[nordicplayer]

So, I recently got back in to night game again. Also recently started a thread here on how my attemp at quiting nicotine made me not horny at all, and wasted a onenight stand.
I've been going to a bar 3 times now, and each time girls have come over to me. Hot girls. Each time I get into talking about workout and such, and they stick around. I nevnte seem to be able to get into flirting with them. I sorta feel like that's too simple for me, and a waste of time. So my question is, has anybody here after talking and drinking with a girl for some time, and everything is going well, asked them straight out if they would like to get fucked tonight?

[pheonix500000]

i could have sworn this was about muslim converts. my bad

[Cattle Rustler]

I could have sworn this was either Eliottt Rodgers or ISIS related.

[nordicplayer]

Haha. I migth add, a few years ago, a women 9 years older than me (I was 23). She came up to me, and asked me if I wanted to come home with her and fuck. We had never talked before or seen each other before.
I fucked the shit out of her that night, and in the morning.

[Investment Bro]

Asking a woman if she wants to get fucked straight up is something we men should never have to do for two reasons.

1: You should always be evaluating the body language and the emotional reponse of the women you are seducing. If you're constantly escalating and she isn't giving you resistance, you know the answer. Being able to read her like this implicitly demonstrates status and experience with women, which will go a long way in terms of elevating your value and reducing LMR. Which connects well to my next point...

2: Anything you say outright to a woman will be turned over in her head so many times that even she won't be able to figure out right side up from right side down. If you say outright "lets fuck" in the midst of seduction, her mind will spin, and in her rationalization process, she will attempt to qualify you in a totally different light than she was before, against standards that are far more strict. There is no plausible deniability here, which is your best friend during a seduction. Directly verbalizing your intent removes all of the mystique that enhances the seduction.

Now, keep in mind relative SMV applies here. If yours is comparatively much higher than hers, being so direct will have a higher chance of success than with women of comparable SMVs. That being said, even a high SMV man would be best served by not verbalizing so directly.

That being said, I have had women tell me straight up that they have wanted sex. I can't say I've ever been so forward though.

[Mufasa]

No. But a like investment bro said thats too direct and eliminates plausible deniability. I have a story of Kobe Bryant getting rejected for being that direct.

You're better off with something like "lets go" taking her hand and leading.

[PapayaTapper]

Youre essentially talking about the "Apocalytic Opener" Yes it can work

Here's Roissy's version (but there are others)

Quote:

Essentially, the Apocalypse Opener is three simple sentences. A description from the link above:

You rock up to a chick and, in a confident, level voice you say

“Hey, how’s it going.”

She will say

“Fine.”

You then say

“Cool. What are you doing later?”

She will say

“I’m not sure.”

You then say

“Do you want to come home with me?”

Then you hold.

Hold.

HOLD………………..

HOLD IT MY SON……………………..

HOLD THE FUCKING LINE………………

Boom. Makeout. [editor’s note: he means a makeout should be forthcoming, not that you should initiate a makeout]

So that’s all I had to memorize. “Hey, how you doing.” “Cool. What are you up to later?” “Do you want to come home with me?” Easy enough, but of course nothing is ever that simple. The real power of the opener resides in your confident body language, casual delivery, and most importantly how well you maintain state control after you say the final knockout line. Again, from the website link above:

The key to making it work is not how you say it, but what you do in the 30 seconds after it’s left your mouth.

Before I talk specifics, let’s state the single CARDINAL SIN of the Apocalypse, which is the ONLY THING that can blow you out.

NEVER BE WEIRD

That’s it. Don’t be weird. You have to deliver the opener deadpan. Like you are talking about the WEATHER. You are not making a BIG THING of it. You’re just ASKING.

You are not MOCKING. You are not JOKING. You are not TOO SERIOUS.

It is NOT PLAYFUL however – it is REAL.

You are REALLY ASKING HER.

If she says no – you only need ONE COMEBACK.

It is this:

“Ok.”

The key to making the Apocalypse Opener (“AO”) work seems to be that you are being sexually genuine without being sexually eager. That means: No creepiness, no giggling, no bashful smiling, no reneging after you’ve uttered the killer line, and no goofball backpedaling during that critical 30 second post-opener window. In sum: NO FEAR. I imagine if the girl reacted poorly, even angrily, to the AO most guys would be tempted to reassure her that it was just a joke.

