[RatInTheWoods]

(01-04-2017 05:50 PM)britchard Wrote:  

Britain has changed so much even over the last 15 years, and an incredible amount since the 50s and 60s. I have no memory of having an actual conversation with a black person until I was around 16.

Britain has certainly gone down the shitter.

I remember backpacking in the 80s and being amazed at the quality of feminine well spoken and behaved English lasses. I fell in love on the tube every 5 minutes.

Mind you I grew up in Oz, so the bush pigs at home was a low reference point to measure.

Still its so sad what England has become.

London is unrecognisable as an English place, so full of non English people it is.

[Bey]

(01-05-2017 03:09 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

To get blackout drunk in public like this, without fear of being shot, raped, kidnapped, or worse, is a testament to the fact that despite all the bad publicity, Britain is still a very safe place to live. Even London!

Don't be so naive. This is in a certain part of London with a very heavy police presence (particularly due to the context in which they all got drunk). London is by no means a "dangerous" city (although compared to other Western European cities, perhaps it is), but you are certainly leaving yourself vulnerable if you're in that kind of state in certain neighbourhoods of London.

[britchard]

Having said all that about the UK, I wouldn't trade it with anywhere else to grow up as a child and to live out my later years. I don't really want to waste my prime years here though, as you may have guessed from my signature.

[Teedub]

I simultaneously detest England and love it at the same time. I think it depends on who's hating on it. If you're English (or British, I suppose), then I'll give it a pass - if you're not, I'm going to defend it to the death and go to war!

Edit: I lived in London for 6 months and I hated it. Aside from making friends with Constitution45 from the forum, it was miserable. I think mega-cities like that are just awful.

[Constitution45]

Kudos to those on here that do well in the U.K, I really can't see how it happens to be honest. There doesn't seem to be anything to write home about.

The whole nightlife scene is a sausage fest, dating apps are a sausage fest. Meeting girls on the street or in coffee shops are probably the best bet, but then again, large chunks of London are semi ghettos; so that narrows it down to Central London or places like Clapham, Camden. Then adding in the competition, it disqualifies even the guys who have SMV, because their pride can't take being flaked on by chicks who probably would be at most a 6 out of 10 on this forum's scale.

I have had some great times with meeting girls who were on international placements and were 'passing through' the city. With decent logistics, you are pretty much providing them with an experience of a life time. Chicks love London, it is one of those cities that they love to plaster all over their instagram. However overall London is a city for work, for me and for many others that is the consensus. If you want a natural lifestyle or organic relationships with girls then you are completely in the wrong place.

Culturally the city is extremely pro feminism/globalism/multiculturalism. It is an extremely liberal city, which means that you will probably have difficulty finding anything long term, if that is what you are after. Having relatively red pill views, will just put you at odds with most people and the general mood of the city or country. Even relatively liberal friends of mine, have started to come to terms with this and are now looking to move overseas.

In terms of danger and the general safety of the city. I wouldn't say that London is more dangerous than say Paris, but it does have big city problems. Most areas even unsuspectedly in the centre, have gang problems and regular stabbings/shootings, although this rarely interferes with the professionals and the tourists who are passing through or live in the same areas. They are targets for thefts, robberies and they are also the biggest customers to sell drugs to by the gang members. You could probably get drunk in the city and turn out all right, most people do. But then again a lot of people don't, and robberies, thefts or rapes are far from being rare.

There was a time, when gun crime was a major issue in London and it was turning into the wild west. However the Metropolitan police were able to crack down on the gangs and made it difficult for them to operate so freely. So now a lot of the gangs are moving out to the counties and drug dealing, pimping out there. The rest of the country besides the big cities, don't really know how to deal with these types of street gangs; so needless to say they are overwhelmed.

Back on to the topic of lifestyle and the city itself. My two cents are to use the city for work or the country in general for that matter. Even if you are in the military, the best postings seem to be located near and around London. Personally I will move overseas as an expat though in the near future most likely. As somebody else mentioned here, the grass is generally greener and it wouldn't be ideal to live out your prime years in the U.K, or specifically London for that matter.

