[All or Nothing]

(12-25-2016 02:25 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Shit is getting real, neo-nazis plan march on Whitefish.

http://archive.is/0rP8Y

Quote:

neo-Nazi website has stepped up a campaign against the Jewish community of Whitefish, Montana, now announcing an armed march by white supremacists planned for January.

“We are continuing our barrage against the criminal Jews of Whitefish,” wrote Andrew Anglin, a neo-Nazi who runs The Daily Stormer website, in the latest of a series of articles about the situation in Whitefish. “We are planning an armed protest in Whitefish … we can easily march through the center of the town carrying high-powered rifles.”

From what I understand of what you have quoted here, Richard Spencer is essentially working with neo-Nazi's to organize an armed neo-Nazi rally to scare the shit out of local Jews in Whitefish, Montana.

I hope some of you guys who are pro-Richard Spencer sit down and really think about what he is doing here. The hope being that some of you guys have a realization like this sometime:

[Thersites]

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This won't end well.This is emotional response to attack on Mrs. Spencer, and providing the antifas a big fat target to strike.

[nomadbrah]

(12-25-2016 05:42 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

It sounds to me like they're essentially running a scheme to drop the value of a property so they can buy it cheap. If you've got protestors driving away all the tenants then the building is worthless for the owner, just the same as if they hired gangsters to go in and burglarize the building every month until everyone moved out. The only difference with this is that they're hiding behind popular public anti-anti-semitism to pull it off legally.

You got it, spot on, it is simple mafia methods.

Protesting doesn't make anything extortion.

A realtor working, talking, collaborating with the organisation organizing the protests, that is definitely a shake down racket.

[nomadbrah]

(12-25-2016 05:49 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

(12-25-2016 02:25 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Shit is getting real, neo-nazis plan march on Whitefish.

http://archive.is/0rP8Y

Quote:

neo-Nazi website has stepped up a campaign against the Jewish community of Whitefish, Montana, now announcing an armed march by white supremacists planned for January.

“We are continuing our barrage against the criminal Jews of Whitefish,” wrote Andrew Anglin, a neo-Nazi who runs The Daily Stormer website, in the latest of a series of articles about the situation in Whitefish. “We are planning an armed protest in Whitefish … we can easily march through the center of the town carrying high-powered rifles.”

From what I understand of what you have quoted here, Richard Spencer is essentially working with neo-Nazi's to organize an armed neo-Nazi rally to scare the shit out of local Jews in Whitefish, Montana.

I hope some of you guys who are pro-Richard Spencer sit down and really think about what he is doing here. The hope being that some of you guys have a realization like this sometime:

No and that's a very low information thing to claim. It's the Daily Stormer organizing and Spencer has nothing to do with them.

The bad guys are those organisations in Whitefish who attack Spencer's mother and just to add to their lowly morals, they turn it into an attempted shakedown for economic gain. It's pretty much as low as you can go.

[Atlanta Man]

(12-25-2016 05:22 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(12-25-2016 04:38 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

They threathened her with protests, picketing and boycot if she didn't sell to Tanya Gersh AND make a donation from the sale to the jewish group Love Lives Here.

That's extortion.

No that is protesting. I do not agree with targeting Spencer's mom but lets not get hyperbolic- Extortion, defined as Intimidation under Montana Law

45-5-203. Intimidation. (1) A person commits the offense of intimidation when, with the purpose to cause another to perform or to omit the performance of any act, the person communicates to another, under circumstances that reasonably tend to produce a fear that it will be carried out, a threat to perform without lawful authority any of the following acts:
(a) inflict physical harm on the person threatened or any other person;
(b) subject any person to physical confinement or restraint; or
© commit any felony.
(2) A person commits the offense of intimidation if the person knowingly communicates a threat or false report of a pending fire, explosion, or disaster that would endanger life or property.
(3) A person convicted of the offense of intimidation shall be imprisoned in the state prison for any term not to exceed 10 years or be fined an amount not to exceed $50,000, or both.

Did you even read your quote?

"Sell or else we will bankrupt you through harassment" is clearly intimidation. That isn't even enough, they ask her to make a 'donation' to an unrelated firm. This is straight up mafia methods.
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Read the law in its entirety. The elements require that you threaten to:
(a) inflict physical harm on the person threatened or any other person;
(b) subject any person to physical confinement or restraint; or
© commit any felony.
Sell or else we will boycott and protest your business because your son is an asshole is not illegal and does not fall within the scope of the law. For that matter organizing an non violent armed protest does not fall within the scope of the law provided they have the proper permits. It may be distasteful, but it is not illegal and certainly not extortion.

[Atlanta Man]

(12-25-2016 05:23 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Atlanta Man, if a man is convicted as a murderer, is it ok to go picket and harass the mother of that man and demand she sells her business through you or is it harassment and extortion?

