[MajorStyles]

Obviously, voter fraud has been the topic of the week. Jill Stein forcing the recount, and the Donald responding today by calling out potential voter fraud in Virginia, New Hampshire and California. To me, it appears that a federal voter ID would favor Republicans and that it would be a good thing: i.e. illegals would not be able to vote.

However, I don't know how plausible it is. I’ll defer to the forum, because we have some sharp people here.

What’s your take?

[eradicator]

Yeah, I am for showing ID when you vote so illegals cannot vote.

Here is the counter argument: it RACIST!!!

Poor people, many black and Mexicans don't have an extra 20 or 30 dollars for an ID and therefore it will preclude them from their right to vote. Will it happen now that Trump is president? Hopefully.

[kbell]

I posted this in the meme thread, but this is even more appropiate.

[Menace]

Ghana, a country that's poorer than Mexico, requires an ID to vote. Make it cheap and easy to obtain (no artificial barriers).

[storm]

Of course it's a good idea.

If you think it's unfair to people who are crushingly poor then set up a charity to help the poor get IDs in time for election day.

This circus after every election has to stop.

[Samseau]

Can't even buy a drink without ID, all arguments against ID are absurd. They hurt ultra poors? Make the ID free. It's insane on every level.

[kosko]

(11-27-2016 09:38 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

Yeah, I am for showing ID when you vote so illegals cannot vote.

Here is the counter argument: it RACIST!!!

Poor people, many black and Mexicans don't have an extra 20 or 30 dollars for an ID and therefore it will preclude them from their right to vote. Will it happen now that Trump is president? Hopefully.

I never understand this.

How do you get benefits like SNAP? Doesn't the Gov need some sort of ID to trace and link services to?

I thought the days of handing people cheques are largely gone?

For the dirt poor who just need basics to survive and literally, have, nothing, they can pick up a check at a center. I understand those types that would not have IDs but for the poor that are on government services my assumption is they have some sort of official listing for database and organization reasons.

In Canada, you need a card for health care. You still get emergency services but you get no freebie service if you have no health card which links you to the Provincial Insurance. For many folks this is their primary form of identification and they just use it for other shit. Again, dirt poor who are homeless and got other issues don't have time for that type of stuff but for folks who got kids and support benefits I can't understand how they would be with no IDs whatsoever.

[Kona]

A Federal voter ID is a terrible idea. Requiring state or federally issued identification is a no brainer.

You don't want to create another way for the feds to track you.

I do not understand the argument at all that says people should be allowed to vote without Id. The only reason to allow that is fraud.

There is not one single individual that is so disenfranchised that they have no Id, that gives a shit about voting.

I think a lot of states give out ids for free if you can't afford one, or are homeless.

But no, a centralized federal I'd is a terrible idea.

Aloha!

[bootyhuntah]

(11-27-2016 09:38 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

Yeah, I am for showing ID when you vote so illegals cannot vote.

Here is the counter argument: it RACIST!!!

Poor people, many black and Mexicans don't have an extra 20 or 30 dollars for an ID and therefore it will preclude them from their right to vote. Will it happen now that Trump is president? Hopefully.

Yeah, I was riding my bike today and saw a guy - who I presume was homeless - pandhandling at an intersection near an overpass here in my city.

As I got closer, I noticed something profound: He was on his cell phone while holding a sign asking people for spare change. Wtf!

If he can afford a phone with at least basic service fees, then he can afford a $30 voter ID.

[bootyhuntah]

(11-27-2016 09:39 PM)kbell Wrote:  



I posted this in the meme thread, but this is even more appropiate.

This is similar to what the Brazilians do as well. They require fingerprint scan verification before voting...while I'm not sure I want the feds to have that information - it would raise the level of difficulty of voter fraud happening to obscenely unlikely.

[Kona]

(11-27-2016 10:35 PM)bootyhuntah Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 09:38 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

Yeah, I am for showing ID when you vote so illegals cannot vote.

Here is the counter argument: it RACIST!!!

Poor people, many black and Mexicans don't have an extra 20 or 30 dollars for an ID and therefore it will preclude them from their right to vote. Will it happen now that Trump is president? Hopefully.

Yeah, I was riding my bike today and saw a guy - who I presume was homeless - pandhandling at an intersection near an overpass here in my city.

