[Transsimian]

(12-24-2016 02:14 PM)Hannibal Wrote:  

As far as effectiveness of either, I'd say they are effective for studying. The big kicker is to set up yourself in such a way that you're going to be studying while you're on either, otherwise you'll spend eight hours rearranging your room or shitposting on the internet instead.

This! I took modafinil an hour ago for the first time in months.

I finally got round to tidying my room, but now I've got 50 tabs open in chrome, mostly reddit, fake news, wikipedia geography and Tumblr porn.

It works when you've got a definite task to do and you have structures to keep you disciplined, but it is not a panacea.

[Alche]

I have taken armodafinil (a variation of modafinil) and can say I was able to focus on one task for about 9hrs straight. Also I felt more creative while on it with ideas always popping into my head.

Just don't take it with coffee if you are taking the full dose. Bought it online from an indian pharmacy. You can also find it on local ebay like websites.

[Thedeadknight]

Adderral is really tough to kick the habit of. Took it for 3 years straight. Got up to 64mg a day

It's really becoming a druggy. You start feeling like you can't function without it. And if you try to go cold-turkey- you will hit a withdrawal effect. Usually it's staying in bed, and not having the energy or motivation to get out.

It can be pretty damn scary. Marijuana, plus CBD usage helped a ton with the withdrawal effects, I was able to kick the habit.

Unfortunately, sometimes you feel like you "need" that extra kick to get back into work or pull off the project.

I'm still in a standstill with addy usage. It really depends on your life situation, work, and relationships. When I have consistent work, I know what I need to get done, then I can go without Addy. However, once there's no work - and I need to pursue my own side hustles- then addy feels like a must.

It really depends. My current dosage is 2 times a week. Don't want to risk becoming dependent on it.

[LowerCaseG]

Adderall was a huge help to me in preparation for the Bar Exam. Study habits were like night and day, especially with extended release. I was in my upper 30's at the time.

If you take it every day it's effectiveness will wear off, basically like smoking cigarettes. Twice a week would be a good amount to take it. Would also recommend it for overweight people for weight loss. You'll lose 10 lbs per month and clear out the junk in your intestines.

Gave me the shakes, could not hold my hand still. This was not a withdrawal effect.

Overall I would say it's a good strategic tool to use for specific things but not to just be on permanently.

Side Effects:
High irritability.
The shakes
Bests shits I've ever taken.
Weight Loss
More Power then less power.
Sluggish when you don't take it.

Good Luck.

[LowerCaseG]

Also, there are some keywords you need to tell your doctor for them to approve it.

-I have a hard time concentrating.
-I always had a hard time studying in school.
-I was never good at taking tests.
-I have a hard time sitting still.
-I can't seem to focus on anything for more than 5 minutes.

You have to paint either an adult onset ADD or a childhood ADD that went undiagnosed.

Stuff like that. The doctor has to justify it in their brain to give it to you.

[Kid Twist]

Others report adderall is actually decent grade cocaine. Can anyone verify this? I've never tried it, don't need to, just wondering.

[Thedeadknight]

(10-17-2017 11:06 AM)LowerCaseG Wrote:  

Adderall was a huge help to me in preparation for the Bar Exam. Study habits were like night and day, especially with extended release. I was in my upper 30's at the time.

If you take it every day it's effectiveness will wear off, basically like smoking cigarettes. Twice a week would be a good amount to take it. Would also recommend it for overweight people for weight loss. You'll lose 10 lbs per month and clear out the junk in your intestines.

Gave me the shakes, could not hold my hand still. This was not a withdrawal effect.

Overall I would say it's a good strategic tool to use for specific things but not to just be on permanently.

Side Effects:
High irritability.
The shakes
Bests shits I've ever taken.
Weight Loss
More Power then less power.
Sluggish when you don't take it.

Good Luck.

Good points.

I'm glad to hear that. I've also been taking addy to pass the Bar exam. I'm in CA... i've been on several attempts now. But each time is closer and closer. #KeeponTruckin

When I stop taking addy my hands also start shaking; and feel sluggish when i don't. High irritability. Sometimes I feel my social skills take a dip, but i think that's because i'm just clamored with studying, and don't "game" per se or interact with people all that much.

[fortysix]

(10-17-2017 06:46 PM)Thedeadknight Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 11:06 AM)LowerCaseG Wrote:  

Adderall was a huge help to me in preparation for the Bar Exam. Study habits were like night and day, especially with extended release. I was in my upper 30's at the time.

