[DigitalNomad]

@tr1cky - that's really good stuff. "if you can't find a girl by the end of the night, I'll buy you a beer buddy""hang in their buddy, I"m sure you'll find someone" ... that's gold.

(08-22-2018 12:48 AM)Contagion Wrote:  

I liked the Argentinian story, I'm surprised that didn't lead to a fight. Glad it all worked out in the end with you, but how in the hell did you avoid fighting with the Argentinian guy after he smashed something in front of your feet, late at night, when you were both drunk?

Also, working at a hostel seems like it would be right up your alley. I've seen average guys clean up working at them. From what you've posted on this thread about hooking up with 50+ 8's in a year, you're far above average. It would probably be like shooting fish in a barrel for you working at one.

Do you have any regions of the world in particular, where you're wanting to work in a hostel this winter?

It's definitely not 50+ 8's haha, maybe 10, idk I'd have to go look. Mostly 6-7s. (see below ) I've worked at hostels before, definitely makes your life easier in that regard. I don't even care so much about that at this point, just would keep me entertained and allow me to save a little money. It'll probably be central america this winter, not sure now that Nicaragua has gone to shit. Regarding the Argentinian, I think he realized he went too far and saw himself out at that point.

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+1, 7.5/10, 22 years old, canadian, 64 on the year.
One last quick update from Victoria- Sunday night I went on another Tinder date -gasp- two nights in a row. This was a girl I had superliked earlier in the week, but couldn't hang out until after a movie Sunday night. We met at a classy cocktail bar. I'd say we hit it off pretty well and had really good chemistry, but she needed to catch the last bus home. I wasn't letting her off the hook that easy, so I said I'd get her a cab at the end of the night... $12, fuck it. She is recently single and clearly rebounding, so I was starting to like my chances. Pulled my trademarked conversation about how pussy Canadian guys are out of the archives and it worked like a charm, then leaned in and made out with her. After a few drinks at the dive bar we bounced back to my hostel private room. LMR for literally 1-2 hours, eventually had her topless and she finally gave in. I actually would have loved to see this girl again, she was so cute, absolutely perfect body, and kind of nerdy/innocent with a good sense of humor. She had only ever slept with 2 guys, both LTRs, her whole life until 2 this week, so definitely caught her at the right time after a bad breakup.

Pretty fun being back in the Western World, the breakdown of "girls approached" / "girls slept with" has been just stupid, starting Wednesday two weeks ago: Wed: 1/2, Th: 0/2, Fri: 1/3, kissed 2/3 Sat: 1/1- day game, Sun: 0/0, Mon: 0/2- kissed 1/2, Tue- 0/0, Wed- 1/1, Thur- 0/2- kissed 2/2, Fri: 2/3, Sat: 1/1- tinder, Sun: 1/1- tinder. My pussy radar has been on it's game.

Time for a quick break with the family for a week, probably won't be anything happening until I get back to Toronto next Tuesday, barring something talent at the wedding this weekend.

Anyway- I know there's another thread out there for everyone to give their opinions, but I'll put mine on here since I've seen stuff in other threads about how guys who sleep with a certain amount of girls are only banging 5s, or how hostels don't have girls that are better than a 6. Here's an idea of my rankings.. it's only white girls because.. well, I think every story in here is about white girls. I pulled these all of random instagram accounts, tried to avoid celebrities/ established models, etc.. I'm into skinny and cute faces, so these might not satisfy the rankings of the t&a guys out there, but whatever, my thread, my rankings. I could only post 10 pics, so you gotta click some of the links.

1-2, let's not even go there.
3:
https://i.imgur.com/UNhS2pk.png
https://i.imgur.com/SQs4Mnd.png

4:
https://i.imgur.com/pAnqOOm.png

5-5.5:
https://i.imgur.com/0MscyTK.png
https://i.imgur.com/QjS1gfA.png

6-6.5:



https://i.imgur.com/eabhIz0.png - hot features, shitty what she did to herself
https://i.imgur.com/fP5Y4aW.png
https://i.imgur.com/bBk1uBs.png
https://i.imgur.com/xW7Wv0M.png


7-7.5:



https://i.imgur.com/kjX1Ea0.png

8:


https://i.imgur.com/S1RlQ0x.png
https://i.imgur.com/7ewUzfL.png
9-10:

https://i.imgur.com/JhrtzRY.png

[Black Caesar]

Always enjoy these updates. Glad you got some play in the bay cause everyone always says it’s way harder than it is there.

If a guy steps to you on a date it’s always best to just tool him in a friendly way like Trick was saying. I always use the WIA staple “oh you like her huh, ah man she is cute you should get after that”

Just calling him out on his sneaky ways is usually enough cause guys don’t know what to do with that. Works just as well coming in from the opposite side too

[Giacomo Casanova]

Quote:

Pretty fun being back in the Western World, the breakdown of "girls approached" / "girls slept with" has been just stupid, starting Wednesday two weeks ago: Wed: 1/2, Th: 0/2, Fri: 1/3, kissed 2/3 Sat: 1/1- day game, Sun: 0/0, Mon: 0/2- kissed 1/2, Tue- 0/0, Wed- 1/1, Thur- 0/2- kissed 2/2, Fri: 2/3, Sat: 1/1- tinder, Sun: 1/1- tinder. My pussy radar has been on it's game.

Great stuff as always DN. Hilarious the story of the orgy and the one when you stole the girl from a Tinder date.
Can you expand the subject mentioned above?
I have noticed as well easiness and fun when interacting with Western girls, especially if you have solid game and you operate with high energy.
How do you compare such results with the ones obtained in Russia or Poland?

[rishboy77]

Hey DN - I wanted to ask you if having a beard has hurt you the odd time getting a lay if the girl if not into that ?

Usually all things being equal a girl might go for the clean shaven guy over a beard I always thought and that's what makes your total bangs even more impressive.

