[The Catalyst]

It's been like this throughout my life but recently it's becoming more certain. By connect, I mean I don't feel like I can identify with the unwashed masses, nor do I feel like people can truly understand me. I don't think I've had a close friend in a long time.

By self improvement I mean game, weights(calisthenics), style, that sort of thing. It's not really something that happens in the mainstream anywhere but it's rather bad in NZ. I don't feel that unless you're a gymbro and into weights or a fag/hipster and into style that you can really identify with anyone.

In terms of politics, I mean how everyone is either very neutral or anti-Trump, for instance. Or they repeat insane left wing progressive talking points, especially about refugees and other SJW babble like gender equality and homosexuality acceptance(to say nothing of tranny acceptance and the like).

Those two alone isn't a big deal though. I can probably connect with someone cool who otherwise is too lazy(or "chill") to self improve and also is neutral politically, but is interesting to get to know nonetheless. But I feel the dominant culture in NZ at least is simply work, mindless social circle, mindless weekend drinking/"partying"(but there's nothing interesting about it- just hanging around being drunk), rinse and repeat. I feel there's something more to life, like either achieving something with your work or hobbies or going on adventures or doing something cool. But it doesn't seem like everyone else cares about those things.

I wonder if there's more a problem with society in general or with me, and am curious about other forum members' experiences.

[YoungBlade]

Find a social hobby and stick with it: going to the gun range, tabletop roleplaying (hint hint thread-55269.html), running clubs, dance lessons, etc. Find something you and others can enjoy together, then you will connect on that level, and likely many others the deeper you connect.

Birds of a feather flock together.

[R_Niko]

I got into jiujitsu in my mid-20s and it got me through a lot of shit. I burned off energy, killed dull evenings, built new skills, made new friends, earned real accomplishments (belts and medals), and had another interesting thing to talk about. One of the best things I've ever done.

[ivansirko]

I ride a motorcycle. That is the greatest way to disconnect from the hamster society.

All other suggestions are pretty good as well.

[wi30]

It's just a phase. I went though a bit of an anger/detached phase when swallowing the red pill. You'll get over it and learn to laugh at the ridiculousness of the left.

Find a hobby that surrounds you with people you can to relate to and have either consciously or unconsciously taken the red pill. Masculine hobbies are your best bet. And also try to meet up with other forum members. This forum is a great place to make new friends.

[IvanDrago]

(01-30-2017 07:45 PM)wi30 Wrote:  

It's just a phase. I went though a bit of an anger/detached phase when swallowing the red pill. You'll get over it and learn to laugh at the ridiculousness of the left.

And you will feel even better after that and can learn to laugh at the ridiculousness of the right too. And even better still when you can learn to laugh at people who group people in only two categories such as left and right.

[Captain Gh]

No worries mate you're just in that "Red Pill" Rage moment where you simply don't get how can anyone cannot see the obvious & how it's destroying our society! Until you feel that way: 1) Don't make any rash decisions on your career (if you work in some type of 9 to 5 office job & don't open your mouth if you're employed by a corporation.

Your emotions are quite high right now, so a career change to a more "Red Pill" field will probably not work if you're doint it to escape the "Blue Pill" world instead of desiring this line of work (I've done this mistake... and blew 10K cause of it!) You're emotions are quite high right now... but don't put in jeopardy how you put your Chicken Breast on the table! Down the line, your Red Pill view + a nice physique + charisma will get you really really far too!

[John Michael Kane]

Don't hyper-saturate yourself with information. Much of ingesting the red pill is a very bitter process. It is best to focus not too much on feminists, SJW's, etc to the point that it wears you down mentally. Take a break from the internet, hit the gym, make some new friends at the gun range. Stay active and forge friendships with men of similar background. Many of them are just waiting for someone to red pill them. Do it slowly and small dosages. That's the best way for you to win people over and make new friends.

