[Samseau]

If someone cannot personally live out the philosophy they advocate for others, then they are dangerous hypocrites who must be exposed, ridiculed, and ostracized.

[Atlanta Man]

That initial report had an air of credibility, since the identities of Peinovich’s fellow “death panelists” on the podcast had been revealed earlier in the week. That doxxing was done by members of a rival website called 8chan, who attacked TRS for supporting the principle that non-Jewish white nationalists had common interests with extreme right-wing Israelis, which is anathema to hardcore neo-Nazis and anti-Semites.First the 8channers unmasked one of Peinovich’s colleagues, a University of Nebraska philosophy student who called himself “Ghoul,” and whose mother was revealed to be married to another woman. After that, 8channers and anti-fascist activists temporarily worked together to dox the rest of the “Daily Shoah” crew. “Bulbasaur” was exposed as a corrections officer living in Nashville and “Seventh Son” was revealed as a guitarist in an obscure Goth-rock band.-Salon

So it started with 8 chan and ended with Medium.

[Nowak]

I wonder if 1488rs know that Hitlers fanatical antisemitism was sparked by someone who only ''hated'' Jews publicly(was friendly towards them privately) for electoral gains. Hitler also in the past had a huge beta crush on a girl with a Jewish sounding (but not Jewish in reality) last name. He was a meth head with severe personality disorders like many in the alt right seem to have. Inconsistency and hypocrisy is always something very present in Naziesque people.

[Enigma]

The Right Stuff was one of the biggest pushers of the "Mike Cernovich is a subversive Jew" narrative.

Turns out, Mike is non-Jew married to a non-Jew and TRS is a Jew married to a Jew.

[Nowak]

Guys, The Believer is a really good film. This debacle should inspire you to watch it

[weambulance]

(01-16-2017 09:45 AM)not-a-pua Wrote:  

People will never learn. First of all, please be aware that these guys were called "Alt White" although they claimed the represent the "true AltRight". There was a rift when Vox Day presented his 16 points. The AltWhite attacked RamzPaul relentlessly.

Calling out Jewish hypocrisy is fine. Point out fake Holocaust survivors (there are news stories). Point out the "Jewish Israel" and "Diversity" for everyone else.

Where it get's interesting is all the people that constantly talk Jew, Jew, Jew and also deny the Holocaust. Sure sign of infiltration / fake operation. If you are an extreme right wing thinker, and someone tells you of a site / person that is "so hardcore he must be real" using his real name... beware.

I'm unclear on what you mean by the bold bit.

I don't spend much of my time talking about Jews, but all the actual evidence I've found--as in primary sources and not just "eyewitness accounts" and "confessions"--plus my own analysis of the holocaust claims show that the holocaust, defined as the planned extermination of the Jews, probably didn't happen. Camps, yes; disease, yes; end of war starvation, yes; mass killings, no.

Rather, the holocaust narrative has been a tool for Jews and at this point it's practically a religion in itself.

I don't see much point in trying to convince people of that, though. Without doing the research themselves--and without having the requisite knowledge to understand what they're seeing--they'll refuse to believe, because it's such a big lie. And so I expect if I want around saying "the holocaust was fake!" about 99.9% of westerners would immediately write me off as crazy.

[BlackUniform]

(01-16-2017 02:51 PM)Nowak Wrote:  

I wonder if 1488rs know that Hitlers fanatical antisemitism was sparked by someone who only ''hated'' Jews publicly(was friendly towards them privately) for electoral gains. Hitler also in the past had a huge beta crush on a girl with a Jewish sounding (but not Jewish in reality) last name. He was a meth head with severe personality disorders like many in the alt right seem to have. Inconsistency and hypocrisy is always something very present in Naziesque people.

Well there were about 150k Wehrmacht soldiers with one jewish parent or grandparent and a few of them in the SS. Hitlers personal driver and friend Emil Maurice was partly jewish and after it was "doxed" he and his brothers were proclaimed by Hitler "Honorary Aryans".





All partly jewish and as you can see some very high ranking officers.