[DigitalNomad]

(08-23-2018 06:08 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  

Quote:

Pretty fun being back in the Western World, the breakdown of "girls approached" / "girls slept with" has been just stupid, starting Wednesday two weeks ago: Wed: 1/2, Th: 0/2, Fri: 1/3, kissed 2/3 Sat: 1/1- day game, Sun: 0/0, Mon: 0/2- kissed 1/2, Tue- 0/0, Wed- 1/1, Thur- 0/2- kissed 2/2, Fri: 2/3, Sat: 1/1- tinder, Sun: 1/1- tinder. My pussy radar has been on it's game.

Great stuff as always DN. Hilarious the story of the orgy and the one when you stole the girl from a Tinder date.
Can you expand the subject mentioned above?
I have noticed as well easiness and fun when interacting with Western girls, especially if you have solid game and you operate with high energy.
How do you compare such results with the ones obtained in Russia or Poland?

I think it's just more effective in USA/Canada since there are no language barriers, good conversationalist with more common interests, more curious about well traveled people, and one night stands are such a standard practice. I've never been a spam approacher, normally just a couple approaches a night. I pick my targets well, and when all of the previously mentioned things are working in my favor it makes gaming pretty easy. Also I just realized I had that breakdown flipped around, it's "slept with"/"approached."

Looking forward to getting back to Toronto on Tuesday! Nothing to update from the time with my parents.

[Contagion]

I know I was one of the members on here to make a comment in this thread about the rankings of girls. Maybe that was a mistake to say something about you hooking up with 50+ 8's.

Because everybody's viewpoints on the whole ranking scale are different. So, it's kind of a dumb thing to try to scientifically measure because there is no scientific approach to it. A lot of times it depends on the personality of the girl too. Bad personality's can kill a vibe and your viewpoint of a person. Likewise, a great personality can really up the vibe and your viewpoint of a person.

I guess I could've phrased it better and said something about you hooking up with a lot of high quality girls, rather than phrasing it as you hooking up with 50+ 8's.

Looking forward to your hostel stories this winter. I know you're doing good financially, but you could probably get paid to party if you were leading pub crawls while you're working there. Normally they take everybody to the last club at around 2:00am or 3:00am anyways, and at that point people are free to do what they want, including the pub crawl leader.

[Winston Wolfe]

(08-19-2018 05:18 PM)DigitalNomad Wrote:  

Not in Toronto no. Regarding the bumble girl, that's probably the 4-5th time I've stolen a girl from a date like that. It's a bit deep into game, but it's actually pretty hard to fend off someone that is trying to steal your online app date. I normally approach it with how did you guys meet, when they say Bumble, reply something like "ohh that's cute, first date" "What was the opening message." Then just keep the conversation going. By default, he can't really get mad at you, or he'll look bad. If he's friendly, he'll look like a pussy. Realistically she has only known him a bit longer than you, so you are almost at par at that point.

I once did this without realizing. I arrived at a bar where I was meeting 2 friends (a guy with his girlfriend) and I found them talking to 3 other people I never met before: 2 girls and a guy. I just assumed they were mutual friends or random people they just met and it was a nice mixed group.

Usually night game isn't really my thing (I'm actually quite bad at it) but this time I was drunk and in the mood. I think I was in the bar for under an hour before I took her home, and the next morning I couldn't remember what happened so I asked her.

Apparently they were all going to play darts and when she was about to join them, I physically put her on a bar stool next to mine and said "nah you're staying here to talk to me" which got her wet.

Turns out the strange guy was her Tinder date. She told me he was looking at us flabbergasted when I did that, and I didn't even acknowledge him.

The thing is, I genuinely had no idea lol.

[DigitalNomad]

@winston wolfe, that guy definitely went home and cried himself to bed haha.

Updates from the 6ix- I've been telling people to go to Everleigh on Tuesdays, but in reality I had never actually been. If you do go, quick tip is to sign up for Guest List, it's free before 11:30pm, or $10 cover otherwise. It was a bit dead at 11:30 when we got there, but they have a free pool table so that'll kill the time. Overall it played out like most bars in Toronto, ratio is solid until 12:30 or so, no one is talking to the girls, then pandemonium for the last 1 1/2 hours. At midnight this pretty bad looking girl walked up and asked if her friends could play pool with us. Luckily she had a smoking hot 18 year old friend, out for the first time in Toronto and using her sister's ID to get in. She latched on immediately and we danced and madeout all night, could not get her away from her cockblock friend to save my life though. At 1:30 we bounced over to Warehouse. My friend started talking to 2 girls at a table near the bar, turns out they are on vacation from Switzerland (Italian part). We almost convinced them to come afterparty, but couldn't close the deal.

+1 7/10, 22 years old, romanian, 65 on the year
I went to the CS meetup to start the night.. it was bad even for CS standards. Maybe like 3 girls and 25 guys, not ideal. My friend sent me a picture from a nearby birthday get together and I noticed a cute skinny blonde with a massive rack in the picture. Sign me up. We hung out at the party drinking wine for a few hours, and about 2am the host was getting ready to go to bed, so my friend and I asked the blonde to come over for a few hours until she starts work. Had a few shots of Jaeger, my friend bounced, and next thing you know she was bent over my couch. Kind of didn't see that one going down, but she started getting really turned on from kissing her ears and she couldn't say no.

+1 7/10, swiss italian, 28 years old, 66 on the year
I planned to meet up with the previously mentioned swiss girl in the afternoon on Thursday, also really wasn't sure where I stood with her. We rented bikes, did a steamwhistle tour, hit the distillery district, and eventually bounced back to my house to "charge my phone and watch a movie." We had made out a bit during the day, but I wasn't getting anywhere at the apartment. Eventually she went into the bathroom, came out and told me to take my clothes off. It was funny, she could hardly stay wet when I was on top, but when she was on top she was an absolute freak. Definitely into being in control. She bounced at 11 so I gave Gracies a shot. It was absolutely rammed, but after 2 rounds with the Swiss girl and no friends, I couldn't be troubled with competing with 20 year old guys. Loaded up on poutine and made my way home.