[MOVSM]

(01-30-2017 08:06 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

Don't hyper-saturate yourself with information. Much of ingesting the red pill is a very bitter process. It is best to focus not too much on feminists, SJW's, etc to the point that it wears you down mentally. Take a break from the internet, hit the gym, make some new friends at the gun range. Stay active and forge friendships with men of similar background. Many of them are just waiting for someone to red pill them. Do it slowly and small dosages. That's the best way for you to win people over and make new friends.

Ain't that the truth.
You can always get yourself a new hobby (shooting etc.) and make new friends.

[John Michael Kane]

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[wi30]

(01-30-2017 07:49 PM)IvanDrago Wrote:  

And you will feel even better after that and can learn to laugh at the ridiculousness of the right too. And even better still when you can learn to laugh at people who group people in only two categories such as left and right.

My comment was in response to this:

(01-30-2017 06:39 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

In terms of politics, I mean how everyone is either very neutral or anti-Trump, for instance. Or they repeat insane left wing progressive talking points, especially about refugees and other SJW babble like gender equality and homosexuality acceptance(to say nothing of tranny acceptance and the like).

I'm not sure how you came up with thinking I believe in a binary political spectrum from something as vague as my comment.

[Crisp]

Travel

Just a guess that you're young and I don't know if you've ever left NZ, but visit somewhere new. Shake things up a bit. Researching a location and planning the trip will also be a distraction from politics and people around you.

[The Catalyst]

(01-30-2017 09:23 PM)Crisp Wrote:  

Travel

Just a guess that you're young and I don't know if you've ever left NZ, but visit somewhere new. Shake things up a bit. Researching a location and planning the trip will also be a distraction from politics and people around you.

That's the long term plan. I probably want to save enough to visit EE. In the meantime I'll work on looking into hobbies.

[Glaucon]

Hiking in the mountains, biking and generally being in nature helped me the most.

[LeoneVolpe]

(01-30-2017 08:06 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

Don't hyper-saturate yourself with information. Much of ingesting the red pill is a very bitter process. It is best to focus not too much on feminists, SJW's, etc to the point that it wears you down mentally. Take a break from the internet, hit the gym, make some new friends at the gun range. Stay active and forge friendships with men of similar background. Many of them are just waiting for someone to red pill them. Do it slowly and small dosages. That's the best way for you to win people over and make new friends.

^ Agreed.

I doubt if humans were ever intended to really connect with society-at-large anyway. OP, don't focus on a macro connection, start on a micro level -- find or create a small tribe, a trusted inner circle of people who share your values and beliefs. I could be wrong on this, but I think you'll find it isn't the quantity of people you come into contact with that matters, it's the quality.

[The Catalyst]

(01-31-2017 12:18 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

I doubt if humans were ever intended to really connect with society-at-large anyway. Don't focus on a macro connection, start on a micro level -- find or create a small tribe, a trusted inner circle of people who share your values and beliefs. I could be wrong on this, but I think you'll find it isn't the quantity of people you come into contact with that matters, it's the quality.

I think I phrased it wrong. By society I meant individuals within society. That's the thing- I don't feel hopeful I could actually have a trusted inner circle/tribe because I have to keep my worldview on the downlow.

[LeoneVolpe]

Not sure where you're located, but perhaps you could attend an RVF meetup sometime. You'd certainly be among good company and not have to worry about being politically incorrect, that's for sure.

[Paracelsus]

OP, the surest cure for your condition is to read a few of Kona's posts.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Are you in a progressive city?

Can you move?

I live out in the sticks and although it's inconvenient at times, I sure as hell don't have to worry about misgendering anyone.

[Easy_C]

It's a phase. Keep in mind that much of the stupidity(both blue pill and the crazier right wing elements) are that way because they live too much on internet and television.

Get off the web and spend some time around real people. We're ALL nuts, just most are less so off the internet. Look for people who don't follow the herd but are still successful. Some groups have already been mentioned. My favorite environments are bikers, boxing gyms, etc......just get away from social groups that exist only to consume and are unites by shares, masculine interests.