So I always find it funny when guys roll with "hey they would gas this guy because he has brown hair not blond".

And sure, Führer was homo, pedo, impotent, czech-jewish-afro-indian junkie, always wondered how jewish media can get so easily away with so much BS, but eventually, who cares.

BTW : I would also like to fuck a jewish girl and tell her after that who I am for lolz and I can be friendly to jews in private, why would not I?

[weambulance]

(01-16-2017 02:51 PM)Nowak Wrote:  

I wonder if 1488rs know that Hitlers fanatical antisemitism was sparked by someone who only ''hated'' Jews publicly(was friendly towards them privately) for electoral gains. Hitler also in the past had a huge beta crush on a girl with a Jewish sounding (but not Jewish in reality) last name. He was a meth head with severe personality disorders like many in the alt right seem to have. Inconsistency and hypocrisy is always something very present in Naziesque people.

Do you have sources for Hitler being "friendly" with Jews privately and only using antisemitism as a plank in his political platform? Because that clearly and directly contradicts what Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf regarding why he came to want to remove the Jews from Germany.

There's an awful lot people "know" about Hitler, the Nazis, and the holocaust that I'm discovering is outright bullshit when I dig into the actual source material. I conclude that hardly anyone living, including historians, ever bothered to check out the claims made against Hitler and the Nazis by checking the sources.

Take away the holocaust and all the twisted things that supposedly happened during it and reduce it to "put people in concentration camps, stole their shit, then lost the war" and the Nazis aren't even in the top 10 worst governments of the 20th century anymore. It's really taking the fun out of Wolfenstein games for me.

[kaotic]

(01-16-2017 03:17 PM)BlackUniform Wrote:  

Well there were about 150k Wehrmacht soldiers with one jewish parent or grandparent and a few of them in the SS. Hitlers personal driver and friend Emil Maurice was partly jewish and after it was "doxed" he and his brothers were proclaimed by Hitler "Honorary Aryans".

I found a picture of my great grandfather - does this mean I can be called an honorary Aryan since he was a Nazi ?




But seriously, you can't make shit up like this, talk about losing all credibility, now they're eat themselves like SJW's are.


Sam is right - practice what you preach or get off the podium.

[Zep]

He married this?

   

more like Mike Eunuch

[BlackUniform]

Well the "credibility" and most of the reputation was created by post-war governments, I think it speaks for itself. If you mean the original movement, not going to comment on the current people as most of them are cunts.

If that guy is your ancestor and you would prove your loyalty, you sure would be accepted back in the times, probably not now, if it weren't in some sort of more intellectual/esoterical circles. There were even corpses of Tibetan Monks in SS uniforms found after battle of Berlin.

The difference is, this Jew with Jewish wife that represented all that is going against everything sane, all he has done was writing and talking, not much right? People on pics above proved their loyalty to the Idea by blood. You can be Nacional Socialist whatever you colour is.

[Going strong]

(01-16-2017 03:17 PM)BlackUniform Wrote:  

Well there were about 150k Wehrmacht soldiers with one jewish parent or grandparent and a few of them in the SS. Hitlers personal driver and friend Emil Maurice was partly jewish and after it was "doxed" he and his brothers were proclaimed by Hitler "Honorary Aryans".

"Honorary Aryans"? I'll grant some beta (White or Black) dudes I know, the title of "Honorary IRTs"... Myself, I'll work on my salsa moves, buy a sombrero, and claim "Honorary Latino" status. And maybe, if I lift and pimp my ride, I could even gain my "Honorary Nig*a" medal?

[BlackUniform]

Well if you fought for Mexico and they gave you some medal "Honorary Mexican", or when you fight for French Foreign Legion and they give you "French by spilled blood" title, now it does not sound so ridiculous, does it?

But I found this post funny.

[Wutang]

Quite a few people, including people on this forum were saying that Cernovich was cucking and selling out by disassociating himself from the alt-right. Looking at it now, he was actually sailing away on a lifeboat from the sinking ship. He got a lot of shit from people with anime avatars on Twitter but he not only survived but is increasing in Twitter followers. I think the movement is going to implode before the end of the year and a lot of the people obsessed with ideological purity and treating the movement like some sort of cool hipster indie rock band that can never go mainstream or risk "selling out" are going to flame out.