Friday was solid, two girls grabbed me when I was walking in Ossington. An old colleague of mine bumped into us on the street and joined. We planned to grab some jerk chicken and go afterparty at his place. The girls were 100% on board, but he was just too drunk and couldn't keep his shit together. Wasted. The got in a cab and left, I biked around the city for a bit, tried to meet up with the Swiss girl but she was already headed home, so I called it a night.

[DigitalNomad]

Not a ton to update from Toronto.. mostly just been getting things in order, hitting the gym a bunch, and not partying much. As far as girls go, I have enough here that I've been doing repeats for the most part. There was +1, 67 on the year, 6/10, Canadian that I had met on Tinder ages ago. We snapped each other pretty scandalous stuff while I was in Europe for the summer so it was just a matter of time. She came straight over to my place.. not much more to add there.

Since I had the time, I thought I'd type a quick post up on my take on game and strategy when I'm out at night. I did buy Roosh's book, so I'll comment on my takeaways from that when I finish, but this was written before that.

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I think an underrated aspect of night game is not just making approaches, it's making the right approaches. Many, if not most of the times I go out, I'll make 1-3 approaches all night. While I would say my game is pretty decent, it's nowhere near as good as the ratio I normally pull. I think some people refer to it as Sniper Game. With that said, I'll give some tips on how I evaluate a bar and it's prospects and make my pulls. Keep in mind these are more pub/bar types than clubs, but some aspects still apply.

BODY LANGUAGE/CONFIDENCE: (55%)
First thing you can do is evaluate the body language of how people are interacting. Focus less on the ratio of the groups and more on the individual body language.

Which guys look confident? Have open body language and look to be the center of attention? That is your competition. There shouldn’t be more than a couple guys you have to worry about. Think about it, if the average guy sleeps with 10-20 girls in his life, what are the chances more than a few guys at the bar are actually going to pull a fresh girl that night. In reality, most guys have the goal of getting a number or a makeout, they don’t even realize they have the chance to go the distance.

Which girls are looking around the bar? Which ones are already flirting with guys? It’s little clues that make the easiest lays sometimes. When you a girl point you out to her friend and they both smile. Or a girl makes eye contact and smiles.

I was actually watching a Big Brother clip earlier (sue me!) where a girl gave her perspective:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7CQLntMv30&t=155
It’s actually worth watching a bit past that point, she talks about red flags that a lot of guys make.

Regarding body language, I highly recommend this book:
https://www.amazon.ca/What-Every-BODY-Sa...0061438294 It’s can be a bit dry, and there are other aspects of game more important in the beginning, but once you reach an intermediate level, this a good place to make less obvious gains.

This is as good of a thread as I’ve ever seen on here regarding body language, props to CleanSlate
thread-60035.html

There is also this gem if you haven’t seen it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBOtj1RmaUE

This guy also spits out some really good content in regards to body language and dealing with social interactions.. It’s worth a subscription.. Again very subtle quirks and mannerisms, but very informative with regards to not being AMOG’d.
https://www.youtube.com/user/CharismaMatrix/videos

Small body Language Tips:
-Hold you beer or drink to the side at your waste, not directly in front of your chest
-Keep your thumbs out of your pockets at all times, unless standing with the police officer pose with your thumbs hidden, but your hands pointed at your crotch
-If you are at the bar alone sitting at the bar, turn to one side and leave a gap between the chair to your right and you so people can order drinks next to you.. Easy opener to ask a girl what she’s drinking or whatever
-Keep an eye on feet, they are the most honest part of your body.. They will point at you typically if a girl is interested
-Keep your chin up and smile (smile with your eyes as well)

After reading Models, I 100% bought into the style of game where you are honest and vulnerable. Say what’s on your mind and don’t concern yourself with what other think. Too many guys are so fake when they are talking to girls.. My personal belief is there really aren’t any situations where lying is better than honesty. If you don’t want to answer something, that’s fine, but lying is just compensating for insecurities. If there is something you can’t be honest about, work on your life to make it so you can answer that question honestly. Even with age, I have a friend who is 46 who used to lie and say he was 30-35 for years.. Last year I convinced him to start saying his actual age and he said it’s one of the best things he ever did. And don’t be concerned, he’s still banging hot 20 year olds.

**Dealing with SJWs: My strategy here is to normally say something along the lines of “I agree with equal pay and opportunity and what not, but I think there is still a role for men and a role for women in society” Whether you believe it or not, this normally at least quells them and lets them know that you are a man and won’t deal with all of their BS. If you are really pro-Trump, it serves you no good in the Western World to make your views obviously known. I mean sometimes it’s fun just fucking with girls about it, I rock a MAGA hat occasionally for the entertainment, but if your goal is to get laid, it’s not in your benefit to hammer that point into the ground. I’m referring more to the wanna be SJWs in cities like Toronto, San Francisco, etc, where the men have become pretty beta.. If a girl is a hard core “you need permission to flirt” kind of SJW, I’m not going to waste my time of day.

STYLE/LOOKS: 20%
In University you can get away with dressing like a slob, but as you get older, and the older girls you are trying to go for, it will become way more difficult. Additionally, as you get older, dressing well helps you get the younger girls. So basically, it never hurts to dress better.

Dressing Tips:
Don't wear team athletic team gear, it doesn't have to be something fancy, but get some nice t-shirts, sweaters, well fitting jeans and decent shoes.
Try to get something a little better than your competition.. if you go to a college campus and everyone is wearing Northface and boat shoes, wear a little dressier jacket and some nice dress shoes. I remember a few years ago at an southern college campus, I pulled one girl at 11pm, went back out and pulled another at 2am.. Both opened me saying I had a nice jacket. It was nothing that expensive or fancy, just something that was way nicer than anything a college kid wears. Another example is I was out in a rural Minnesota town a few weeks ago, I had a decent sweater on and jeans, nothing special, but all the locals were wearing hunting gear and trucker hats. The guys were chirping me for my sweater, the girls were opening me because of it.

Regarding both of the above, if you work on body language and dressing/style, you can basically go up a point or two. Combine that with good game and in reality you don’t have that much competition at the bar.