You can under Montana Law go and picket the mothers house, as long as you are on a public sidewalk not her private property, with signs demanding she sell the house for the picketing to stop. How do you think abortion protesters operate? It is in poor taste but not extortion.

Harassment would require that you become a nuisance by impeding her use of the land( by denying her access or exit, or protesting late at night loudly so she could not sleep,ect.) so no harassment is wrong, and a crime. This is neither harassment or extortion- it is simply poor taste.

[Atlanta Man]

(12-25-2016 06:37 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(12-25-2016 05:42 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

It sounds to me like they're essentially running a scheme to drop the value of a property so they can buy it cheap. If you've got protestors driving away all the tenants then the building is worthless for the owner, just the same as if they hired gangsters to go in and burglarize the building every month until everyone moved out. The only difference with this is that they're hiding behind popular public anti-anti-semitism to pull it off legally.

You got it, spot on, it is simple mafia methods.

Protesting doesn't make anything extortion.

A realtor working, talking, collaborating with the organisation organizing the protests, that is definitely a shake down racket.

The whole point of boycott is to cost the target money. The Bus Boycotts of the 1960's did this in Alabama. Unions not working and picketing cost business money because they cannot run, typically these are done in peak earning season for the business. For the record , the mafia method is to say "That is a nice building you got there, be a shame if someone burned it down" or "pay me protection money or something bad will happen to your manager"-in other words extortion.

In this case Spencer did some wildly unpopular things with a organization that had his mom's building as its legal address which left his mother open to this controversy. It is in poor taste to do this , but The Daily Stormer is about to exacerbate the situation with there own show of bad taste. Is marching with semi auto rifles, and anti semetic slogans harassment? No, it is in poor taste though- but I am sure the residents of Whitefish will absolutely love the neo nazi march and all the positive attention it brings! Who was bringing property values down again?

[nomadbrah]

You're forgetting she asked for a "donation" to Love Lives Here.

You're not a court of law, neither am I, I think if Jersey mobsters did this, it would be a good case for court.

[BortimusPrime]

Well, it's not going to turn out well for the Daily Stormer group. Once they're out marching it just takes one antifa to go in and provoke a fight and the police have their excuse to claim the neo-nazis are the violent ones and go in and arrest or shoot them all.

They're better off just sticking to incessantly emailing Happy Merchant memes to the realtor.

[Repo]

Asking for a donation still doesn't meet any of the requirements under the quoted law. Pretty much any protest or boycott anywhere is accompanied by some form of request, such as Unions that strike for higher wages. This seems pretty clear cut to me.

[Atlanta Man]

(12-25-2016 08:55 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

You're forgetting she asked for a "donation" to Love Lives Here.

You're not a court of law, neither am I, I think if Jersey mobsters did this, it would be a good case for court.

I am a lawyer, and this is legal. She asked for a donation, she did not threaten physical harm or another felony. Spencer's mother is free to say no to the donation, and not list her property. I am pretty sure she declined to donate to the charity, and I do not believe the house has been listed for sale.

If Jersey mobsters did this it would be legal, and the District Attorney would have no case for the grand jury. Mobster don't do this, they use force and intimidation which are elements of extortion.

[Atlanta Man]

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[nomadbrah]

(12-25-2016 09:12 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

(12-25-2016 08:55 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

You're forgetting she asked for a "donation" to Love Lives Here.

You're not a court of law, neither am I, I think if Jersey mobsters did this, it would be a good case for court.

I am a lawyer, and this is legal. She asked for a donation, she did not threaten physical harm or another felony. Spencer's mother is free to say no to the donation, and not list her property. I am pretty sure she declined to donate to the charity, and I do not believe the house has been listed for sale.

If Jersey mobsters did this it would be legal, and the District Attorney would have no case for the grand jury. Mobster don't do this, they use force and intimidation which are elements of extortion.

I think you are wrong, lawyer or not, the law is very vague, there is no way you could deduce what you're postulating from that single sentence. We will have to wait and see what happens.

[Atlanta Man]

(12-25-2016 09:40 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(12-25-2016 09:12 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

(12-25-2016 08:55 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

You're forgetting she asked for a "donation" to Love Lives Here.

You're not a court of law, neither am I, I think if Jersey mobsters did this, it would be a good case for court.

I am a lawyer, and this is legal. She asked for a donation, she did not threaten physical harm or another felony. Spencer's mother is free to say no to the donation, and not list her property. I am pretty sure she declined to donate to the charity, and I do not believe the house has been listed for sale.

If Jersey mobsters did this it would be legal, and the District Attorney would have no case for the grand jury. Mobster don't do this, they use force and intimidation which are elements of extortion.

