[InjunJoe95]

Hey Everyone,

I'm sure I'm the 119715th person to ask this but I'm having a hard time finding an identical thread, so here goes:

I just finished reading Bang today. In this book and lots of other material I read, the traditional advice is to cut girls loose if they don't put out by the third date and move on. This makes sense because you don't want to look desperate. Roosh agrees that you'll probably lose more conservative girls this way, but it's worth it because you free yourself up to find easier girls. But what if you desire a more conservative girl? Maybe one who was brought up really religious, to not put out until she has a big ol' rock on her finger? I know I'm not aalone, because I've seen lots of guys here that will not even consider a girl for an LTR unless she's a virgin.

What would your guys strategies be with such women? When do you not want to give off a player vibe? How do you modify your game? How do you appear desirable while also not scaring her away? Thanks.

[Baphomet]

(01-03-2017 09:02 PM)InjunJoe95 Wrote:  

Hey Everyone,

I'm sure I'm the 119715th person to ask this but I'm having a hard time finding an identical thread, so here goes:

I just finished reading Bang today. In this book and lots of other material I read, the traditional advice is to cut girls loose if they don't put out by the third date and move on. This makes sense because you don't want to look desperate. Roosh agrees that you'll probably lose more conservative girls this way, but it's worth it because you free yourself up to find easier girls. But what if you desire a more conservative girl? Maybe one who was brought up really religious, to not put out until she has a big ol' rock on her finger? I know I'm not aalone, because I've seen lots of guys here that will not even consider a girl for an LTR unless she's a virgin.

What would your guys strategies be with such women? When do you not want to give off a player vibe? How do you modify your game? How do you appear desirable while also not scaring her away? Thanks.

InjunJoe95,

You are asking this question for one of two reasons, to wit:

1. You are one of the many December Trolls. (Your comment about not considering an LTR with anyone but a virgin supports this reason. Many men here have voiced support in finding very low notch count girls or virgins for WIVES.)

2. You do not have your objectives straight.

We'll proceed here assuming #2.

If your OBJECTIVE is to find a girl to marry and raise children with, NOW, then your actions will be substantially different than if you're looking for mere casual sex.

BOTH circumstances still require Game, but your frame will be different.

So what are your OBJECTIVES?

[InjunJoe95]

My objective is to find a girl who makes good LTR material. I am asking noob questions on the noobie forum, because I am a noob. Forgive me.

[InjunJoe95]

I should have said wives instead of LTRs tho, sorry.

[Baphomet]

(01-03-2017 09:32 PM)InjunJoe95 Wrote:  

My objective is to find a girl who makes good LTR material. I am asking noob questions on the noobie forum, because I am a noob. Forgive me.

Ok. Some additional information would be helpful. Age? Current living status? Current experience level? (Notch count.) Are you looking to get married and have children in the near future?

[Rhyme or Reason]

Start by knocking the so called 'conservative girl' off that mile-high pedestal. I say this because to put it simply, you aren't ready for one.

In order to accurately identify a girl as what you consider your type, ie a conservative, possibly religious girl who will make good LTR material, you will need far more experience than you have at this time.

What will end up happening in all likelihood is you will mistakenly get into an LTR with a slut who knows how to put on a good front.

So it's in your best interests to go out there and get some bangs under your belt. Once you've accrued enough experience dealing with women in general you will be a better judge of the female character and have better chances at finding what you seek.

[InjunJoe95]

Age 21. I live at college. 0 notched. I don't see me getting married at having children VERY soon, but I would like to know how to go about it when the time is right.

[Rhyme or Reason]

^ College chicks aren't looking for LTRs necessarily. I get that's a blanket statement but on the whole it's true. You're in a unique position especially living on campus, to get BANGS. Make that the priority and before you know it you'll have options for your oh so precious LTR. Which no doubt will end badly, heh. Sorry but I'm cynical like that.

[philosophical_recovery]

Yeah I'm seconding a call for more experience.

I'm in my 30s. I'm actively seeking conservative girls with low N counts for something more. I look back at all the girls I banged and got into LTRs with as a 20 something and I'm glad I dodged the pregnancy bullet many times with them. I'm also glad I never married them.

I dated crazies, I dated sluts, I dated a handful of decent girls, I dated older than me, I dated younger than me, and then I just started sticking to the early 20s age bracket or younger (still older than 18) every chance I got continuing into my 30s.

There will be many instances of meeting girls that you "think" are perfect but they really aren't, and start annoying the crap out of you.

I don't even think my mental capacity was fully there until the mid 20s, especially socially, to know what was up. And I was "smart" by all standard definitions.

So, get some experience under your belt. Feel free to date conservative girls, just don't string them along unecessarily. See other girls.

If I did it all over again I think I would only skip about 5% of my total bangs. The rest I'm happy with. But, I still wouldn't think about seriously shacking up until my 30s with a much younger girl. Luckily, my gut reaction pushed me in that direction anyway before I knew any better.