Thanks for the mention Teedub, let me know if you want a drink sometime, when you are around that is. I haven't properly used this forum for a while, although I've met with some members in London. Good people, hope you are all doing well.

[Thomas Jackson]

As an American of mostly old stock English descent I've always wanted to visit the motherland. Reading this is depressing though, sounds like it's going downhill more rapidly than America is.

[britchard]

(01-07-2017 11:30 AM)Thomas Jackson Wrote:  

As an American of mostly old stock English descent I've always wanted to visit the motherland. Reading this is depressing though, sounds like it's going downhill more rapidly than America is.

Depends what you want to visit for. It is definitely not worth coming purely for the women, the only real discussions on the forum about English women are for foreign members who are coming to the UK for another purpose and want to know about the chicks.

However it is definitely worth going on a trip to see Great Britain for its history and culture outside the cities. If your ancestors came from somewhere like London or Manchester there is almost no point in visiting where they lived previously as it will have no connection to its past.

[Thomas Jackson]

(01-07-2017 12:26 PM)britchard Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 11:30 AM)Thomas Jackson Wrote:  

As an American of mostly old stock English descent I've always wanted to visit the motherland. Reading this is depressing though, sounds like it's going downhill more rapidly than America is.

Depends what you want to visit for. It is definitely not worth coming purely for the women, the only real discussions on the forum about English women are for foreign members who are coming to the UK for another purpose and want to know about the chicks.

However it is definitely worth going on a trip to see Great Britain for its history and culture outside the cities. If your ancestors came from somewhere like London or Manchester there is almost no point in visiting where they lived previously as it will have no connection to its past.

Good point. Somerset in the 1660's from what I've found so not likely to be much connection anyway since it's so long ago. Regardless, yes I love the history Of England (and Scotland) so that would be the main draw of visiting.

[Skank_Hunt]

(01-06-2017 10:54 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

Kudos to those on here that do well in the U.K, I really can't see how it happens to be honest. There doesn't seem to be anything to write home about.

The guys who do best in the UK fall into a few categories.

1. Guys who have found a niche and are well positioned in some social setting so that he naturally comes across lots of girls who already know who he is. Some guys just have jobs or hobbies which put them around a lot of available young women. If there is a constant conveyor belt of women coming in and out then the guy gets a reputation for being a ladies man and it sort of snowballs from there as the women are even more drawn to him as his reputation increases. Kicked out of such a favorable setup, though, the same guy would commonly be unable to successfully cold approach or get anywhere near the standard he is used to from his social circle, because there has been no reason for him to learn cold approach and of course cold approach has average lower quality than social circle. These guys are very restricted and a poor sight to behold if they ever lose their positioning within their honey hole. But this is how the best quality UK girls are attained.

2. "Naturals" who are usually too dumb to have serious approach anxiety, or to take rejection and loss of pride from feral british women seriously. They meet girls wherever they can, in school, work, and in bars. Often get drunk and have similar interests like football, rugby, and whatever shit music is in the charts. They are not the strongest intellectually but have quite impressive social intelligence and their blind stupidity is often combined with a sense of humor (even in pretty shit situations) that women find quite charming. These guys are in the top 1% and I have to tip my hat to them. Their lack of thirst means a lot less whiteknighting than your average british guy which means they're pretty cool to hang around. These guys aren't perfect human beings by any stretch of the imagination; they do stupid shit and can get in trouble with the law but it's usually due to their lack of insight or forethought not because they are evil. Most of these guys eventually get tied down by one woman, sometimes she's hot, sometimes she is surprisingly unattractive and I'm left scratching my head. Because they don't have much independent thought going on, they sort of go with the flow and can be fooled by leftist propaganda or whatever social consensus says to be the "right" thing to do at the time. At age 40 you'd much more likely find them in their local pub watching the football with the lads, than in Peru cold approaching in spanish.

3. Psychopaths. These guys I'd describe as "dark" naturals. Various more malignant criminal tendencies, selfishness, lack of empathy, lack of insight, lack of emotion or thought in general... all these qualities lead to complete lack of awareness of whether the UK is "good" or "bad" for women, or whether the city they live in is a shithole or not. In fact, these guys tend to congregate in shitholes (whether council estates in London or northern towns/cities e.g. Leeds, Bradford, Barnsley, Doncaster etc.). The women who like them most can be quite hot but fucked up themselves, so chavs or chicks with personality disorders who specifically have a thing for hypermasculine psychopaths.