Confidence is hard to teach, but if your style improves and your body language looks more confident, eventually you actual confidence will increase as well. Fake it til you make it is true. You’ll know you’ve made it when you start noticing girls ask “How are you so confident.”

INTELLIGENCE: 5%
This is a slightly underrated aspect of game IMO. Also probably one that isn’t quite as controllable. I’d would say the guys I know that are best at gaming are all pretty intelligent guys… almost all entrepreneurs. I only read non-fiction and listen to podcasts when I’m out walking, in the metro, or in the shower. Most people don’t use that time to improve much but it’s a actually big percentage of your day. You can listen to podcasts like Startalk, Planet Money, Hardcore History, etc and learn about what’s happening in the world. Do a quick googlenews check in the morning and see what is happening. Personally I listen to the Philip Defranco show every day, he gives a pretty good unbiased review of the biggest stories of the day.

POTENTIAL OPENERS:
I only use a few openers, unless there is something really situational that is worthy of an exception
-”Hey how’s your night going?”
-”You seem like a third wheel over here”
-”Where’s your drink? It’s a Friday night, time to party!”

Keep it simple! .

From there I’ll take it into a bit of conversation, not long, a few minutes of small talk. Then I’ll say something along lines of “you’re really cute, I like your ____.” Customize it, eyes, smile, laugh, etc. A lot of times I’ll say something like, “yeah I saw you earlier when I was talking with my friend and I knew I had to come say hi at some point.” If you did a good job dressing and with your body language up to that point, you’d be surprised how many times they’ll respond with “I noticed you to.”

BE A GOOD KISSER 10%
I don’t really know how you get better at this without have a girl teach you, but I really can’t overstate how important this is. It is such an important thing for ONS because in a girls brain, if you can kiss well you can fuck well. While “less is more” can be an argument for kisses at bars, I would say less time is more for sure, but show some of your cards at least, use a little tongue and a little biting. Show them you know what you are doing. Later on test out a little hair pulling and choking, but not too much. Hair pulling normally goes over well, choking is hit and miss so don’t be too aggressive, but when it hits, those girls are almost always DTF. Those are the ones you fuck in the bathroom if you want, some get so turned on.

DO NOT JUDGE 10%
Turn the conversation sexual and do not, under any circumstance, judge. If you are non judgemental and are confident enough, you can take the conversation anywhere. Last week I had a 4 some with a married couple and a young girl from the bar, had 2 Tinder dates the next 2 nights, told both about the 4some within the first 10 minutes of the date, and had both back at my apartment later in each of the respective nights. I would say at some point in the night, most of my pulls get asked when the last time they had sex was, if they’ve ever had a threesome, what their sluttiest stories are, etc. One caution note here is that I am white, I think brown guys would have a harder time getting overtly sexual without coming across as a bit creepy unfortunately. Regardless, as soon as your reply to her in a non accepting way, even subtly, you are going to be in trouble. If a girl does give me shit, I just act baffled and say “I honestly don’t know how these things happen to me, I was just going out to grab a beer by myself and next thing you know.”

The PULL:
First off, you need to win the friends over. If the girl is single and she likes you, many times her friends will be rooting for her to get laid. I’d say this starts more often around 20 years old, 18/19 y/o westerns can be more protective over their girlfriends. In EE/Scandy this is pushed back, so not to much to worry about typically with 18 year olds. If the friend is also single, help her find a guy. Ask her what her type is or to point to a guy she thinks is cute then be a wingman. What guy doesn’t like getting introduced to a girl who already thinks he’s hot, that a gift. Depending on the girl, my pulls can range anywhere from “let’s go grab a drink at my place” to “I want to fuck you, let’s go back to my place.”

Don't give the perception that you are expecting sex if she's hesitant to come back. Much of the time I'll use something like "Let's just do a drink and listen to music, I'm really not expecting anything when we go back, I am enjoying hanging out with you and I don't want the night to end yet" or "I'd be more than happy just to cuddle with you, we don't need to have sex or anything." It might sound beta from the outside, but it'll help comfort the girl if she's not a raging slut, and most of the time she'll end up sleeping with you anyway. Once you do get her shirt off, it's a good time to throw in a compliment, "you have the sexiest body," "you're fucking hot," something like that, because so many girls are really self conscious about their bodies. You want to make them feel wanted.

Sometimes the best information you can get to improve is after you sleep with a girl. Just for fun, ask a girl when she decided she wanted to sleep with you. This provides an insight into her brain and could range from the minute you started talking to her, to when you said something sexual, to she didn’t think she was going to until she got in bed with you. You’ll probably start to notice a trend with this and you can adjust your game accordingly. This is also a good time to bring up threesomes… ask her if she’s ever had one, if she would prefer MMF or FFM.. if she says no and FFM, throw it out that and say we should try to have one. Make it a competition on who can pick up the 2nd girl better (let her win).

If you notice in the Toronto threads, many people shit on the venues I go to as being divey, too small, not enough girls, too cliquey, etc… with the game I have it only takes one, so if there are 2-3 good looking girls and I can scout out the target one early enough in the night and make my move before the drunk guys get approach friendly, it’s really not rocket science. It’s definitely not a type of game you want to start your career with, because you only can get tight enough game for sniping if you’ve been through 100s or 1000s of sets that failed and gained the experience to navigate from beginning to end.

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I also planned out the rest of my year:
October: Mostly Krakow, a few days in Prague
Nov: A few days in Bratislava, 3 weeks SPB, 1 week Tallinn
Dec: 2 weeks in Madrid

Hit me up if anyone will be around!

[RoadTo100]

(09-13-2018 11:55 AM)DigitalNomad Wrote:  

Since I had the time, I thought I'd type a quick post up on my take on game and strategy when I'm out at night. I did buy Roosh's book, so I'll comment on my takeaways from that when I finish, but this was written before that.

Damn this is a great post, DN. Your perspective is different than most game advice online. As someone who considers himself intermediate (2 years of studying game, estimated ~500 - 1000 night game approaches, 70 notches via all game methods), these tips are GOLD.