He then goes on to explain that if she says “No” you just start talking about random shit like you would do with any girl you were being friendly with in a bar. He claims that 50% of the time, a girl who declines the AO will reengage you later in the night, as long as you handled the blowout with supreme nonchalance. He also makes the outlandish claim that the AO will “work” (that is, it will result in a same night lay) 40% of the time.

I had my doubts, so I decided to try it for myself and for the entertainment of you, my readers. The things I do for you people…

I went alone to a bar I don’t normally frequent. If I was going to risk getting a beer poured on my head, I didn’t want my buddies pointing and laughing at me and I didn’t want to cause trouble in a bar where I knew the staff. I decided to make my move before it got too late in the night and crowded with garrulous frat boys that my target could wave over in case the AO failed spectacularly. I also didn’t want to use it on very drunk girls. Almost any bold direct game will work to some degree on drunk chicks, and I wanted to test the AO without alcohol falsifying the result.

I, on the other hand, needed a couple of stiff drinks for this challenge. Although the AO sounds incredibly easy on paper, when you are standing there alone in a semi-crowded bar about to take your first steps toward your target, the lines you have practiced saying by yourself suddenly jam up in your throat. The AO is no ordinary opener; I was feeling intense apprehension the likes of which I hadn’t felt since I sat next to THE CUTEST GIRL IN THE WORLD in sixth grade English class and negged her pink backpack.

I walked up to her. I chose my target well. She was standing by the bar alone. I couldn’t see the AO working on girls in mixed sets. She was a solid 6, mid or late 20s, not GF worthy, but certainly lay worthy. There was no way I was ready to run the AO on a bonafide hottie.

“Hey, what’s up.”

She smiled. “Oh, not much. You?”

“I’m alright. You doing anything later?”

“Um… I dunno. Why?”

I focused hard on sounding casual. “Do you want to come home with me?”

After I said it, I felt a tremendous rush of adrenaline. I think I might have chubbed out a little, too. I kept my eyes locked on hers and a slight smile throughout. I made sure not to arch my eyebrows imploringly.

Her mouth hung open. At first she had a startled look, then amusement, then a darkening seriousness. She glanced down at her feet then back up at me.

“How many women has this worked on?”

“If you’d prefer not to, then that’s cool.”

“I just… I mean, it’s sort of OUT THERE, you know?”

I shrugged my shoulders. “Maybe compared to the average guy.”

“Well, um, I have to tell you I’m waiting for my boyfriend to arrive. So I’m flattered, but…”

“Ok, no problem. Catch you around.”

And with that I left the bar.

Apocalypse Opener: FAIL. But of course this was a sample set of one, so I won’t draw any conclusions about its efficacy or the adroitness of my delivery yet. She may have really been waiting for a boyfriend for all I knew.

I suspect the AO won’t work very well if you are an older man hitting on a much younger woman. Large age discrepancies need indirect game. This chick wasn’t much younger than me, but if she had been 19 I think my AO would have gone over like a lead balloon. I’m not a huge proponent of direct game, (and AO is about as direct as it gets), but in situations where you already communicate high sexual status through your looks and fashion sense, the AO will yield more success for you.

Since the AO has such potential for generating humorous and humiliating stories, I plan to purchase a small voice recorder that I will hide under my shirt when I do future AO attempts. Then I will post the audio on my blog for your edification. If you don’t hear any sound after I say the opener, that means I’m getting some.

[Vaun]

Or you can just get pitted

[Mufasa]

(04-09-2017 06:49 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Youre essentially talking about the "Apocalytic Opener" Yes it can work

Here's Roissy's version (but there are others)

Holy fuck I totally forgot about this!! Big ups PayayaTapper.
lol every time I see your user name I read it as PaypaTrapper

edit: tried to rep you. turns out I already have. thanks again homie

[PapayaTapper]

(04-09-2017 07:02 PM)Mufasa Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 06:49 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Youre essentially talking about the "Apocalytic Opener" Yes it can work

Here's Roissy's version (but there are others)

Holy fuck I totally forgot about this!! Big ups PayayaTapper.
lol every time I see your user name I read it as PaypaTrapper

edit: tried to rep you. turns out I already have. thanks again homie

You can't tap em if you dont trap em