If you take it every day it's effectiveness will wear off, basically like smoking cigarettes. Twice a week would be a good amount to take it. Would also recommend it for overweight people for weight loss. You'll lose 10 lbs per month and clear out the junk in your intestines.

Gave me the shakes, could not hold my hand still. This was not a withdrawal effect.

Overall I would say it's a good strategic tool to use for specific things but not to just be on permanently.

Side Effects:
High irritability.
The shakes
Bests shits I've ever taken.
Weight Loss
More Power then less power.
Sluggish when you don't take it.

Good Luck.

Good points.

I'm glad to hear that. I've also been taking addy to pass the Bar exam. I'm in CA... i've been on several attempts now. But each time is closer and closer. #KeeponTruckin

When I stop taking addy my hands also start shaking; and feel sluggish when i don't. High irritability. Sometimes I feel my social skills take a dip, but i think that's because i'm just clamored with studying, and don't "game" per se or interact with people all that much.

Ahhhh I took that CA Bar Exam and it was a nightmare, but now its only two days so it shouldn't be that bad... youngin, when I took it, it was 3 days.

I had a friend that took a lot of adderal to study for the exam and he would study non-stop for 18 hours and then crash and not be able to do anything for a day or two. Pace yourself and do lots of practice exams - good luck to you.

[Thedeadknight]

(10-17-2017 08:29 PM)fortysix Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 06:46 PM)Thedeadknight Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 11:06 AM)LowerCaseG Wrote:  

Adderall was a huge help to me in preparation for the Bar Exam. Study habits were like night and day, especially with extended release. I was in my upper 30's at the time.

If you take it every day it's effectiveness will wear off, basically like smoking cigarettes. Twice a week would be a good amount to take it. Would also recommend it for overweight people for weight loss. You'll lose 10 lbs per month and clear out the junk in your intestines.

Gave me the shakes, could not hold my hand still. This was not a withdrawal effect.

Overall I would say it's a good strategic tool to use for specific things but not to just be on permanently.

Side Effects:
High irritability.
The shakes
Bests shits I've ever taken.
Weight Loss
More Power then less power.
Sluggish when you don't take it.

Good Luck.

Good points.

I'm glad to hear that. I've also been taking addy to pass the Bar exam. I'm in CA... i've been on several attempts now. But each time is closer and closer. #KeeponTruckin

When I stop taking addy my hands also start shaking; and feel sluggish when i don't. High irritability. Sometimes I feel my social skills take a dip, but i think that's because i'm just clamored with studying, and don't "game" per se or interact with people all that much.

Ahhhh I took that CA Bar Exam and it was a nightmare, but now its only two days so it shouldn't be that bad... youngin, when I took it, it was 3 days.

I had a friend that took a lot of adderal to study for the exam and he would study non-stop for 18 hours and then crash and not be able to do anything for a day or two. Pace yourself and do lots of practice exams - good luck to you.

Hahaha thanks, bud! Yeah dude I've been taking the bar when it was 3 days and now 2 days. It really is a world of a difference.

Now i'm in stalemate mode. Can't really focus on my career since I don't know I'll have one come November 17th.

Did you guys do anything outside of the standard barbri, kaplan materials? MBEs have been a killer for me.

[LowerCaseG]

Just to clarify, my hands were shaking while I was taking, maybe 6 months into everyday use.

Regarding the Bar exam, everyone else is taking it, or some other cognitive inhancer, and the test is graded on a curve, so unless you think it is not effective, you are at a clear disadvantage if you are not taking it or something.

[Sonoma]

It's a much better drug when taken in smaller doses in limited seasons. I can't imagine it as a daily regime

[fortysix]

(10-18-2017 12:53 PM)Thedeadknight Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 08:29 PM)fortysix Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 06:46 PM)Thedeadknight Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 11:06 AM)LowerCaseG Wrote:  

Adderall was a huge help to me in preparation for the Bar Exam. Study habits were like night and day, especially with extended release. I was in my upper 30's at the time.

If you take it every day it's effectiveness will wear off, basically like smoking cigarettes. Twice a week would be a good amount to take it. Would also recommend it for overweight people for weight loss. You'll lose 10 lbs per month and clear out the junk in your intestines.

Gave me the shakes, could not hold my hand still. This was not a withdrawal effect.