Using Roosh's new terminology from "Game", you allocate the "pre-minute" attraction at 75% of your success (body language, confidence, style) and "post-minute attraction at 25% of your success (intelligent/witty conversation, kissing skills, non-judgemental demeanor)...

In particular, just knowing that those 3 openers are your go-tos is incredibly valuable. Interestingly, I'd posit that 2 of them actually *are* situational (albeit very common situations):

”You seem like a third wheel over here” (situational)
”Where’s your drink? It’s a Friday night, time to party!” (situational)
”Hey how’s your night going?” (default)

Similarly, the theme is always you being in a "higher state" (AKA you are having more fun than them, and offering them an opportunity to come up to your level). A similar line situational line would be at post-2am when girls start to drink water to call them out on it "Water at 2am?!? I thought you looked like you could party!". Or if the girl is seated, the similar "Tired of dancing already?!? It's only 1:30!". Stuff like that.

So it's kind of like:

1.) High energy opener (or neutral worst case w/ the universal "Hey how’s your night going?")
2.) Brief, few minute small talk to build comfort (& ideally showcase yourself as interesting guy, which is easy for you with your constant traveling)
3.) *** Turn the conversation sexual w/ a direct compliment *** and go from there
4.) Kiss

Personally, up until now, step 3 has been not-so-deliberate from me, sometimes the conversation organically turns sexual, sometimes it turns into a bore-fest if I accidentally talk about something intellectual, or my job, etc... But you consciously knowing, "by ~X minutes in I need to drop a direct compliment", is an incredibly valuable tip which I plan to try out.

What you didn't mention, which I would be very interested to hear, is your philosophy on touching and eye contact between steps #2 - 4. To me, those 2 things are my "tools of the trade" to build attraction in anticipation for the kiss, rather than driving the actual conversation in a sexual direction. So I'd really like to hear what you consciously think about with regards to touching & eye contact, while in the midst of a pick up.

[RoadTo100]

edit - dupe

[RDF]

DN that is a good post man. One of the better game posts that I've seen.

Would be curious if you have any further input on working her friends. That is probably my biggest hurdle in nightgame. Most of my non-social circle nightgame pulls happen when either 1) I'm with a wing, we meet a group, and he takes one while I take the other, or 2) I meet her when she's alone for a moment (ie: at bar, walking from bathroom to friend group) and keep her that way until we're heading to my spot. There's some cases when the friend is rooting for her to get laid, but truth be told, even if a chick is into it, in ~80% of cases when her friend comes into the interaction, I'm probably taking an L... either the friend is taken, they both have to be up tomorrow, etc.

Do you think your relative ease in dealing with the friends comes from your interactions once the friend comes into the picture, or is it that you're screening chicks who seem to be more party girl types where the friend wouldn't really give a shit?

[DigitalNomad]

(09-13-2018 06:25 PM)RoadTo100 Wrote:  

What you didn't mention, which I would be very interested to hear, is your philosophy on touching and eye contact between steps #2 - 4. To me, those 2 things are my "tools of the trade" to build attraction in anticipation for the kiss, rather than driving the actual conversation in a sexual direction. So I'd really like to hear what you consciously think about with regards to touching & eye contact, while in the midst of a pick up.

Thanks man! Eye contact and confidence go hand in hand. I don't know the percentage of eye contact I make during a pickup but I would guess 85% or so. It is also directly related to the non-judgement part of the conversations because you can't flinch no matter what she tells you, you hold eye contact and smile. I definitely build the comfort through touching. Nothing super fast or slow, just whatever feels natural. Many times, if I know instinctively that I have it in the bag, I won't even both going for a kiss at the bar. If I'm not sure and want to get her turned on, or if I'm in a place like Canada where guys can hesitate to make moves, I'll go for a good passionate kiss, but not linger too long. I would say at this point it's almost subconscious though.. unless I feel an interaction slipping away from me, then I'll test the waters to see where I'm at.

With regards to your other comments, I would say the pre-minute, post-minute break down is accurate to a point. The part it doesn't account for is the confidence/body language part is both pre-minute and post-minute. It might help catch her attention, but it'll hold it once we start a conversation as well. As far as post-minute, I think my strength I will never really do anything to hurt my chances.. this is where charisma is a unmeasurable factor as well.. If I do something to fuck it up, it's one of 3 reasons... 1: I hit cross the line with a joke that hits home for her for one reason or another 2: I just feel like fucking with her 3: I drank to much.

With the openers situation is definitely my preference.. and when you point it out they are a bit neggy.. another one would be "you look lost." I never really noticed they were higher state openers, but good observation. Another one I use when travelling is "Hey, do you speak English." I think regardless, openers aren't that important, just opening in general is.

(09-13-2018 08:37 PM)RDF Wrote:  

DN that is a good post man. One of the better game posts that I've seen.

Would be curious if you have any further input on working her friends. That is probably my biggest hurdle in nightgame. Most of my non-social circle nightgame pulls happen when either 1) I'm with a wing, we meet a group, and he takes one while I take the other, or 2) I meet her when she's alone for a moment (ie: at bar, walking from bathroom to friend group) and keep her that way until we're heading to my spot. There's some cases when the friend is rooting for her to get laid, but truth be told, even if a chick is into it, in ~80% of cases when her friend comes into the interaction, I'm probably taking an L... either the friend is taken, they both have to be up tomorrow, etc.

Do you think your relative ease in dealing with the friends comes from your interactions once the friend comes into the picture, or is it that you're screening chicks who seem to be more party girl types where the friend wouldn't really give a shit?