[LeoneVolpe]

(01-03-2017 10:20 PM)InjunJoe95 Wrote:  

Age 21. I live at college. 0 notched. I don't see me getting married at having children VERY soon, but I would like to know how to go about it when the time is right.

With all due respect, a man must learn to crawl before he can walk. Right now you needn't concern yourself with how to go about finding a proper LTR or certainly a wife. Your objective, at this point, should be getting some notches on your belt and becoming more well-versed in dealing with women, both generally and sexually.

Due to your inexperience, any idea you currently have about what you look for/want from a woman is abstract. You need to go out and actually experience women in order to better ascertain your preferences. At this stage, asking you what you look for in a woman is about as useful as asking Stevie Wonder what his favorite color is. I'm not faulting you for this, we all have to start somewhere. I would like to see you put in the work of doing some approaches and updating us on how they went rather than more of these "preparing to prepare" type posts.

[InjunJoe95]

That makes sense, thanks. I know I probably am not going to find my wife at college; actually I'm partially asking because, due to my very conservative and religious upbringing, I often run into other similar families through my social circle. While they often have well behaved daughters, I understand that women are women, and attraction needs to be built. So while I understand that game is still necessary, I was wondering what adjustments need to be made, especially since they usually live at home and are watched like hawks by their parents.

[philosophical_recovery]

(01-03-2017 11:00 PM)InjunJoe95 Wrote:  

That makes sense, thanks. I know I probably am not going to find my wife at college; actually I'm partially asking because, due to my very conservative and religious upbringing, I often run into other similar families through my social circle. While they often have well behaved daughters, I understand that women are women, and attraction needs to be built. So while I understand that game is still necessary, I was wondering what adjustments need to be made, especially since they usually live at home and are watched like hawks by their parents.

Do yourself a favor and get a hobby that forces you to expand your social circle with girls or otherwise. Sports, dancing, something. Increase your social aptitude. Study game, but focus on getting your social awareness up at the same time. Just MEET PEOPLE. I wish I had done more of this in college, period.

I don't think I can explain how I have modified my game. It depends on the girl, very nuanced. I have to constantly re-calibrate and adjust, make mistakes, and press on. I wouldn't have been able to do that if I wasn't already decently socially calibrated.

It's like asking us how to do differential equations when your arithmetic isn't up to snuff yet.

[LeoneVolpe]

To each their own I suppose, but if it were me and I was just getting into game, I probably wouldn't choose girls so closely connected to my family/social circle. If you crash and burn with a total stranger, who gives a crap? If you mess up with the girls you mentioned, you'll likely have to see them on a somewhat regular basis which could be awkward to say the least.

Even when dealing with inexperienced chicks, it's still important for a guy to know what he's doing. I'd get my practice in elsewhere, and then maybe hit those chicks up after you know what's what. I see your stratagem of choosing these girls in particular as a bit of laziness on your part, where instead of finding girls "out there in the world" that might take more effort to meet, you just stick with ones you already know.

There are no shortcuts to having quality game. Game isn't easy, it's a lot of hard work. If you're willing to put in the work, you can reap amazing rewards, but you have to do the work.

[InjunJoe95]

I have a hobby, and I have made quite a few friends in the process. I'm sorry for looking silly questions, I don't mean to waste your time. I just feel bad about myself, because I'm sure men my grandfather's age and probably my father's age didn't have to sleep with dozens of sluts just to get to the point where a decent woman would be attracted to him.

[Rhyme or Reason]

(01-03-2017 11:44 PM)InjunJoe95 Wrote:  

I'm sure men my grandfather's age and probably my father's age didn't have to sleep with dozens of sluts just to get to the point where a decent woman would be attracted to him.

That is true. However it is also irrelevant. Reject the blue pill and take the red pill. The rest will fall into place.

[InjunJoe95]

Sounds good. One more question: how many women did you need to sleep with before you felt pretty experienced, and basically eliminated any needy behavior or betaness, and felt like you could judge women pretty accurately?

[philosophical_recovery]

Your other option is to not bother, focus on hobbies and stacking benjamins.

Then when you're a multimillionaire in your 30s you can just swoop a mormon girl from Utah who's looking for a rich suitor.

[Rhyme or Reason]

(01-03-2017 11:56 PM)InjunJoe95 Wrote:  

Sounds good. One more question: how many women did you need to sleep with before you felt pretty experienced, and basically eliminated any needy behavior or betaness, and felt like you could judge women pretty accurately?

There is no point at which I, or anyone else can say you reached this point. Forest/trees and all that...It's like a hike up a mountain. At some point, after putting one foot in front of the other for a long time you turn around, see the view and how far you've come, where you gain perspective. Stop thinking in terms of how far is far enough when you're still packing your bag preparing for the journey. Just put one foot in front of the other and the rest will work itself out, I promise you that.

Edit: To the first reply, I don't think it's fair to call OP a troll. He's posted other threads in which he made genuine inquiries into game and I don't think it's fair to label him as such, his intent appears genuine and to OP i hope you stick around and update us on your progress. Cheers

[InjunJoe95]

That makes a lot of sense; thank you. Also thank you for taking me seriously.