[easternwomenrule]

It's easier to talk about it in an Eastern country hence why I try to stay as much time in the East as possible! I feel like i'm in a mental institution when I'm back in Australia! Its sad every year coming back and seeing a country you grew up in go more and more down the shit hole! Everywhere I shop now in the last 4 months, I see tattoos on women everywhere... If it's not fat women everywhere, they now come with tattoos where it's horrible this time of the year cause its Summer!

If I meet someone from an Eastern country while I'm back in Australia, I find it's easier to talk Red Pill cause they grew up in a normal country (muscular men/feminine women). It's very hard to find red pill friends (I was so looking forward to the meetups last year ) where I find it easier talking about Trumps now in my labouring jobs! I have about 15 job agencies, if i'm sick of a job or the people, i just ring an agency up and work somewhere else. You don't get as many women in labouring jobs where it's just men being men which I love! I find about 10% of the jobs I work at, I met someone that heads over to SE Asia cause they are sick of the women here and are a little Red Pill.

Other than that... you always have this forum which is something I try to use to keep me sane while i'm back in the shitty Australia!

[blck]

(01-30-2017 06:39 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

It's been like this throughout my life but recently it's becoming more certain. By connect, I mean I don't feel like I can identify with the unwashed masses, nor do I feel like people can truly understand me.

That's the first news you have to deal with: "When You know How the magic trick works it's not magic anymore", you want to explain them they're being lead on like cow to the slaughterhouse with the music in background that make them move their head because it feel so good, make them see the tricks as you sees them but they'll resent you for this, stealing the magic from their eyes How will they enjoy it now...

(01-30-2017 06:39 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

I don't think I've had a close friend in a long time.

You surely have but you'll have to go back in your past looking for friends you trully bonded with over real things from real life not bullshit ass malarkeys... (I get this from my own experience)

(01-30-2017 06:39 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

In terms of politics, I mean how everyone is either very neutral or anti-Trump, for instance. Or they repeat insane left wing progressive talking points, especially about refugees and other SJW babble like gender equality and homosexuality acceptance(to say nothing of tranny acceptance and the like).

Never engage in discussion about Politics or Religion as people will surely have differents views than yours and will not see you the same after that...

(01-30-2017 06:39 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

Those two alone isn't a big deal though. I can probably connect with someone cool who otherwise is too lazy(or "chill") to self improve and also is neutral politically, but is interesting to get to know nonetheless. But I feel the dominant culture in NZ at least is simply work, mindless social circle, mindless weekend drinking/"partying"(but there's nothing interesting about it- just hanging around being drunk), rinse and repeat. I feel there's something more to life, like either achieving something with your work or hobbies or going on adventures or doing something cool. But it doesn't seem like everyone else cares about those things.

I wonder if there's more a problem with society in general or with me, and am curious about other forum members' experiences.

You might find your way by becoming an entreupreneur, investing in a relationship that will last, go further and higher that's what I mean, the reward will be greater the harder the task will be...
As a 9-5 employe I see some of my collegues being independants and getting paid greats amount and leak some of that money into buying appartments and what not...
That is the way... at least for me...

I'll post a this here

(08-25-2013 02:09 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

As you digest the red pill, you'll start to see all the games that people play.

Communication that doesn't communicate.
Telling omissions.
Slights, tiffs, spats....
Word choice
Tone
Mood
Pacing
et cetera

And it will be all over.
Office memos and directives.
Advertising
Movies
Relationships with your friends and family

You're going to get to the point where if you start to act on what you see, you're going to disrupt the social fabric that you live in.

Suddenly your mom can't manipulate you anymore.
Suddenly when your boss says we, she actually just means you, and you're going to correct her.
Your homeboys want to go to that same wack ass bar with the cheap beer, and they drive instead of you....

There's going to be 3 temptations, 3 choices...

1) stay quiet and only use your red pill knowledge with new chicks and new people (most common)

2) play the game - push back when you can, 48 laws of power type stuff (2nd most common)

3) flip the chess board over and scatter the pieces (road less traveled)

What sounds appealing?