Thanks for the kind words! So ideally I have one or two of my good wings out with me. There are a few.. and I mean a few.. like 6 guys in the world, where when we go out together we can't be stopped and have some sort of ESP between us. That said, obviously situation 1 and 2 you said are the ideal ones. If her friend is her roommate, that normally isn't such a bad thing, although then you should shift to going back to their place. "What are y'all up to after this, let's go have a drink together." Like I said in the post above, you can ask her friend "where is you guy tonight" -I don't have one "Let's find you one, whats your type?" Then grab a random dude that she likes, tell him there's a girl that wants to meet him, then just introduce them "Alex, this a is Erin, Erin, Alex. Erin thinks you are cute" Then turn away and and go back to your girl and leave them awkwardly starting a conversation together... that's surprisingly effective and basically works the same as going out with a wing. If they both have to me up early you probably weren't going to succeed anyway, that's a good filtering question early in conversation so you don't waste you time to find out she has class at 7am.

I wouldn't say it's ease in dealing with friends, but after being cockblocked dozens or 100s of times, you start to learn how to maneuver around them a bit. Think of a street magician who knows something went wrong in his trick. He will typically have a bunch of outs to steer the trick where he needs it to go, sometimes resulting in an even better trick than he was intending (in dealing with cockblocks, this would be a threesome or something) Relevant video I was watching this morning
Obviously there are tons of times still where there is nothing you can do, but minimizing those situations is the goal.

[LexisNexis]

(09-13-2018 11:55 AM)DigitalNomad Wrote:  

I think an underrated aspect of night game is not just making approaches, it's making the right approaches. Many, if not most of the times I go out, I'll make 1-3 approaches all night. While I would say my game is pretty decent, it's nowhere near as good as the ratio I normally pull. I think some people refer to it as Sniper Game. With that said, I'll give some tips on how I evaluate a bar and it's prospects and make my pulls. Keep in mind these are more pub/bar types than clubs, but some aspects still apply.

BODY LANGUAGE/CONFIDENCE: (55%)
First thing you can do is evaluate the body language of how people are interacting. Focus less on the ratio of the groups and more on the individual body language.

Which guys look confident? Have open body language and look to be the center of attention? That is your competition. There shouldn’t be more than a couple guys you have to worry about. Think about it, if the average guy sleeps with 10-20 girls in his life, what are the chances more than a few guys at the bar are actually going to pull a fresh girl that night. In reality, most guys have the goal of getting a number or a makeout, they don’t even realize they have the chance to go the distance.

Which girls are looking around the bar? Which ones are already flirting with guys? It’s little clues that make the easiest lays sometimes. When you a girl point you out to her friend and they both smile. Or a girl makes eye contact and smiles.

I was actually watching a Big Brother clip earlier (sue me!) where a girl gave her perspective:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7CQLntMv30&t=155
It’s actually worth watching a bit past that point, she talks about red flags that a lot of guys make.

Regarding body language, I highly recommend this book:
https://www.amazon.ca/What-Every-BODY-Sa...0061438294 It’s can be a bit dry, and there are other aspects of game more important in the beginning, but once you reach an intermediate level, this a good place to make less obvious gains.

This is as good of a thread as I’ve ever seen on here regarding body language, props to CleanSlate
thread-60035.html

There is also this gem if you haven’t seen it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBOtj1RmaUE

This guy also spits out some really good content in regards to body language and dealing with social interactions.. It’s worth a subscription.. Again very subtle quirks and mannerisms, but very informative with regards to not being AMOG’d.
https://www.youtube.com/user/CharismaMatrix/videos

Small body Language Tips:
-Hold you beer or drink to the side at your waste, not directly in front of your chest
-Keep your thumbs out of your pockets at all times, unless standing with the police officer pose with your thumbs hidden, but your hands pointed at your crotch
-If you are at the bar alone sitting at the bar, turn to one side and leave a gap between the chair to your right and you so people can order drinks next to you.. Easy opener to ask a girl what she’s drinking or whatever
-Keep an eye on feet, they are the most honest part of your body.. They will point at you typically if a girl is interested
-Keep your chin up and smile (smile with your eyes as well)

Interesting breakdown. What do you do if you find that none of the girls in the venue(s) you're in for the night are giving these signs of actively looking around and giving you eyes? You just stand around doing nothing by the bar? Or just call it a night at the end?

[DigitalNomad]

(09-14-2018 12:08 AM)LexisNexis Wrote:  

Interesting breakdown. What do you do if you find that none of the girls in the venue(s) you're in for the night are giving these signs of actively looking around and giving you eyes? You just stand around doing nothing by the bar? Or just call it a night at the end?

If that happens I'll either switch venues or talk to girls that aren't showing interest. But for the most part there are normally at least a couple girls at the venues I go to.

And on that note:

+1 7/10, 22 years old, canadian, 68 on the year
I really wasn't planning to go out last night and no one was getting back to me, but I was pretty pumped up after a good nap and gym session, so I figured I'd hit the old reliable Grace O'Malley's. Got there at 10:30 or so, just beating the crowd. I was posted up at the bar drinking straight out of the pitcher and a cute girl in a group of 4 opened me. We chatted a bit, but I didn't really pursue it too hard. Around 30 minutes later another girl with absolutely massive boobs opened me saying she was too old for this bar. I laughed and said if your too old, I'm definitely too old.. she was 22 haha. She asked who I was her with, I said no one... so she invited me back to her table, 2 other girls and 2 guys. We were making out before long and at closing time she went home with her friends, I got in my own cab, but she promised she'd order and uber the second she was home. Of course she fell asleep, not before a few naked snapchats, but promised she'd be here before her class today. Sure enough she texted when she woke up and came straight over, just left for class. She just broke up with her boyfriend this week, so I should be locked in as her rebound for the next 2 weeks til I leave.

[Trent W.]

DN solid value in your posts. In general, I agree with your sniper game philosophy. It also seems that you have found a way to present yourself that does you wonders. Plus, you've built an interesting lifestyle, I believe we sometimes underestimate how important it is for your confidence specifically to be doing things that can improve other areas of life and not directly game.

The book on body language is gold, I read it a few years back. I'd also like to second the non-judgemental mentality. I was never a person that minded so much what others were doing. Occasionally though I would fall in this trap. Until a friend once said "Don't judge what others are doing, they want the same thing as you". Since then it's become one of my mottos so I'm sharing it here for those who may also find themselves being a bit resentful at times.