Overall I would say it's a good strategic tool to use for specific things but not to just be on permanently.

Side Effects:
High irritability.
The shakes
Bests shits I've ever taken.
Weight Loss
More Power then less power.
Sluggish when you don't take it.

Good Luck.

Good points.

I'm glad to hear that. I've also been taking addy to pass the Bar exam. I'm in CA... i've been on several attempts now. But each time is closer and closer. #KeeponTruckin

When I stop taking addy my hands also start shaking; and feel sluggish when i don't. High irritability. Sometimes I feel my social skills take a dip, but i think that's because i'm just clamored with studying, and don't "game" per se or interact with people all that much.

Ahhhh I took that CA Bar Exam and it was a nightmare, but now its only two days so it shouldn't be that bad... youngin, when I took it, it was 3 days.

I had a friend that took a lot of adderal to study for the exam and he would study non-stop for 18 hours and then crash and not be able to do anything for a day or two. Pace yourself and do lots of practice exams - good luck to you.

Hahaha thanks, bud! Yeah dude I've been taking the bar when it was 3 days and now 2 days. It really is a world of a difference.

Now i'm in stalemate mode. Can't really focus on my career since I don't know I'll have one come November 17th.

Did you guys do anything outside of the standard barbri, kaplan materials? MBEs have been a killer for me.

Oh yeah, I just realized that results come out over Thanksgiving. What try are you on? I didn't pass the first time after doing BARBRI, but I came damn close. What I did the second time is, after you get your results, take a week to be depressed and cry about it, and then get that fucking ADAPTIBAR question bank and just start fucking doing as many MBEs as you can every day - when you wake up in the morning run to your table, pour a coffee and get fucking 25 MBEs out of the way - then get breakfast or whatever and get 25 more. Everyday for that first month. If you do 50 MBE questions a day for the first month, thats 1500 you've done before you even started studying for that two month death scretch. Ahh I actually miss studying for the bar...

Also, what screwed me the first time was not taking practice tests - not only do practice tests help your knowledge, but even more important, they teach you to endure that brutal 200 MBE test day - its very hard to lose focus 1/2 way through and bomb it if you haven't taken the time to really build your endurance. Good luck!

[Thedeadknight]

(10-20-2017 04:45 PM)fortysix Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 12:53 PM)Thedeadknight Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 08:29 PM)fortysix Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 06:46 PM)Thedeadknight Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 11:06 AM)LowerCaseG Wrote:  

Adderall was a huge help to me in preparation for the Bar Exam. Study habits were like night and day, especially with extended release. I was in my upper 30's at the time.

If you take it every day it's effectiveness will wear off, basically like smoking cigarettes. Twice a week would be a good amount to take it. Would also recommend it for overweight people for weight loss. You'll lose 10 lbs per month and clear out the junk in your intestines.

Gave me the shakes, could not hold my hand still. This was not a withdrawal effect.

Overall I would say it's a good strategic tool to use for specific things but not to just be on permanently.

Side Effects:
High irritability.
The shakes
Bests shits I've ever taken.
Weight Loss
More Power then less power.
Sluggish when you don't take it.

Good Luck.

Good points.

I'm glad to hear that. I've also been taking addy to pass the Bar exam. I'm in CA... i've been on several attempts now. But each time is closer and closer. #KeeponTruckin

When I stop taking addy my hands also start shaking; and feel sluggish when i don't. High irritability. Sometimes I feel my social skills take a dip, but i think that's because i'm just clamored with studying, and don't "game" per se or interact with people all that much.

Ahhhh I took that CA Bar Exam and it was a nightmare, but now its only two days so it shouldn't be that bad... youngin, when I took it, it was 3 days.

I had a friend that took a lot of adderal to study for the exam and he would study non-stop for 18 hours and then crash and not be able to do anything for a day or two. Pace yourself and do lots of practice exams - good luck to you.

Hahaha thanks, bud! Yeah dude I've been taking the bar when it was 3 days and now 2 days. It really is a world of a difference.

Now i'm in stalemate mode. Can't really focus on my career since I don't know I'll have one come November 17th.

Did you guys do anything outside of the standard barbri, kaplan materials? MBEs have been a killer for me.