WIA

[The Catalyst]

A bit of a mild update on the OP.

I have strong reason to believe it's NZ which is(mainly) the problem. Of course, I could be biased and have false hope, that in reality everywhere's the same, but I have good reasoning. I have a few foreign friends and they make similar observations to how boring and unkind NZ culture is. There's a site which details the horrors of people who've immigrated to NZ with shock at how bad it is(how expensive, low wages, boring people[anti intellectualism, no desire to achieve], near third world housing etc). Also I've watched Americans and Europeans on youtube, they seem to be interesting and I'd love to hang around them, despite my strong introversion. I would link my American friends those youtube videos, and they would say those people are nothing special. But I feel I wouldn't be bored around them while I'm very bored around Kiwis.

My long term plan is to leave NZ completely. However, I'm living with my parents atm and they pay for everything right now, so I have to save up and get independent enough to leave and survive on my own.

In the meantime, I have to look on the bright side and make the most of what I've got. There are two extremes which I can't realistically do long term. On one hand, I could go full introvert and only do the things *I* really want to do. However this means no one else would want to do them(Kiwis are very different to me and to "normal" people, and very boring). However humans are social creatures and I can't go longer than a week or two without going somewhat insane, despite my strong introversion.

On the other hand, I've tried hanging out in bars and stuff and meetups with majority kiwi people. Often, I've tug along with acquaintances to their birthday parties/friends' birthday parties/get togethers etc. I've come to realise that I would get bored as hell quite quickly. I would keep positive because that's the socially intelligent thing to do but I certainly can't do this long term, my resentment at my boredom and the feeling that "surely these people can talk about/do more interesting things than that" would create a bad feedback loop inside my head that would create some misery.

The solution which I'm trying right now is a mix. I won't bother doing everything I completely want to do, that's just way too different from everyone else. I'm decently different from people in general, and downright different from Kiwis who are boring as hell. That would just doom me to doing everything solo, when I just need that social connection. On the other hand, I won't go out of my way to break into Kiwi social circles or do what they do. I just have to do something in between, focus on something I somewhat like which Kiwis often do/somewhat like too. This often means having to be more "mainstream" in a sense or just mimicking Kiwi behavior. I'd been trying out a couple of different classes/hobbies, they didn't work as well as I planned but I'll just keep going and doing new things.

[CynicalContrarian]

^
How far are you from Queenstown?
Bloody expensive to live there I know, yet when my Aus. friend & I visited; due to the no. of tourists & backpackers living & working there, it became a game of spot the Kiwi.
Might be a brief & close by respite for you to visit.

Otherwise, Aus. is only a three hour plane flight. Save up your coin, check out Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane & the Gold Coast.
See how you fair in those cities.

[The Catalyst]

(05-08-2017 11:56 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

^
How far are you from Queenstown?
Bloody expensive to live there I know, yet when my Aus. friend & I visited; due to the no. of tourists & backpackers living & working there, it became a game of spot the Kiwi.
Might be a brief & close by respite for you to visit.

Otherwise, Aus. is only a three hour plane flight. Save up your coin, check out Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane & the Gold Coast.
See how you fair in those cities.

I'm in Auckland, it's decently far from QT. I might go for it one last time before I leave NZ for good but at the same time I don't feel I have to. I've been to visit Christchurch as well as road tripping up north and everywhere I've been was much shittier than Auck. Maybe I might go to Fiordland and Milford Sound but they look expensive-ish and not as good as everyone says, so I might not be keen to burn money as it's a distraction from my ultimate goal(leaving and enjoying my new place).

I do feel Aus is almost certainly significantly better than NZ but if I am going to be taking the plunge I might as well go straight to Europe(likely EE) or Asia or SA or perhaps even the US if possible.

My main priorities are interesting activities, interesting people(or at least warm and kind), and ease of gaming hot women(or at least mediocre). All of which NZ sorely lacks.