[Atlanta Man]

Cernovich does appear to be the only winner in all this.

[weambulance]

(01-16-2017 04:42 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

Quite a few people, including people on this forum were saying that Cernovich was cucking and selling out by disassociating himself from the alt-right. Looking at it now, he was actually sailing away on a lifeboat from the sinking ship. He got a lot of shit from people with anime avatars on Twitter but he not only survived but is increasing in Twitter followers. I think the movement is going to implode before the end of the year and a lot of the people obsessed with ideological purity and treating the movement like some sort of cool hipster indie rock band that can never go mainstream or risk "selling out" are going to flame out.

That's a misrepresentation of what's going on with Cernovich and what a lot of us were saying.

Cernovich is basically building a cult of personality now. He has become totally inconsistent. He no longer bases anything he says or does on logical positions, but on how it will play politically with his "base". He never admits error but buries the evidence and pretends it never happened. If you call him out, you're just a paid shill or troll.

I don't even know what the guy believes anymore because in the space of an hour he'll put out six different contradictory positions on twitter. This is beyond rhetoric and well into incoherence. It reads like some through-the-looking-glass Donald Trump impersonation but Mr. Trump is actually good at that style of rhetoric and does have consistent positions. Reading Mike's twitter gives me mental whiplash sometimes trying to figure out what the fuck he actually thinks about something.

Maybe his strategy will continue to pay off for him but similar to the Milo situation, it's clear to me at this point that whatever Cernovich is doing is about Cernovich. I do not consider him a friend or ally and I think it would be extremely optimistic to trust him to stand for any particular cause in the long run in light of his recent history of whitewashing his online history and flip flopping on issues for solely political reasons.

The signs I see point to Mike running for political office in 2018. He suggested that he might in November last year, and a couple days ago he retweeted this:

[url=https://twitter.com/BakedAlcatraz/status/820461577686151168][/url]

You can make up your own mind about whether you think that's a good thing, in light of his recent behavior.

And hey, Mike's still a member of this forum. I know he read the threads about him. He could've come on here at any time and cleared things up. Why hasn't he, if he's still a friend and ally of the forum? I suspect it's because A. he isn't a friend anymore, having escaped the "manosphere ghetto" and B. this sort of forum--where everything you say lasts forever and it's not just a one sided megaphone like twitter--is not someplace he wants to spend much time these days.

Feel free to prove me wrong if you see this, Mike.

---

I stand by what I said in some other thread about this: I think the people who rose to prominence and gained success in the "alt-whatever" did so basically by accident, and none of them had a clue what to do once they got near the top. So I am not at all surprised that so many top figures are self destructing now.

I also would not be surprised to find a number of controlled opposition figures in positions of prominence either. That's SOP for the other side, after all.

[Samseau]

What Enoch was doing makes sense from a Talmudic perspective, if you think about it.

Mike Enoch was playing the conservative side, and his wife was playing the liberal side. No matter who won the Presidency, as a couple they stood to ride the wave and make lots of shekels.

Heads or tails, (((they))) win. Classic Talmudic behavior.

Unfortunately, Enoch's fraudulent beliefs leaked through when it came to homosexuality. That clued in the 8chan guys that something was up, and they want to war with TRS. That was the end for Enoch.

[Roosh]

You would think there would be a huge media response to the revelation of The Right Stuff's owners, but so far I can find only one article. ONE. Compare that to Heilgate, or compare that to the meetup outrage last February. Strange for them to get a pass when the media has been beating on the alt right for the past few months.

The article that wrote about it was Salon, and in it, Enoch completely cucks out on multiple levels.

Quote:

“I was involved with that site years ago, writing a few libertarian articles for them and using my PayPal for the exactly zero donations that the site ever got when it was still a libertarian blog,” he wrote.

