[pipe]

I've never asked for a game advice online before, but I'm so lost in this situation that I'll give it a shot -

Through an online app, I met up with a Russian tourist in my country.
My Russian is average and that's how we communicated.
We slept on the first time and I really fell for her (usually I wouldn't give a $%*).

She left my country about 5 days later, and made up excuses that she don't have time to meet again (she was here with another girl friend).

I still texted her because she told me she plan to come back again soon.
The communication started to decline, as often she wouldn't reply.

About a month later, she decide to come back here, and I found out about it by incident. the communication got better right when she landed (came with a friend another time), but she ignored me again for a whole week when I asked to meet her again (she said she wants to the first night she was here, but the day after she ignored me).

I know she was seeing at least another guy, at least once, during this time (one day after she landed), and that they double dated with her friend and his friend, and I also saw her again on that online app.

I tried calling her again (usually she wouldn't answer my calls) about a week after she landed here, and suddenly she answered, and I told her I wanna get to know her better, and after an hour she asked me if I can help her find some shop.

I went to pick her up, we hung out for 4 hours, held hands the whole time, I bought her lunch, and she took photos with me (her imitative), let me put my arms around her, and we also kissed.

In the next 3 nights she got cold once again, and each time I asked her out she told me she either can't or simply ignored me, and I know that they double dated again with those guys, though on our second date she brought up the fact that she has a friend here (she meant that guy) and immediately mentioned that they don't sleep together. don't know if I believe it.

Now I don't know what to do. When I tried ask her out in the night she ignored me, but she did react when I suggested we go again to buy something at that store (because she didn't finish).

I've also suggested during out meeting that we will go together for some excursion, and I'm thinking about bringing it up again, but not sure how she'll react.

What moves should I try to make next?
It's clear to her that I'm willing to invest time and money, but it looks like she always puts me as her last priority.

- I guess I shouldn't tell her on text that I really like her, she already understand that anyway

- I'm not sure if I should suggest her to double date with a friend of mine (double dates never work for me, as there's no isolation, and I'm afraid it will just worse things)

- If I try calling rather than text she might decline the call right away, and she's always pretty cold on the phone.

- Should I tell her something like - "I know you like me too, we had fun together the last time, when do we do it again?"

Only in reality she is really warm and nice, but it seems like she's very discrete about what she does here.

[Warraghiyagey]

You are her last priority. Read what you wrote from a third person point of view......

[pipe]

I realize it, the question is what could be the best thing to try that could me go up

[crudeloyalist]

(05-16-2012 07:53 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

The members of this forum believe in a model of abundance. We consider it a waste of time to get needy with one girl who in all likelihood doesn't hold you in a positive light because of the poor game you already used on her. Once you mess up with a girl, it is almost impossible for her to change her opinion of you, no matter how good you eventually may get. In other words, if you have zero game, we don't want to hear your sob story of some girl who only wants to be friends with you. Game is about banging a lot of new girls, not one girl is 100% sure she doesn't want to bang you.

[pipe]

Well, our second meeting was romantic, we did kiss several times, so I don't see how this is considered wanting to be friends only.
She's over a 9, so I just don't care about new girls, I did try to think about other girls, but she outshines 99% of them, I can't really get her out of my mind.
I have enough experience to realize that I care more about quality, rather than quantity, and I don't see why quality related question isn't considered a game question.

[Resolute]

I'm just waiting for all of the "Nexting is a bad strategy/advice" guys to come crashing into this thread.....

[Rocha]

Next. Poka, do svydanya.

[Resolute]

Move on man.

Reasons why it's over:

- You caught feelings for a chick who was passing through after the first date. Remember Ted from "How I Met Your Mother", who blurted out "I love you" on the first date with Robin? That's you.

- This chick lives in Russia, you don't.

- You're nothing more than a spinning plate to her.

- She has more game than you.

- You're entirely too dependent on this particular girls validation.

- She's not a 9, I guarantee it.

- This girl is not quality. She's a slut who's banging random guys as soon as she leaves the airplane. I would bet my left testicle she's not as hot as you think she is (your pedalizing the pussy) and even if she was, she's still a slut.

- You're obsessed with her and she knows it.

- You don't have enough game to keep her around anyways.


All that said, welcome to the forum. (I know you registered a while ago, but this is your first post, and you obviously haven't figured out how things work here yet) Read through the "Game" section of the forum, and next time you post a question, please remember to post in the "Newbie" section of the forum, that's where this post belongs.

Best of luck!

[LINUX]

Sounds completely normal to me. She's on a different path than you. Settling down isn't her priority right now or she just isn't attracted enough to you to entertain the thought.