4. "Game aware" men who cold approach a lot and are willing and able to take pretty large amounts of shit just to bang a 5 with a horrible attitude. If in big cities, London mainly, foreign girls are often the targets for obvious reasons. But as far as UK girls go, to successfully cold approach is not so much about being simply dominant anymore, because if you show too much pride in yourself to agree with some bullshit that a girl is saying, then she will often just get pissed off and walk away. So it's a bizarre balancing act between not looking like a complete pushover and still not pissing her entitled self off too much, then fumbling around with logistics to get the bang. Roosh wrote about this phenomenon somewhere: nowadays with western women you have to take some forms of shit while saving face, to keep the interaction going forward. Women are so entitled in the UK that if a man dares to disagree with their liberal/SJW/leftist propaganda bullshit opinions, they blow their top and refuse to talk to you. Even if you're technically a great catch, the arms race (to the bottom, it seems) between men in the UK and the sausagefests of UK nightclubs and online dating means that UK women have ample choice and need you less than ever. Add to this the prevalent sucking on the teat of the extremely generous (especially for women) government welfare system and you have a situation where mass cold approaching as is required in the UK is a miserable grind. I have done it and got valuable experience and some dirty rewards from it, but that's just how I'd define it: dirty. In every sense of the word. For any average game aware guys pulling hot UK girls with any sort of regularity, that is a mixture of top 1% game right there, and some extreme effort and emotional resilience. I would personally redirect those same efforts and resources to expatriation where the rewards could be 10-100x greater but, there is no doubt hot women in the UK are so scarce that "PUAs" are on them like flies on shit. After various trips abroad and seeing what a more balanced SMP looks like and the consequences of that I value my own personal pride and limited resources too much to continue spam approaching in the UK, but hats off to the guys who take the beatings day in day out to scrape whatever they can.

The above groups of men only form a small single digit %, therefore I agree with Constitution45, that for the average man in the UK, I can't see how it happens either. It seems to be a case of fumbling along in life, trying not to get too beaten down by the whole feminist/kill all men/all men are rapists etc. narrative, while waiting and blindly hoping for some girl in your social circle to take a liking to you or to feel lonely while you're around, and to fumble your way into a relationship with that girl. That's what I see with most guys who are in LTRs. The girl might even cheat on him and there is nothing he can do. He leaves her, he is alone and sexless, while she finds another guy with no problem. The amount of shit I see some guys taking and the amount of shit I see some guys doing for their LTRs is quite depressing at times, but they effectively have no choice.

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The whole nightlife scene is a sausage fest, dating apps are a sausage fest. Meeting girls on the street or in coffee shops are probably the best bet, but then again, large chunks of London are semi ghettos; so that narrows it down to Central London or places like Clapham, Camden. Then adding in the competition, it disqualifies even the guys who have SMV, because their pride can't take being flaked on by chicks who probably would be at most a 6 out of 10 on this forum's scale.

As above, you have to be either too stupid (lacking in awareness) or aware but willing to take the punishment anyway ("being a dedicated PUA") to get those coveted 6s.

Day game is the best but the problem is that your approach still doesn't exist in a vacuum, so attitudes might be better in the day but the same girl probably has tons of options from her social circle, going out at night, online dating profile etc. Add to this that as recently as maybe 2009 you could approach a girl in the day and she would commonly say that this has never happened to her before. Now the PUAs have carpetbombed entire towns and cities, not to mention chuggers and the dozens of new "matches" she gets sent to her phone every hour. A "cool guy" is now nothing new to a woman in the UK, so over the years up to today in 2017 we're at a point where men in this country feel expendable. Any man who takes pride in himself and has self-respect knows that his value is more than this, will probably go abroad, but for those who remain in the UK this does not change the overall social environment.

[kavi]

Atleast we have Take Me Out

[Abelard Lindsey]

The decline must have started in the mid 90's. I was in the London area in summer of '91 and found the women to be rather classy. I started hearing stories in the mid 90's while living in Japan.