As I got closer, I noticed something profound: He was on his cell phone while holding a sign asking people for spare change. Wtf!

If he can afford a phone with at least basic service fees, then he can afford a $30 voter ID.

http://www.obamaphone.com

The internet, and I think the camera is disabled on them, and the phone will have a white label on the back that is not supposed to be removed.

It requires an ebt card, which also makes you eligible for a free state I'd, at least in Hawaii.

Aloha!

[bootyhuntah]

(11-27-2016 10:41 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 10:35 PM)bootyhuntah Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 09:38 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

Yeah, I am for showing ID when you vote so illegals cannot vote.

Here is the counter argument: it RACIST!!!

Poor people, many black and Mexicans don't have an extra 20 or 30 dollars for an ID and therefore it will preclude them from their right to vote. Will it happen now that Trump is president? Hopefully.

Yeah, I was riding my bike today and saw a guy - who I presume was homeless - pandhandling at an intersection near an overpass here in my city.

As I got closer, I noticed something profound: He was on his cell phone while holding a sign asking people for spare change. Wtf!

If he can afford a phone with at least basic service fees, then he can afford a $30 voter ID.

http://www.obamaphone.com

The internet, and I think the camera is disabled on them, and the phone will have a white label on the back that is not supposed to be removed.

It requires an ebt card, which also makes you eligible for a free state I'd, at least in Hawaii.

Aloha!

Wow. At first I thought it was a joke. But it looks authentic.

The EBT card wiki claims that the average monthly fund deposit from the gov't for that card is $125/month. Doesn't get you much at $4.10 per day. But back on topic...

[kosko]

(11-27-2016 11:06 PM)bootyhuntah Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 10:41 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 10:35 PM)bootyhuntah Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 09:38 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

Yeah, I am for showing ID when you vote so illegals cannot vote.

Here is the counter argument: it RACIST!!!

Poor people, many black and Mexicans don't have an extra 20 or 30 dollars for an ID and therefore it will preclude them from their right to vote. Will it happen now that Trump is president? Hopefully.

Yeah, I was riding my bike today and saw a guy - who I presume was homeless - pandhandling at an intersection near an overpass here in my city.

As I got closer, I noticed something profound: He was on his cell phone while holding a sign asking people for spare change. Wtf!

If he can afford a phone with at least basic service fees, then he can afford a $30 voter ID.

http://www.obamaphone.com

The internet, and I think the camera is disabled on them, and the phone will have a white label on the back that is not supposed to be removed.

It requires an ebt card, which also makes you eligible for a free state I'd, at least in Hawaii.

Aloha!

Wow. At first I thought it was a joke. But it looks authentic.

The EBT card wiki claims that the average monthly fund deposit from the gov't for that card is $125/month. Doesn't get you much at $4.10 per day. But back on topic...

[Cobra]

The federal ID idea sounds great and all BUT don't forget: Elections are executed by the states, not federal authorities. If there is some federal law, states have to accept it as their own law and that will not be easy to pass in some states.

There are varying ID laws in states now. Federal authorities trying to overturn this wouldn't be so different from the failed attempts so far in instituting picture ID laws within states themselves.

[Enoch]

This was the first election in which Voter ID was required in Wisconsin.

If you don't have the wherewithal to find $20 to get a state issued photo ID, you have abrogated your right to vote.

[porscheguy]

The democrats have been crying that voter ID laws are racist. But the issue of voter ID laws is a prime example of how the democrats really don't want to help minorities, poor people, etc.

When you get hired at a job, in most cases, you'll need to fill out a federal form I-9. It's an ID form. You're required to have xerox copies of two forms of gov't issued ID. A state issued ID card, driver's license, and SS card are the three most commonly used. So if you don't have any form of ID, you'll have a hard time finding gainful employment.

Let's suppose that conservative politicians have in fact, passed voter ID laws as a way to disenfranchise certain groups by exploiting a known problem among these groups. OK, shame on the conservatives. Shouldn't we also argue that the bigger, long term problem isn't that these groups are being disenfranchised, its that they don't have state issued ID, and therefore are virtually unable to find gainful employment?

The democrats want to cry about the injustice of voter ID laws, but they don't lift a finger or do any "community organizing" to get people in certain communities to get their ID. The democrats would prefer they remain helpless victims.