Yeah, you're being a bit needy but whatever, when you really like someone, it's easy to lower those walls. That's the whole point of love or the bi-product of oxytocin and vasopressin, however you want to view it. Vulnerability.

If you are hitting the gym like you should, you'll notice that you attract hotter and hotter women every year and the women attract uglier and uglier guys as they lose their femininity and begin to age. You have the upper hand, not her.

Understand life is a collection of choices and mistakes. Sitting on the dock with a cane pole or going out to the sea like an old man looking for the big fish isn't the best way to go about this. Sometimes it's best to run trotline and go have a few beers in the sun and come back the next morning.

You have to accept our way of love, sex, and availability has changed. If you don't you're going to go crazy and walk round depressed all the time searching for your magic sheltered virgin . The strongest doesn't survive in life, those who adapt survive. You need to adapt to the idea that people are emotional creatures and feelings and priorities change overtime, and right now you and her on different levels. But life moves on. Doesn't mean you're messed up or she is messed up. Just means you need to let time do it's job, which in this case, is moving on and checking the trotline to see what else is on your hook and hoping for someone with a big ass.

Goodluck

[Serious Sam]

(02-03-2017 11:46 AM)pipe Wrote:  

I tried calling her again (usually she wouldn't answer my calls) about a week after she landed here, and suddenly she answered, and I told her I wanna get to know her better, and after an hour she asked me if I can help her find some shop.

I went to pick her up, we hung out for 4 hours, held hands the whole time, I bought her lunch, and she took photos with me (her imitative), let me put my arms around her, and we also kissed.

Quote:

Now I don't know what to do. When I tried ask her out in the night she ignored me, but she did react when I suggested we go again to buy something at that store (because she didn't finish).

Quote:

It's clear to her that I'm willing to invest time and money, but it looks like she always puts me as her last priority.

The parts in bold explain to me exactly why she still gives you the time of day. You are a credit card for her to swipe. Her hand-holding and kisses were the small price she had to pay to keep you on the hook.

Also, you are way too needy. You mentioned how you called and texted and she ignored you countless times. Tone that shit down.

As it stands, though, she's more interested in meeting other guys, or hanging with that one guy, than she is in you. There is no problem with going for quality over quantity, but quit pedestalizing. I don't think you're digging out of this hole. Chalk it up as a lesson learned.

[kaotic]

(02-03-2017 12:52 PM)pipe Wrote:  

Well, our second meeting was romantic, we did kiss several times, so I don't see how this is considered wanting to be friends only.
She's over a 9, so I just don't care about new girls, I did try to think about other girls, but she outshines 99% of them, I can't really get her out of my mind.
I have enough experience to realize that I care more about quality, rather than quantity, and I don't see why quality related question isn't considered a game question.

Dude you're sitting on the bench while the other guys are on the playing field.

I don't care she's over a 9, and you should be gaming other girls.

You're putting one pussy on the pedestal.

Show me a 9 and I'll show you a guy who got sick of her shit and pumped and dumped her.

She takes a shit just like the rest of the girls out there - question is do you have enough value in her eyes to let you stick it in her ass.

Survey says.....nope.


Move on.

[pipe]

Everything you guys say makes sense, and I did pretty much realized it, I just need to point that especially on Russian women, one always needs to spend some money, and as long as there's a chance for sex (which we already had once), I'm down for it.

Also, she's def. a 9 (perfect body head to toe), and that's the only reason I've ended up pedestalizing her, it's just too rare for me to hook up with a 9, and our encounter just made me realize how shallow and empty it feels like to waste time on anything less than a 9.

I kept on messaging her because most hot girls have a lot of guys after them, so playing the silent game for too long never works well, at least not for me.

Right now it feels like the only way I can try to get over her is to find another 9, which is pretty impossible, at least in the short term.

I do ask myself though, to what extent is it possible that the fact that she's traveling with another girl is affecting her connection with me?
that girl is her best friend, and meeting with me means leaving her girl by her own, so maybe she has bad influence on the situation?

[kaotic]

You already fucked her, you won.

You aren't locking a chick like that down, it's clear she isn't interested.

Yes you should always aim for the hottest girls possible, BUT there are PLENTY of other girls who are 7 or 8's who will show you more interest.

If you keep on messaging her and she isn't responding, then get the hint and move on.

She's traveling with another girl and they're hopping on dicks as they travel, that's what girls do.

Girls stick together, so yeah she'll probably bail on you to go on double dates.



You aren't getting it, IT'S OVER.


You're fantasizing dating her, when in reality it was probably a ONS and she's onto the next dick.


