[XPQ22]

So this has actually worked out for people? Interesting.

At least in my neck of the woods, I've never met a young woman who wanted to share some kind of equal-footed "friendship" with a guy she wasn't banging. She either views you as a prospect (and you won't be for very long unless you move quickly), or an orbiter. And if you're in the orbiter bin you'd better be working your butt off for her and doing her favors and "liking" her social media shit and complimenting her or you're out the door.

It's pure atavism: what is she getting out of this deal? Why would she take five minutes out of her day to introduce me to one of her friends? By what methods is this platonic relationship maintained? Are we texting our feelings to each other via Messenger twice a day? Going out to the bar or club together to shoot the breeze? Is she supposed to come over and help me move or redecorate my apartment?

I "know" a bunch of chicks around here that shot me "friend" requests on social media, and I talk with sometimes when I'm out. If I asked they'd probably agree to meet up with me somewhere or other and hang out. That's great. But they aren't my friends. I have every confidence that the minute we parted the experience would be largely forgotten in the huge bin of other experiences with other guys who she rolled out to the club who didn't get laid, either.

(12-31-2016 09:59 PM)Mayweather Wrote:  

That girl that you do friend zone in a way will be like an on call marketer or billboard to her social circle and the like. Her approval of you, sells you. And her approval of you is based on the fact you don't need or want the pussy.

Her needs are already all provided for by the other two categories of men, why would she even care to have an opinion on some guy who didn't fit in to one of them?

Maybe it's a New England thing. Women here are so affluent, pampered, and have so many of their needs already provided for that they simply have no reason that I can see to seek out this type of friendship. One might do better as a black or Asian man when dealing with white girls if they need a "person of color" to add to their SJW-cred roster, but no college-educated white girl is going to pal-up a random white dude for the fun of it.

If you're a DJ, promoter, emo band member, or drug dealer, well, that changes things. But most of us aren't that.

If a woman is being overly-friendly it means she wants something (and probably not your dick.) I get very skeptical of any chick who gives the appearance of not having a bitch shield.

I'm way more confident in the ability of the gay barista at Starbucks to hook me up with some hot ass than any of the women in this area ever coming through for me on anything in the context of a mutually-beneficial platonic friendship. If you ain't banged 'em you don't exist, simple as that.



Might as well make pals with your microwave oven, it would be more rewarding.

[Mayweather]

(01-02-2017 04:04 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

So this has actually worked out for people? Interesting.

At least in my neck of the woods, I've never met a young woman who wanted to share some kind of equal-footed "friendship" with a guy she wasn't banging. She either views you as a prospect (and you won't be for very long unless you move quickly), or an orbiter. And if you're in the orbiter bin you'd better be working your butt off for her and doing her favors and "liking" her social media shit and complimenting her or you're out the door.

It's pure atavism: what is she getting out of this deal? Why would she take five minutes out of her day to introduce me to one of her friends? By what methods is this platonic relationship maintained? Are we texting our feelings to each other via Messenger twice a day? Going out to the bar or club together to shoot the breeze? Is she supposed to come over and help me move or redecorate my apartment?

I "know" a bunch of chicks around here that shot me "friend" requests on social media, and I talk with sometimes when I'm out. If I asked they'd probably agree to meet up with me somewhere or other and hang out. That's great. But they aren't my friends. I have every confidence that the minute we parted the experience would be largely forgotten in the huge bin of other experiences with other guys who she rolled out to the club who didn't get laid, either.

(12-31-2016 09:59 PM)Mayweather Wrote:  

That girl that you do friend zone in a way will be like an on call marketer or billboard to her social circle and the like. Her approval of you, sells you. And her approval of you is based on the fact you don't need or want the pussy.

Her needs are already all provided for by the other two categories of men, why would she even care to have an opinion on some guy who didn't fit in to one of them?

Maybe it's a New England thing. Women here are so affluent, pampered, and have so many of their needs already provided for that they simply have no reason that I can see to seek out this type of friendship. One might do better as a black or Asian man when dealing with white girls if they need a "person of color" to add to their SJW-cred roster, but no college-educated white girl is going to pal-up a random white dude for the fun of it.

If you're a DJ, promoter, emo band member, or drug dealer, well, that changes things. But most of us aren't that.

If a woman is being overly-friendly it means she wants something (and probably not your dick.) I get very skeptical of any chick who gives the appearance of not having a bitch shield.

I'm way more confident in the ability of the gay barista at Starbucks to hook me up with some hot ass than any of the women in this area ever coming through for me on anything in the context of a mutually-beneficial platonic friendship. If you ain't banged 'em you don't exist, simple as that.



Might as well make pals with your microwave oven, it would be more rewarding.

What i explained in my first post was all based on the premise you friend zone her first. Hence the distinction between 'beggars friendship' and genuine friendship. Its your decision in that instance, which she won't be accustom to. The importance of how that decision you make - makes her FEEL is the key part of this idea. Have you ever seen what happens when a girl who had little interest sees you out with a girl that looks better than her? Have you ever seen the reply you get when you text a girl 'who's this?' , when she thought you'd not only have her number saved but be asking her when she's free?