FWIW, I agree that if you can't scrape together $20 for a state issued ID card, then you probably shouldn't be permitted to vote.

[Cattle Rustler]

Kona: The feds already watch us using driver's licenses. I haven't updated my address in 3 years, have bills to 4 sent to different addresses (in different parts of the state), and certainly don't plan to update my DL address. However, during my last convo with a fed....they had all of them on file and even knew "right" one.

In other news, it's not much about the cost of getting an ID but rather finding the time to get one since most people catch flak from their boss for taking time off work....and they work by the hour, so the boss might try to lower their hours as punishment (I've seen it done before). Either way, that is not an excuse. Having an ID is necessary for many things nowadays, it especially helps the poor.

Need a job? You need an ID.
Need welfare? You need an ID.
Need a bank account? You need an ID.
Need to cash a check? You need an ID.
Need to buy a Coronas or some Newports? You need an ID.

Even when I lived in the hood, when niggas would lose their ID. They'd go out and get a replacement because they couldn't go to the club without one.
Tell a nigga he can't go to the club and get some Ciroc and he'll move mountains to make sure he rubs his dick on that shawty. Wait, are we still using shawty as a word? Damn I feel old.

[Vicious]

If you can't even get census takers to pass alive through certain southern counties, how many legitimate voters will be discouraged from voting if they have to carry an id attached specifically to their voting record?

Be careful what you wish for.

[Cattle Rustler]

Unfortunately Facebook already has your political preferences nailed down.

Fortunately it cannot know which candidates you voted for if you did not vote straight ticket. This past election, I voted for The Donald, some repubs, some green party, some libertarians, and one or two democrats. So many different parties you could draw a rainbow with their colors.

[weambulance]

(11-28-2016 02:53 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

If you can't even get census takers to pass alive through certain southern counties, how many legitimate voters will be discouraged from voting if they have to carry an id attached specifically to their voting record?

I don't really understand your point. Why would anyone care if people knew whether or not they voted? You don't put your name on the ballot. Nobody knows who you voted for.

As to who will be discouraged, I'm going to say probably a lot more lazy asses on the progressive side than on ours.

[John_Galt]

There are good arguements made on both sides. Here's my 2 cents:

Make ID MANDATORY for any voting. It can be a state issued ID, such as a DL. OR, if the person qualifies, they can get a FREE Federally issued "Voter ID". The way it would work is that you can apply for the ID in the same place you apply for other benefits such as food stamps, Section 8 Housing, Obamaphone, etc. If you qualify for any federal assistance, you automatically qualify for a FREE Federal Voter ID.

It solves all the problems. You can vote with your DL, or if you're "too poor" to afford one, the federal government will provide one free of charge.

Yup, I just solved in 5 mins what politicians have been debating for years.

[The Beast1]

The feds can require state IDs to have some sort of extra icon for a voter to prove his citizenship and then have it authenticate against the state's database.

This is trivial to be done. There's no reason not to do it other than allow illegals the right to vote.

[Cattle Rustler]

Authenticating will just increase time needed to vote, make line longer, and piss people off. Voting should be quick and easy, not a PITA. Maybe add a "voting clearance granted" on the back of the ID but then you'd be opening another can of worms.

Not to mention you have another database to build, maintain, and hope it's not targeted by h4xx0r$.

[weambulance]

Uh oh, it might actually take some effort to exercise your right to vote. Why, if that were to happen, only motivated people will bother doing it! What a terrible thing!

[The Beast1]

(11-28-2016 03:21 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Authenticating will just increase time needed to vote, make line longer, and piss people off. Voting should be quick and easy, not a PITA. Maybe add a "voting clearance granted" on the back of the ID but then you'd be opening another can of worms.

Not to mention you have another database to build, maintain, and hope it's not targeted by h4xx0r$.

The apparatuses needed to create this system are already in place. It's trivial to add a new database entry onto an already existing one like a state's driver's license/ID system.

It takes a cop 30 seconds to scan your driver's licens to pull up your driving record. A state made laptop with a card scanner hooked up to the driver/ID state database will take exactly the same amount of time to "prove" identities and the right to vote.

Heck it'll be faster because the poll worker won't have to hand search the records to find your name.