When it comes to opening I like making observational or situational statements, preferably, or questions. But a simply "Hi" works just as well, after all it's what you say after hello that matters.

Btw, how do you maintain your fitness when you're out traveling?

[Sender]

Gotta say I'm finding this to be a great thread. Picking up a wealth of good info here. Cheers OP.

[pancakemouse]

(08-22-2018 02:39 AM)DigitalNomad Wrote:  

Anyway- I know there's another thread out there for everyone to give their opinions, but I'll put mine on here since I've seen stuff in other threads about how guys who sleep with a certain amount of girls are only banging 5s, or how hostels don't have girls that are better than a 6. Here's an idea of my rankings.. it's only white girls because.. well, I think every story in here is about white girls. I pulled these all of random instagram accounts, tried to avoid celebrities/ established models, etc.. I'm into skinny and cute faces, so these might not satisfy the rankings of the t&a guys out there, but whatever, my thread, my rankings. I could only post 10 pics, so you gotta click some of the links.

Your rating scale mirrors mine almost exactly. I've never seen that with any other guy. It's uncanny.

[DigitalNomad]

@coresega that's funny, within my close group of friends there are a couple guys that have almost an identical scale. Then I have friends that wouldn't touch the girls I say are a 7, but the girls they are banging I wouldn't want to be seen at a bar with.. funny how it can differ from guy to guy.

@sender cheers man, thanks.

@trent For fitness, I've been slacking this year, just got back into it the past few weeks. Typically I'll do day passes at gyms... normally $5-10, or if I'm somewhere a week or longer it's normally worth paying for a monthly pass. Even when I'm not hitting the gym, I walk everywhere when I'm travelling so that helps.

+1, 7/10, ukrainian, 69 on the year
I was out at Bier Markt with a married friend.. basically just catching up with him, not really focusing on girls at all. He went to get us a drink and this blonde girl came walking up to me and told me to come meet her friends. She was trying to wing for her friend, but I was more into her. Eventually we left for Office pub since it was open til 4am that night. 3 of her friends left, but 2 of them came with. Eventually the friend started making out with a random at the bar and when the bar closed I suggested an after party at my place. By that point a girl I had been banging came to the bar as well, so it was 2 random guys from the bar, the 2 girls from Bier Markt, my married friend and my fuck buddy. I was sitting on the couch with the Ukrainian and the repeat and got them making out with each other, as well as making out with both of them myself. If I had an extra bedroom it probably would have turned into a threesome, but there were just too many people. Her friend had already made out with both of the random dudes from the bar, so things were getting weird. Anyway, when my fuckbuddy went to smoke, I took the Ukrainian into my room. It was kind of an awkward exit back into the living room 15 minutes later. Somehow I managed to convince the repeat to spend the night and slept with her once the other girls left.

Wednesday night I met a cute Finnish girl at a CS meetup, made out with her a bit but she had a 9am interview so we parted ways. No luck Thursday at Gracies, but I didn't put a ton of effort in.

+1, 6.5/10, canadian, 70 on the year
A few months ago I went to Croc Rock on a Wednesday and opened up a set of 3. I could tell one was really into me, but her friends weren't going to let it happen so after a few minutes I got her IG and parted ways. We've messaged here and there over the past few months, but never managed to actually meet up. We tentatively planned to go for a drink last night, but the night got too late and it was basically last call. Somehow I managed to convince her to come straight over to my place, ordered her an uber from the bar she was at 15 minutes later she was at my door. We took a shot, had a glass of wine, and I had her in bed about 30 minutes later.

[Cam Newton]

Hey DN, good shit as usual. I wanted to get your opinion on becoming a pub crawl tour guide. Both for game reasons and non-game reasons. Being a pub crawl tour guide obviously would bring some local status, and authority, that would help with game. That being said, you’d need to be discrete and pick your targets wisely since it may be against the company policy to hook up with customers.

I did meet one pub crawl tour guide in Portugal who hooked up with a customer and ended up marrying her.

[DigitalNomad]

(09-24-2018 06:03 PM)Cam Newton Wrote:  

Hey DN, good shit as usual. I wanted to get your opinion on becoming a pub crawl tour guide. Both for game reasons and non-game reasons. Being a pub crawl tour guide obviously would bring some local status, and authority, that would help with game. That being said, you’d need to be discrete and pick your targets wisely since it may be against the company policy to hook up with customers.

I did meet one pub crawl tour guide in Portugal who hooked up with a customer and ended up marrying her.

For game reasons it's good, and for non game reasons, assuming you are going out a decent amount, it's also good. You'll want to find one where the guides are allowed to drink... I'd say most have a policy where the guides drink free. Most also don't have a policy on hooking up with the customers, but you typically would have to wait until the final stop, as you don't want to be seen as the cockblock for the other customers... that said, if you game is tight, the girl will wait for the guide most of the time... if you read my pub crawl data sheet you'll notice that is one of the reasons I try to bounce the girl before the final stop. I definitely wouldn't want to be a guide at one with no hookup or no drinking policies. I'd also find one that does an hour of free drinks at the beginning, those tend to be the most fun ones. Also it's ideal if you can pull off a high energy, what Roosh describes as clown game. The good guides are loud, get lots of games going, and promote a really fun atmosphere.

One of the best ones I think to work at would be Buenos Aires.. the guides get free drinks and they can work any day they want. It's worth being a guide there if you are going to be there any time at all, because any night you want free beer/wine you can just lead the pub crawl. The guys I know that have done it have all pulled basically at will, many times into threesomes and stuff like that

[DigitalNomad]

Well it's been a hot minute, mostly been connecting with friends and enjoying my time in the USA. I spent a week in Nashville, got +3 (dutch, american, american) there, one of the easiest cities in the world IMO. One was from the hostel, the other 2 were from bars. One thing with that city is you have to be flexible with your pulls, as normally you are dealing with 3+ friends. I went back with a group of 4 one night and we hooked up on the pull out couch. One night to note, which actually didn't end up in a lay was some gutter game on the way back to my hostel. One of the most important things in game is to not get jealous or assume the girl belongs to you just because you've been hanging out with her. I opened a 4 set on a street corner, 2 guys and 2 girls. The girls were friendly and almost immediately, one of the guys got mad and left in a cab. The other one was complaining about how the girls just met me and were talking to me, inviting us all to go back to their place. The girl looks and him and says "I literally met you 3 hours ago as well." I went back with the 2 girls and was thinking a threesome might be going down, the one was giving me a hand job when we were making out, but unfortunately the girl who lives at the apartment unexpectedly told them she was coming home and they weren't supposed to have guests.