Sexual rejection gives the female mind a jolt that is necessary sometimes.

The sexual marketplace is overwhelmingly a sellers market in female favour. The fact that you're not interested in buying when 99 other dudes are, creates intrigue. One of the thrills of relationships for women is convincing and catching the unattainable dude. Your basically showing her your unattainable and that's probably not ever gonna change because 'she's like a sister to you'. Then follow that up with asking about her cute friend and she'll know your serious. You become the cool guy that doesn't need her.

No one is looking to your average girl for the camaraderie you get from male friendship. She's an asset to you , another labia in the pussy portfolio. Use her and her social circle to get your dick wet. Use her as a wingman at a house warming party. Practice your playful jabs. This requires an abundance mindset and self control.

Logic is for dudes. Emotions and creating experiences is for women. A guy that doesn't need women, is the one they want. And being the herd creatures they are, her friends will want you too.

No where in my post did I talk about an equal footed friendship. Those with women are about as realistic as Santa.

[General Stalin]

I wrote this article a while back giving my personal perspective on non-sexual male/female friendships.

For me personally I don't think it's possible for a man and a woman to share a genuine non-sexual relationship without any kind of stipulations or contingencies. Above that, women generally do not make good friends anyway, especially for men.

I have one female friend, and we have dated and banged in the past. It's not any kind of deep friendship where we see eachother a lot and talk a lot. She lives back east and is married with three kids and we catch up a couple times a year over text or when I come visit.

Aside that, every other female friend I've had in my life has drifted from me or intentionally stopped talking to me over shallow drama.

[NickDunne]

I used to think it's impossible to be friends with hot women. Proved myself wrong. I currently have one female friend in total (aside from the girls indirectly associated to me and close colleagues) and she is smoking hot. Also pretty intelligent and direct (hence the friendship).

A couple of years ago, I would go all or nothing on her. Now I just don't have to. That pressure is gone. Plenty of other fish in the sea. And why intentionally deny myself what she can offer besides sex? I already wrote another post on how just hanging around with her gave me huge pre-selection benefits. And she fortunately doesn't do shallow drama - I can almost talk to her like to a dude.

And the final note: not all friendships have to be deep or forever. So what if we drift away? I had a friend who I grew up with and I was closer to him than to my brother. As many years passed, I grew up and he remained a Peter Pan which kinda drifted us apart. Another one forgot all of us when his wifezilla took over. And before that we swore it could never happen.

[General Stalin]

If I was friends with a girl who was "smoking hot" I would always want to bang her and that desire would never go away until I either no longer associated with her or banged her enough until I was tired of doing it.

The only reason I would refrain from banging her whilst still associating with her would be if I had to (she was a friend's girlfriend/wife, I worked with her, or she was a family member)

[NickDunne]

I know - I was exactly the same up to an undefined time before.

I wanted to bang her but I just got over it - getting old, what can I say...
The part that I can talk to her almost like to a dude (she looks posh, but is actually pretty tomboyish in demeanor) was actually a big help.

[SwayMe]

How do you befriend the women when cold approaching on the street. There you exchange #s and then you befriend them later?!
Could anyone write a short sentence or two about this or add a link.I'm a little lost.

Thank you

[Qwerty]

Women need their beta orbiters. Men need their beta female orbiters.

[Hypno]

I've leveraged women that I couldn't bang before. In some cases they were co-workers or good friends' current GFs or exes. There usually was a sexual tension already, but for some reason we didn't act upon it. So to say I was pre-selected when I met her friends was an understatement. I guess you could call that social circle game but to my mind its different -- i was actively trying to expand my circle to reach outlying areas.

So as an example my buddy's ex GF threw a birthday party for herself. She was sort of annoying, not really in my circle every day, but I figured she would have a lot of girls at her party that would be candidates.

[Black Caesar]

(03-05-2018 10:10 AM)SwayMe Wrote:  

How do you befriend the women when cold approaching on the street. There you exchange #s and then you befriend them later?!
Could anyone write a short sentence or two about this or add a link.I'm a little lost.

Thank you

You Game them like normal just don't smash.

Plenty of reason to have female friends around and it's useful to be able to call up girls that you know will show up to a night out. Heavily greases the wheels of nightlife if you have a clique of fly girls running around the spot that is dancing to your tune.

If you have the right vibe girls will pass you around their friend group so often it's easier to just be chill and keep sexual tension with a whole group of chicks until one puts the moves on you.

[SwayMe]

(03-05-2018 04:48 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

You Game them like normal just don't smash.

Plenty of reason to have female friends around and it's useful to be able to call up girls that you know will show up to a night out. Heavily greases the wheels of nightlife if you have a clique of fly girls running around the spot that is dancing to your tune.

If you have the right vibe girls will pass you around their friend group so often it's easier to just be chill and keep sexual tension with a whole group of chicks until one puts the moves on you.

Thanks, but if I open them on the streets with roughly the same idea that this opener follows "I saw/like you I want to get to know you" and then exchange #s then they don't want to meet me with other girls that I opened the same way. For them it's rather something like a date but not like a friendly get together with 1 or 2 guys and many women.