Peinovich then claimed he had disassociated himself from TRS after it became overtly pro-Nazi: “I cut off ties when they went the direction they are going now, and that was 4 years ago. Honestly I have not thought much about them. As you can see from all public writings I am libertarian. My wife is Jewish. Do you really believe that I am this person?”

The TRS creator then asked Salon to help him deny that he was Enoch: “If you give any fucks at all then you could print that this is all bullshit. We are now being harassed not only by communists but by actual neo nazis.”

When asked if he would be willing to conduct a telephone interview, Peinovich replied, “Let me talk to my wife.” He never answered back.

Quote:

When asked if he would be willing to conduct a telephone interview, Peinovich replied, “Let me talk to my wife.”

No wonder he attacked us... he's the epitome of a beta male we always mock! Incredible.

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/16/cat-figh...is-jewish/

[John Michael Kane]

Let me talk to you my wife?

Classic sackless male. Internet tough guy at best, which is to say, not tough at all.

[Dusty]

(01-16-2017 07:13 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

Let me talk to you my wife?

Classic sackless male. Internet tough guy at best, which is to say, not tough at all.

Let me see if I can get permission from this:

[John Michael Kane]

I'd place even odds that's a tranny. She (he?) works on transsexual issues? Odds are, the goods are odd. Disgusting.

[Atlanta Man]

(01-16-2017 09:40 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

I'd place even odds that's a tranny. She (he?) works on transsexual issues? Odds are, the goods are odd. Disgusting.

I would not take that bet, the odds are too much in your favor-After all this is the Alt Right, it probley is a tranny......

[Last Parade]

Guys, let's not get too LARPy here. This guy was running a website, putting out hours of podcast material a week and tweeting consistently. They'd also have frequent real-life meetups of like-minded individuals in the New York area. I listened to a few of their podcasts and assuming a level of consistency for their entire run (121 episodes at 2 to 4 hours apiece), of the things he'd say, it's a pretty goddamn dedicated long con.

I agree with the others that you can't reconcile his beliefs with his family situation (and extra degeneracy concerning his wife being into the drag scene) - I do believe he could have married her before being red-pilled and compartmentalized in such a way that "black people are bad", "Jews are bad", but his Jewish and Black family are A.O.K. - but talking about how he's a pro-Jew shill, this was an NSA honeypot, an elaborate troll, a long con scheme to get "shekels", and his wife's really a tranny?

Come on now. I do believe he believed the beliefs he espoused. How he rationalizes away the hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance, that's an explanation he owes his fanbase.

And based on his latest tweet (and only tweet since the scandal erupted), they might get it.

[url=https://twitter.com/ThaRightStuff/status/821162937113001984][/url]

What a twist!


I gained awareness of TRS during my in-depth Trump followings over the past year and this is certainly devastating for a site and movement that was steadily growing in stature, popularity and relevance. Daily Shoah and Fash the Nation were hitting top of the charts on Soundcloud (beating Erick Erickson, for example) before getting banned ("shoahed"). Even after that they were still hitting 100k+ listens a week.

FTN had expanded to their own website and TDS had increased to 2 shows a week. Everyone was riding high after Trump's election. 2017 was going to be another year of expansion.

Instead you get:
-The TDS cast getting doxxed, with Ghost and Bulbasaur shutting down all social media profiles & going away
-SeventhSon getting doxxed but having zero impact/he's still going strong
-Mike Enoch getting doxxed and the ensuing fallout (and antifa claiming Ghoul had provided the doxxing details that followed, though that's a suspect claim/likely meant just to divide people)
-Jazzhands and Halberstram (FTN hosts) first protected, then entirely deleted their twitter profiles, taking down the FTN website and Facebook page AND deleting their entire podcast history off the TRS site. Supposedly they're taking a breather and will be back in the future but that hasn't been conclusively said anywhere, nothing has.