Remember, you never own that pussy, it's just your turn.

[Resolute]

First off, one does not "always" need to do anything for any nationality. ESPECIALLY when said person is a tourist in ones home country.

Second, your "how shallow and empty it feels to waste time on anything less than a 9" is just so full of irony I have to laugh....Beauty is only skin deep. I love fucking hot girls as much as the next guy, but if fucking a girl with a personality who is a 7 makes you feel more shallow than fucking a 9 who treats you like shit, you have some issues.....

Third, you obviously do NOT have the required game to get/keep a 9. You lucked out with this girl, due to the following facts:

1. She was a tourist looking for no-strings attached sex.
2. You gave her cash and prizes for spending time with you.
3. You happened to be able to speak with her in her own language, which is what got your foot in the door in the first place.

In other words, without the above 3 things, you would never have gotten close to banging this girl. Sorry, but those are the facts of life.

Forth: You don't understand the difference between persistence and neediness. Hint: Often it comes down to your intention. If you are emotionally attached to her, it's neediness 99% of the time, not persistence.

Fifth: You need to learn what "quality" consists of. Looks are not everything. Once you bang another dozen women, you'll figure that out.

As for your last question: You're really over-analyzing it. The girlfriend has NOTHING to do with her attraction to you. Your bad game is ENTIRELY to blame for her lack of success.

[pipe]

On our first encounter I actually didn't spend more than $5 on her, just had a pizza and then straight to my place, so my game isn't that bad isn't it?
In fact I was worried that the lack of investment made her feel bad afterwards, so that motivated me to show her I don't mind spending as well.

And yes, I do have issues with attraction to these type of "bad-bitches" rather than to "good girls", I know that's fucked up and kinda self-destructive.

I guess my goal is just to bang her at least once more for my ego and that's it, and then I'll feel better about the whole thing.

[Resolute]

Again, stop over-analyzing.

Stop making plans to see this girl again. You fucked up, and she's not worth the effort. Instead, improve your game by fucking 3 new girls.

[kaotic]

Pulling a 9 on pizza on $5 and getting the bang is great.

What your problem here is your EGO.

Who gives a shit if she felt bad, you banged her, you won.

What you should be doing is having fun with her, on $5 or $100.

Your ego got in the way and and you went out of your way to play the big baller guy.


You basically simped after you banged, there is no reason for that.


Sometimes you'll NEVER bang the same girl again, shit happens, it's happened to me, move on dude, you're hung up on this pussy.

[Nordwand]

This woman's ability to manipulate you is beyond your handling. Cut and run before you get played further, and begin to sustain losses, financial or otherwise.

[pipe]

I guess a major part of the problem is me looking for validation from a 9.
Yeah I felt great the day after we slept, but as time passed and I realized I'm not getting the validation, I took it really hard.

With a 9 I can enjoy just looking at her naked body, while with a 8 or less I feel like getting rid of her right after the sex.

[Mufasa]

(02-03-2017 11:46 AM)pipe Wrote:  

We slept on the first time and I really fell for her (usually I wouldn't give a $%*).

...yea I'm suspect about OP..

[kaotic]

Yep

[jselysianeagle]

Don't sweat it, OP. It happens to just about every guy at least once. You've gotten great advice in this thread.

Definitely move on from her - as hot as you think she was, in time you'll find someone just as hot or even hotter.

Live and learn!

[Resolute]

(02-03-2017 03:01 PM)pipe Wrote:  

With a 9 I can enjoy just looking at her naked body, while with a 8 or less I feel like getting rid of her right after the sex.

A guy with your game is disgusted with 8's right after sex?



The only question I have is: Why wait 6 months with your sleeper account to start trolling?

[RatInTheWoods]

Sometimes you are in the right place at the right time to bang well above your SMV,

You want to believe you belong in that bracket, but shes telling you thats not the case.

Go bang them 6-8s - they need loving too.

[pipe]

(02-04-2017 12:40 AM)Resolute Wrote:  

(02-03-2017 03:01 PM)pipe Wrote:  

With a 9 I can enjoy just looking at her naked body, while with a 8 or less I feel like getting rid of her right after the sex.

A guy with your game is disgusted with 8's right after sex?



The only question I have is: Why wait 6 months with your sleeper account to start trolling?

Not disgusted, just often feel like it was meaningless, Maybe because I'm starting to feel like I'll be better off with a real relationship, but one that will excite me, rather than keep chasing new tail every week.

Not sure why you're so full of spite, but please excuse me if I wouldn't assume that you're gaming 9's and 10's on a daily basis at your home country, considering that you chose to set foot in the Philippines out of all countries.