Oh yeah, I just realized that results come out over Thanksgiving. What try are you on? I didn't pass the first time after doing BARBRI, but I came damn close. What I did the second time is, after you get your results, take a week to be depressed and cry about it, and then get that fucking ADAPTIBAR question bank and just start fucking doing as many MBEs as you can every day - when you wake up in the morning run to your table, pour a coffee and get fucking 25 MBEs out of the way - then get breakfast or whatever and get 25 more. Everyday for that first month. If you do 50 MBE questions a day for the first month, thats 1500 you've done before you even started studying for that two month death scretch. Ahh I actually miss studying for the bar...

Also, what screwed me the first time was not taking practice tests - not only do practice tests help your knowledge, but even more important, they teach you to endure that brutal 200 MBE test day - its very hard to lose focus 1/2 way through and bomb it if you haven't taken the time to really build your endurance. Good luck!

Ah. Good points, bud. Thank you for the great feedback!

I gotta use programs like adaptibar, if God-forbid results don't come back as passing.

I really like the Adaptibar idea because waiting to open up the big giant BarBri books and start doing MBEs, is mentally consuming. Easier to just login and BOOM.

This is 3rd time taking the Bar Exam.

What kind of law do you practice? Do you have your own practice, or in house? What was your experience from Post-Bar life and gaining good employment.

Thanks again for the insights, brosk!!

[fortysix]

I'm a corporate associate at a small firm. I got the job by reaching out to one of the partners during 1L (he practiced in a niche I wanted to work in), and then again throughout 2L. I ended up clerking here in the summer, and then eventually got an offer to come back after law school. I was mainly hired because I'm fluent in a language that a number of the firm's biggest clients prefer to communicate in.

It was very uncomfortable telling everyone at the firm that I didn't pass the bar, but thankfully they let me stay on to try a second time, and then, thank god, I passed. All-in-all I enjoy the work and working with my colleagues.

I'm not sure what I would have done if I didn't get this job - I would likely mass-mail every firm and take every associate and parter out to lunch that I could.

If I could go back in time I would have tried to get hired at a bigger firm or maybe gone into PI. I make good money but nowhere near that mass-tort money. I am considering in-house, but haven't gotten any attractive offers yet.

[godfather dust]

I used to have a script for this. Daily use of adderall makes it worthless after a while.

Now I only use it once every week or two if I have something REALLY boring to do (stack of paperwork, data entry etc.) It makes this stuff tolerable but as soon as you're done it's really better being sober. I don't like the stuff.

[Vasily Zaytsev]

Does anyone else find it difficult to communicate, while using Adderall? I tried it fairly recently before a big exam and could definitely feel its stimulating effect, but, I felt as if my mind could only concentrate on one thing at a time. I had to pause a little bit while I was talking with other people and I wasn't sure if this is normal or just a little bit of a poor reaction to the drug.

[Zep]

I was diagnosed four years ago, I knew I had Adhd ( an inability to sit still ).

I'm on 60mgs right now and want to say something that I think is important.

Adderall and other consciousness influencing drugs can help you realize that 'consciousness' is chemical. This can be a great thing, because it can mean that the 'hell' you are going through for no apparent reason, is a brain chemistry issue.

Take any street you've walked down at least fifty times and are very familiar with. You probably have a set of feelings and thoughts associated with it.

Now take adderall, note the interpretation of the same street. It will be different.

Or, take LSD, the interpretation of the street will be extremely different.

Same street, different experience of it due to a difference in brain chemistry.

I would recommend Adderall to people who have been depressed if only to show them that their brains are in fact, capable, of much better functioning, and to show them that there is another world other than the one they are sadly stuck in. It can crack the bubble for a few hours.

When I was on LSD 30 yrs ago, my body felt like a meat jacket, it was clear to me that I was a spirit inhabiting this body thing, I also felt love, pure love, and joy. It was incredible, however, this is like putting a turbo-charger on a car and pushing the engine to 12000 rpms, it will burnout, similarly if you take too much LSD you will fry your circuits, we are just not designed for this kind of constant elevated experience. We must come down.

When we come down we are 'down to earth' again and need to operate in this dimension with its relative parameters. We have an 'ego' or personality to interface with the world. That's it function, to interface with the material world.

I have been thinking lately about my drop-off of interest in women and sex. I'm 50 something so this is normal apparently and a result of lowering testosterone. What I notice I'm craving more these days is connection and love. If someone half-decent offered me sex I probably wouldn't take it, actually I've met a couple of much younger Pua's who have refused sex simply because they were 'bored of it'...they'd rather do other activities than engage in empty, connectionless, sex.