Bulbasaur getting doxxed to the Mike Enoch revelation, the span of less than a week, completely destroyed everything. The loss of Fash the Nation is even worse since it had a wider audience/greater appeal, hell they even had Paul Nehlen on as a guest recently! The next TDS is being recorded today for release tomorrow, if they're adhering to their typical schedule, so it'd be interesting to see what gets addressed (if anything). Mike's tweet might indicate that he'll be on it. Will be interesting to see what happens.

[AnonymousBosch]

I've stated my low opinion of the alt-right, and thought I was clear about my feelings on the untrustworthiness of the alt-lite, and eventual mistrust of Cernovich due to patterns of displayed behaviour

(01-16-2017 06:05 PM)weambulance Wrote:  

Cernovich is basically building a cult of personality now. He has become totally inconsistent. He no longer bases anything he says or does on logical positions, but on how it will play politically with his "base". He never admits error but buries the evidence and pretends it never happened.

It's consistent Basic Bitch behaviour. Commit a empowering transgression due to a sense of personal righteousness followed by A / B testing of which excuse the audience will buy. Leap on the successful one. Delete contradictory evidence. Luckily, he's made enough enemies by now that every action he takes is now being archived for posterity, such as the NetHoax youtube account. Which is why, rumours from both the right and left claim Mike was involved in this, and Salon's take on the matter of Enoch's doxxing involves this paragraph:

Quote:

Mike Enoch’s downfall was set in motion in December when a former alt-right vlogger named Mike Cernovich hinted to his viewers that one of his rivals “is morbidly obese and is married to a Jewish woman.” He declined to say whom he meant, but that salacious rumor set the cyber-sleuths to their task.

This was back in December around the time of the Baked Alaska doxxing: Around 20:00 in this video, if the direct time link doesn't work.

... when he'd also sent these tweets to Enoch.



Note the odd softening of Mike's presentation by Salon - 'a former alt-right blogger' - considering his former toxic media reputation.

He's claiming these are faked now - if it's deleted it doesn't exist! - but note the slimy plausible-deniability in his actions. "It's not like I named him!"

This is Bitch Behaviour. He knew exactly what he was doing.

Remember, around this time, fellow Alt-Liter Bill Kristol / Kristal - I can't be bothered googling him - was also doxxing another Alt-Righter and trying to get her fired from her job.

This pattern of behaviour matches what Mike did to Baked Alaska, and the accusations back during Gamergate by GamerGhazi that the doxxing of another prominent Gamergater came directly from Mike, which I dismissed at the time due to the source, but now I wonder more about. Margaret Pless - who Mike crowed about suing into oblivion for a while until he suddenly stopped, blocking anyone who asked about the suit - wrote some interesting pieces where she stated Mike's claims of being doxxed by Pless and Quinn were false and his behaviour was 'bizarre', and 'off'.

So, as a thought experiment, let's take this further - watching how victimhood via harrassment was paying off for Quinn and Sarkeesian, (Mike has repeatedly stated he admires her for her skills as a Player), I could see how someone inserting himself into drama to try and build a personal brand for self-improvement within a (largely gullible) audience of Beta Gamers by playing into the tropes and cliches of their hobby, such as creating a Hero Trajectory via the appearance of nobility being attacked-unjustly, in which case, it would pay quite well to dox yourself and point the finger of blame elsewhere.

As I said, it's just a thought experiment, since I prefer to examine events by running out multiple theoretical motivations for behaviour, (which is necessary when dealing with women, because nothing said can ever be taken at face value).

Back to Enoch - here's a caller calling Mike out. Note the discussion of the Tweet praising a Buzzfeed article.

Watch the video again with the sound off, and note the body language. Is that a trustworthy master of mindset, or is something just off there? Contrast with another high-stress situation - Roosh attacking the journalists during a press conference in DC where you can see the obvious body language of righteous indignation and a guy who is in control of his shit.

Which man would you buy a used car from?

Mike says if he was going to going to attack you, he'd do it in front of your face, which immediately gives me Bullshit High School Drama Flashbacks, because, girls being girls and often being indistinguishable from each other in their actions, speech and behaviour, it was an incredibly-common transgression deflection excuse used by Bitches who have been caught out for Bitchy, Backstabbing Behaviour.

