I was making is that you should understand both the positive and negative attributes of the conscientiousness personality trait. You and I both have a high degree of that trait. It can be very helpful for people like us to understand how that trait can work against us in some situations.