Back to Adderall, I'm on 60 mgs right now so I'm rambling a tad.

It can work, I can sit still for about 3 hours, but it won't think for you, it has made the conditions necessary ( sitting still ) available to me so that I stand a fighting chance of disciplining my mind. It's still difficult. I see this Persian man in the coffee shop studying 8 hours a day, monday to friday, I'm stunned, a little envious, this guy studies at least 40 hours a week, dammit, if I could do that my life would be completely different. There he is, every day, working on very very complex stuff, 8 hours a day, and when I talk to him we joke about this and that, in other words, he's normal, has friends, family and girlfriends. Why can't I be like that?

There is a down side to Adderall, and that is the crash. After about 3 or 4 hours of the good part I start to notice I get in a reeeeally bad mood. People make me sick, I want to punch them, I hate them, I hate the world, this is typical btw, I've spoken to others who state the same. It's a dopamine or serotonin crash I guess, and it is very unpleasant. The movie "Limitless" with Bradley Cooper, is clearly about Adderall type stimulants.

The only thing you can do is to eat after 3 hours. Adderall kills appetite, you have to force yourself to eat, otherwise the crash is going to be very nasty. Eat a massive bowl of spaghetti, or a big meal with chicken and carbs, it can make a big difference in the severity of the crash.

One day I will stop taking these things. I have had enough of the ups and downs now, and will try to figure out a better and healthier way into this state using diet and yoga.

That's it for now, hope this helps someone.

[LowerCaseG]

60 mg is a very very high dose.

[Zep]

(04-22-2019 08:47 AM)LowerCaseG Wrote:  

60 mg is a very very high dose.

Yes it is. Tolerance.

[Bananaman711]

How do you guys approach your GP to get dexies?

Can you tell him something like hey Doc, I think I have ADD pls prescribe me some amphetamines

I did it that way with Viagra and it worked but I suspect asking for harder drugs might be different


Modafinil works for me, it gives me very mild high but my creativity sucks, its almost non existent. Combining it with a good green tea helps.

[Zep]

If Modafinil works for you then don't bother with Adderall.

I seriously needed it.

I forgot to mention that Adderall improves focus at the expense of awareness ( maybe this is why your creativity isn't so hot on modafinil )

In some ways I become dumber on Adderall, I'm far less aware, and find it a struggle to find the right word, or remember something when I'm on it. I notice that my dreams are also shallow when I sleep after a day on it, like, no feeling or depth. So, I take breaks, let my brain recover, make sure I get at least one night of very deep dreaming in, then I feel right again, back on track.

Now that I think of it, Adderall makes me into an "Efficient Worker" like George Carlin once said. I'm focused, okay with what i'm doing, and not bothered with the responsibilities that come with awareness. A chemically induced blissful? ignorance. I wonder if the over-prescribing to kids is partly a sinister plot. I think giving this to undeveloped brains is risky business.

[Laner]

I have only taken it as a way to grind through a 16 hour day.

But from outside observation of friends who have a prescription, it is THE SINGLE BIGGEST HUMOR DESTROYER.

Make no mistake, 80% of the jokes spoken in a social environment will go straight over your head.

[LowerCaseG]

(04-22-2019 08:56 AM)Zep Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 08:47 AM)LowerCaseG Wrote:  

60 mg is a very very high dose.

Yes it is. Tolerance.

Tolerance is a real issue. I specifically try not to take it every day so it keeps working. Usually MWF, but even that schedule tends to lose efficacy over time. I really like taking it on Monday to start off the week productively, and shit out everything I consumed over the weekend.

The extended release should ameliorate some of your crash issues.

[INTJ333]

I've taken Adderall and for me the dopamine spike made me do stupid stuff like look at porn on no-fap and even go back to smoking 1 or 2 cigs a day. I see it as the Devil's drug. It might be good short-term but it is slowly destroying your body long-term. I think I almost had a UTI on Adderall. It made me hurt to piss... And yes the effect only lasts a few hours and you always need more.. I would only recommend to college students or professionals who absolutely have to get shit done fast.

[BigStretch]

Dexedrine got me through university, and really helps me do things that I don't enjoy doing, job applications included.

Makes me socially retarded though and messes with my other wise good mood, so I stay clear of it.