I think you are wrong, lawyer or not, the law is very vague, there is no way you could deduce what you're postulating from that single sentence. We will have to wait and see what happens.

If you are waiting to see what happens on the criminal law front against the lady asking for donations I can save you the wait- Nothing.

If you are waiting to see what happens with the neo nazi march in Whitefish- time will tell. I am willing to bet they don't march- posting online is one thing but organizing in real life is something else entirely.

[scorpion]

Atlanta Man Wrote:

I am a lawyer, and this is legal. She asked for a donation, she did not threaten physical harm or another felony. Spencer's mother is free to say no to the donation, and not list her property. I am pretty sure she declined to donate to the charity, and I do not believe the house has been listed for sale.

If Jersey mobsters did this it would be legal, and the District Attorney would have no case for the grand jury. Mobster don't do this, they use force and intimidation which are elements of extortion.

In this post you claimed to be a Biotechnology PhD and a MD. And now you're a lawyer, too?

But then you posted that you were literally broke as recent as a month ago?

So you have a JD, a PhD and a MD? And somehow, despite holding two professional degrees and a doctorate, you're broke? Without doxxing yourself, I think you need to provide some kind of explanation here, because what you're posting doesn't add up. And in this case it matters because you're touting your credentials as an authority to shut down disagreement. You're either the most educated poster in the history of the forum (and one of the most educated men on the planet, for that matter) or you're full of shit. You've made an incredibly extraordinary claim. You need to back it up with some sort of evidence if you want to maintain your credibility at this point. I'm obviously not asking you to doxx yourself, but if you're going to tout your credentials like this you owe the forum some kind of explanation, because what you've posted here completely strains credulity.

[Dusty]

He's actually a test pilot for NASA.

[Atlanta Man]

(12-26-2016 12:43 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

Atlanta Man Wrote:

I am a lawyer, and this is legal. She asked for a donation, she did not threaten physical harm or another felony. Spencer's mother is free to say no to the donation, and not list her property. I am pretty sure she declined to donate to the charity, and I do not believe the house has been listed for sale.

If Jersey mobsters did this it would be legal, and the District Attorney would have no case for the grand jury. Mobster don't do this, they use force and intimidation which are elements of extortion.

In this post you claimed to be a Biotechnology PhD and a MD. And now you're a lawyer, too?

But then you posted that you were literally broke as recent as a month ago?

So you have a JD, a PhD and a MD? And somehow, despite holding two professional degrees and a doctorate, you're broke? Without doxxing yourself, I think you need to provide some kind of explanation here, because what you're posting doesn't add up. And in this case it matters because you're touting your credentials as an authority to shut down disagreement. You're either the most educated poster in the history of the forum (and one of the most educated men on the planet, for that matter) or you're full of shit. You've made an incredibly extraordinary claim. You need to back it up with some sort of evidence if you want to maintain your credibility at this point. I'm obviously not asking you to doxx yourself, but if you're going to tout your credentials like this you owe the forum some kind of explanation, because what you've posted here completely strains credulity.

2000 graduated BS Psychology, 2007 JD from a Law school , 2008-2009 prerequisites for patent bar, 2010 passed patent bar, 2012 enrolled in 3 year PhD/MD program in a Caribbean school , 2015 received PhD passed Step 1, Dec 2015 received Medical Degree. Currently preparing for Step 2 CK and CS to get my ECFMG letter.

If Roosh is willing to do it I will PM or call him because he already knows my real name and with a little Googling he can see my LinkedIn and just go to the website of the DCBar and USPTO to verify my legal background, and I will send him my MyReport for Step 1.

I am very educated but without an active medical license an Medical Degree is nothing but debt. I got the PhD because I do patents in the life sciences and the MD/PhD was was the same price as the PhD so it made financial sense to do both.I am currently doing document review to pay for my Step 2 CS and CK review.No law firm will hire me because they will look at my resume and know that I am going to leave as soon as I get my ECFMG letter and do a Transition Year or enter match for 2018.

I do not fly test airplanes for NASA and everything I say is true and I am willing to prove it to Roosh with my real name because I know he will not dox me.

[Atlanta Man]

(12-26-2016 12:43 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

Atlanta Man Wrote:

I am a lawyer, and this is legal. She asked for a donation, she did not threaten physical harm or another felony. Spencer's mother is free to say no to the donation, and not list her property. I am pretty sure she declined to donate to the charity, and I do not believe the house has been listed for sale.

If Jersey mobsters did this it would be legal, and the District Attorney would have no case for the grand jury. Mobster don't do this, they use force and intimidation which are elements of extortion.

In this post you claimed to be a Biotechnology PhD and a MD. And now you're a lawyer, too?

But then you posted that you were literally broke as recent as a month ago?