[Pointer]

You don't need female friends to benefit from pre-selection. Mystery was teaching this stuff in the stone age of game.
Let's say you approach a group of girls and show them that you're a fun interesting guy. Immediately after approach a second group, do the same routine then merge the 2 groups. It's not easy to pull off but certainly easier than wasting your time making friends with girls.
The only guys who regularly hang out with girls without banging them are beta orbiters.

[HankMoody]

I've written about this... my two cents...

- Game your female friends. You do not want to be her "bestie." Treat all women like you would a plate. Even ones that you're not banging.

- Being friends with a girl will not help you bang her. Quite the contrary -- it makes you ordinary and available. I like the girls I'm banging (or trying to bang) to think I'm running around from courtroom to courtroom, slaying witnesses, and living a Mad Men lifestyle. I don't need her to know that I'm trying to unjam the printer or figure out how to work the fax machine.

- How much time / energy you choose to invest into a relationship is on you. If you're orbiting around a chick all the time and getting pissed that she isn't putting out, that's on you. She didn't put you in the Friend Zone -- you put yourself there. If your goal is to bang and she doesn't seem receptive, cut your losses and move on. (Don't be a dick about it, just don't respond to her texts that often, take her calls, or try and make plans. If she asks you what's up, just give a vague answer like "movin' and shakin", "makin moves", "work stuff", "nm. u". She is not entitled to your time, nor an explanation of where you're spending it.)

- On that note, do not become friends with a girl to bang her. Sometimes I bang my female friends, sometimes I don't. Usually the ones I Friend Zone are traditionally attractive but not my type. (i.e., too tall, too thick, too thin, smell doesn't turn me on, too liberal, not enough boobs, etc.)

- Some level of friendship is necessary to maintain LTRs / long term FWBs. Just tonight, a girl I've been banging on and off for years mentioned that now she's in a relationship and "very happy." Good for her. We still spent a good bit of the night texting about local politics. Girls often come in and out of your life. A lot of the time your long term FWBs will speak highly of you, introduce you to other women, or still cheat on their boyfriend with you. I don't let any of it get to me. You can also always choose how much time you want to invest, dial it down, dial it up, whatever.

- Friendships with males and females are very different. Standard game rules apply to all females -- no lengthy text messages, displays of emotion, supportive texts, etc. However, using game tactics on men just pisses them off. I'll gladly send a dude a text like "Crush your interview today, brother! I'm prayin' for ya!" Provided that they're not emotional text walls, you can be pretty open with your male friends. Hell, I can talk on the phone for hours with my close male friends. Women? If the call goes for more than a few minutes I'm doing anything I can to make it end.

- Women are mostly entertainment oriented. Expect your friendship to be casual -- the talk will be mostly about restaurants, music, vacations, etc. If it turns to politics, it will inevitably become emotionally charged, especially if you dare criticize Planned Parenthood, LGBTQWTF, or Hillary Clinton. Don't expect loyalty, depth, or really much of anything. Once you're not fulfilling something for them, your friendship won't matter. You can pick her up at the airport 50 times, but the one day you're stranded and need a ride expect to hear ["it's too cold out"] ["I don't have money for gas"] ["Can't you just Uber?"] ["I just got in the bathtub, isn't Jake around?"] ["I would but my dog is sick"] ["I don't want to lose my parking spot"] ["I've already started drinking"] ["I already took off my bra and I'm in for the night"]

- Women are emotionally volatile, unpredictable, and vindictive if they feel slighted. Keep them at bay, and don't let them know too much about your affairs. If you get into a fight, their MO is to sabotage you both directly and indirectly. They'll talk to your friends, your FWBs, your business colleagues, etc. Men tend to engage in direct confrontations; women do it more indirectly over a period of time. You don't want too many women upset with you at any given time, because after awhile, it adds up. That's the same reason you don't want any women having dirt on you (though it doesn't even matter that much because they'll often just make shit up or tell half truths). Also, women love to gossip and stir up trouble to get attention.

- Learn to say "no." Otherwise, she's going to try and use you as a substitute boyfriend if you show any signs of betatude. Don't watch her dog, don't drive her to the airport, don't lend her money, don't lend her your car, and most certainly don't let her suck you into her problems (unless you feel like doing these things for some reason). None of it will get you laid, your wallet will be lighter, and that's time you could have spent doing stuff for yourself. Generosity is a great Christian virtue, but women (especially hot ones who are used to being handed everything), are experts at sucking lesser men dry.

- A man's social value is determined by the women he brings around. Want high value males to ask you about your business? Go to a networking event with a hot female. However, a fat / ugly chick will lower your value. It never hurts to be out and about with hot females, provided you're not acting like her bestie.

All in all, hot female acquaintances are fine, just don't bring them into your inner circle or expect much. However, they can be useful for raising your perceived social status and helping you infiltrate new social circles. You don't need to text them hours a day and like every single one of their Instagram posts to maintain a healthy friendship. Just keep it light and casual.

[Black Caesar]

SwayMe,

Just tell them that you’ll be out with friends and they should come join.

If you go a bit less direct on the open then it won’t be an issue.