I took a couple nights of rest in Tampa, then drove to my old university for a football game. Thursday night was a young crowd, but at one PM I went to switch bars and saw a girl outside that looked a bit sad.

+1, 7/10, 20 years old, 74 on the year
I said hey and said she looks sad. Apparently the guy she likes was making out with another girl, so I suggested we bounce to one of the dive bars and do a drink. Ordered a shot and a vodka soda for each of us and we chatted a bit. She asked where I was staying, I told her I don't really have a place to stay, worst case at my fraternity house. She said she lives nearby, I asked her for a tour of her house and she said that'll probably happen. She asked if I had a condom, I said yep. We didn't even finish half of the vodka sodas before we bounced back to her place. Maybe 20 minutes from meeting her. Friday and Saturday were more about hanging out with my old friends, since I hadn't seen many of them in 6+ years. The gameday saturday was unbelievable though. It was maybe 4:1 girls to guys, all looking great in their gameday attire. I had to make the conscious decision to not get laid and go to the football game... the game ended up being one of the best I've ever been to, and that's a lot harder to experience than a 20 year college girl, so no regrets. One thing I'll note, drugs are way more common at my school now than they were back in the day... that combined with IG, Snapchat, and dating apps... it's like a completely different experience, for the worse. I'm glad I made it to my mid 20s before starting any of that stuff.

Off to Krakow tonight, that'll be the next 3 weeks so I'm sure there will be some good stories coming soon.

[DigitalNomad]

Krakow continues to be one of my favorite cities in the world. I've been hanging out with quite a few guys from the forum and we've had some good nights out.

+1, german, 6.5/10, 20 years old, 75 on the year
I met a group of germans at one of the cheap student bars the first night I was out here. We ended up going to a salsa speakeasy bar that basically resembled someone's apartment. It was just me with 5 germans and a spanish girl, and at least 3 of them seemed interested. Unfortunately the spanish girl got too drunk and the hottest german girl took her home. I ended up at the dorm room of the 2nd hottest one, not the end of the world.

+1, polish, 22 years old, 6/10, 76 on the year
These ones were easy pickings. Thursday night we were doing some gutter game and met 2 girls on a corner. Hopped in a cab maybe 5 minutes later and my buddy had one downstairs, while I was on the other on the couch upstairs probably 45 minutes after that. This is pretty much the perfect city for approaches like that because all the bars are within 10 mins walking of each other, and most likely your apartment.

+1, greek flag acquired, 24 years old, 7/10, 77 on the year
This was a bit ironic because I was just telling my friend I had never been with a greek girl. There were 2 girls ordering drinks at one of the cheap student bars that we approached maybe a minute later, both turned out to be greek. They were in a group which made it a bit tougher, but I convinced her to stay when all the friends left. We eventually bounced back to my apartment, then she left and met back up with her friends before the night was over.

+2, irish 7/10, 19 year old and polish 6/10, 26 years old, 78 and 79 on the year
The irish girls we had met the previous Tuesday and easily could have taken them home that night had my friend been in a better mood and not ditched us. 2 were hot, 2 weren't. I was 3 way making out with 1 of the hot ones and one of the less good looking ones. They invited me back to the apartment, but the hottest one, who I had originally been flirting with, got jealous and didn't let the other 2 bring me back. Couldn't convince them to come to my place either. On Thursday, the ugliest one hit me up to come meet up with them. I was shielding them from the other lame dudes at the club and decided to give it another shot with the hot one. Eventually they all ended up at my apartment. This time I convinced the hottest one to stay for a bit. She left at 1am to go back to her apartment, as they had an early flight the next day. My friend had just gone out at that point so I went to meet up with him. At the previously mentioned cheap student bar later in the night, I met a decent looking polish girl who invited me back to her place. After one round at night and 3 rounds in the morning, I finally got back to my place at 3pm.

I can't even recall how many close calls we've had the last 2 weeks. One night we had 2 girls back to the apartment but one wouldn't let the other cheat on her bf, even though they were both down. When they say Poland is the land of the 6s-7s, that's not wrong. It's pretty rare to see a stunner, and many times if you do she's actually Ukrainian.. tons of them here these days. Every night is as good of a party as most cities on a Friday. If you like Spanish girls, there are a ton of them here on Erasmus as well. The weekdays are much more enjoyable for me, the weekends definitely get tarnished by the stag parties. Overall, still probably my 2nd favorite city after SPB.

One more weekend in Krakow, then I'm headed to Prague/Bratislava next week.

[OnlySightseeing]

Nice thread! I’m wondering if you could perhaps post some pictures. You know, to enhance the stories. Like some selfies of you with each girl, not too much, perhaps arm around her shoulder and perhaps some photos of all the wonderful locations you travel to. You would have to obscure the eyes or something to abide by this forums rules, of course, but it would definitely enhance the tales, wouldn’t you agree?

[zatara]

Good updates as usual DN!

(10-24-2018 04:13 AM)OnlySightseeing Wrote:  

Nice thread! I’m wondering if you could perhaps post some pictures. You know, to enhance the stories. Like some selfies of you with each girl, not too much, perhaps arm around her shoulder and perhaps some photos of all the wonderful locations you travel to. You would have to obscure the eyes or something to abide by this forums rules, of course, but it would definitely enhance the tales, wouldn’t you agree?

This is a terrible idea. Posting anything that helps identify either DN or the girls, blurred eyes or not, is just asking for trouble.