I suspect the truth is more like this:

- he'd directly attack if he thought it would help expand his brand.

- he'd indirectly attack if he thought a direct attack would be detrimental to his brand.

This focus on what grants personal power is why Cernovich will pay $5,000 a month to an obvious burnout like Baked Alaska (due to the connections to Milo's power that he had at the time) rather than paying the same amount to fund a damn good journalist like Forney, (whose blunt, caustic style delivers the goods but might blowback negatively on Cernovich's brand, particularly now he's trying to position himself as Centerist).

Quoted for truth:

weambulance Wrote:

Maybe his strategy will continue to pay off for him but similar to the Milo situation, it's clear to me at this point that whatever Cernovich is doing is about Cernovich. I do not consider him a friend or ally and I think it would be extremely optimistic to trust him to stand for any particular cause in the long run in light of his recent history of whitewashing his online history and flip flopping on issues for solely political reasons.

I'm uninterested in a direct fight with him as we exist in very different circles - the sort of circles where his lack of loyalty would result in physical consequences - and since I'm also uninterested in exploiting the gullibility of followers for personal power, I'm hardly a direct threat to his Alt-Lite throne, particularly as I think the manosphere offers his brand little power by this stage. I just see him as an inherently-untrustworthy guy with zero loyalty to anyone but himself.

I'm just warning readers that nothing is ever as it appears - people have very complex behavioural motivations - and it's naive to assume Mike had nothing to gain from the destruction of the Alt-Right. Of course, being the times, all information is theoretically-disinformation and nothing presented through technological presentation can be trusted as truth, but I also have a deep gut instinct as to when something stinks, particularly as I worked for years in a field where trusting appearances and apparent loyalties could easily have gotten me killed.

Like the Left, the battles of the Right all seem to be coming down to jostling for positions of power. Over the years, I've come to accept this as the predictable reality behind whatever supposedly-noble political cause is currently being fought: you are guaranteed to end up with the exact same toxic power dynamics as what you were valiantly-fighting to end.

This is why, a few years ago on here, I mentioned this old movie I saw at the Drive-In as a kid:



Short version: A nerd crippled by a clique of high school bullies kills them all, resulting in the other nerds filling the power vacuum and becoming a new bullying clique. Thirteen years later, the overrated 'Heathers' did much the same thing with a glossier presentation, but didn't have the guts to shiv as deep.

This is why I've seen an almost entire inversion of left/right behaviour within my lifetime. The Left spent the 80's fighting the Right to stop banning art, music and video games; trying to destroy people being bullied for their political beliefs; praising liberated sexuality; demanding desegregation; and trying to destroying the dehumanising qualities of anti-Russian propaganda through songs like 'Nikita' and 'Russians', only to be doing all those things themselves now they hold societal power.

Given that the Alt-Right were largely Esoteric Gay Nazis; the Natsocs at /pol/ are so easily duped they don't realise the Esoteric Occultists tricked them into worshipping a Numerology-based Crowleyist Satanic Reversal; and the Alt-Lite is shaping up with members like Kristol, Cernovich, Milo and Vox Day, (none of whom I find remotely-trustworthy, given their histories), I'm thinking that I have so little in common with this movement, (particularly given the guaranteed-fucktardness of the eventual power dynamics that will result from it), that my future is largely-offline.

There seems to be some kind of Bitch Sickness in middle and upper class men, where I need to watch them more for sneaky drama than their women.

[John Michael Kane]

Why cut this guy any slack for being married to a tranny supporter? Sane people view tranies as the mentally ill people that they are. Jewish leftists have been pushing the LGBTQIXXXXXXXXXXXX for decades. There's a reason why many people see crap like this and ask: Why are liberal Jews always against Christian values and common sense? By continuing to stay married to her (she's not some Orthodox Jew who happens to be pro-family/pro-life), he is co-signing her behavior. The man is either a pathetic cuck or a honeypot organization to scoop up funds from alt-right followers and keep tabs on them.

This doesn't pass the smell test.