So you have a JD, a PhD and a MD? And somehow, despite holding two professional degrees and a doctorate, you're broke? Without doxxing yourself, I think you need to provide some kind of explanation here, because what you're posting doesn't add up. And in this case it matters because you're touting your credentials as an authority to shut down disagreement. You're either the most educated poster in the history of the forum (and one of the most educated men on the planet, for that matter) or you're full of shit. You've made an incredibly extraordinary claim. You need to back it up with some sort of evidence if you want to maintain your credibility at this point. I'm obviously not asking you to doxx yourself, but if you're going to tout your credentials like this you owe the forum some kind of explanation, because what you've posted here completely strains credulity.

For the record I was not just broke a month ago, I am broke right now working a shitty document review job to keep me afloat while I study for Step 2 CK and CS. It is odd that I have to defend the fact that I am not financially well off while I study to get a medical licence, usually it is claims of wealth that require proof.

[Roosh]

Using fake credentials on the forum is a serious violation. Can you explain your story clearly, at least the parts you've used to build authority on the forum? It doesn't seem to add up upon first glance.

Edit: nevermind I see it now

[rotekz]

RamZPaul has claimed recently that Stormfront is an ADL operation. They way they act to try to associate themselves with the Alt-Right and stupid inflammatory actions like this give it some credence.

[scorpion]

(12-26-2016 01:44 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

2000 graduated BS Psychology, 2007 JD from a Law school , 2008-2009 prerequisites for patent bar, 2010 passed patent bar, 2012 enrolled in 3 year PhD/MD program in a Caribbean school , 2015 received PhD passed Step 1, Dec 2015 received Medical Degree. Currently preparing for Step 2 CK and CS to get my ECFMG letter.

If Roosh is willing to do it I will PM or call him because he already knows my real name and with a little Googling he can see my LinkedIn and just go to the website of the DCBar and USPTO to verify my legal background, and I will send him my MyReport for Step 1.

I am very educated but without an active medical license an Medical Degree is nothing but debt. I got the PhD because I do patents in the life sciences and the MD/PhD was was the same price as the PhD so it made financial sense to do both.I am currently doing document review to pay for my Step 2 CS and CK review.No law firm will hire me because they will look at my resume and know that I am going to leave as soon as I get my ECFMG letter and do a Transition Year or enter match for 2018.

I do not fly test airplanes for NASA and everything I say is true and I am willing to prove it to Roosh with my real name because I know he will not dox me.

Surely you can understand that people would naturally be skeptical when someone claims to have a JD, MD and PhD. That's not exactly common. Less common still for someone to possess all that education and be broke. Your timeline and explanation is plausible, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt. If you wanted to have Roosh verify your history, even better. In the wake of the NASA Test Pilot incident, it's important for the integrity of the forum that we be quick to call out extraordinary claims. I'm still a little confused as to how and why you obtained so much schooling but have so far received so little remunerative benefit from it. But that's your business. I hope things work out for you professionally.

My skepticism over Atlanta Man's educational background has been reasonably satisfied at this time so I see no further need to derail the thread.

[Thersites]

^
Scorpion, to further back Atlanta Man's claims there are programs in the med school in the Caribbean with MD/PHD programs. Someone with his education requirement is common story in the Caribbean and sign on how screw up are education system is in the US. 2010 recession hit hard on lot of new grads of higher education at the time. I try to get a job in the science, but entry level jobs were looking for 5 years experience to get them. I let that last sentence sink in.

[Samseau]

Anyways, back to topic: Does anyone else feel like these morons at Daily Stormer marching in front of a single Jew's house is nothing more than cucking?

I mean there are issues hundreds of times more important, yet they feel they are getting back at the ZOG by going 1488 against a Jewish woman in Montana? Do they not realize how bad they will look?

These idiots are nothing more than tools of the left, hence them being cucks. They do way more harm than good to the White race they supposedly cherish.

Someone throw cold water on them, wake them up please.

[Atlanta Man]

(12-26-2016 12:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Anyways, back to topic: Does anyone else feel like these morons at Daily Stormer marching in front of a single Jew's house is nothing more than cucking?

I mean there are issues hundreds of times more important, yet they feel they are getting back at the ZOG by going 1488 against a Jewish woman in Montana? Do they not realize how bad they will look?

These idiots are nothing more than tools of the left, hence them being cucks. They do way more harm than good to the White race they supposedly cherish.

Someone throw cold water on them, wake them up please.

If they really cared about the white race and a homeland for white people they could go fight with the United States backed facists in Ukraine against Russia. The Maidens would love the manpower , but they would have to actually fight not just posture with firearms they do not intend to use. They just want to intimidate middle aged jewish women not see real combat on a battlefield for their "cause".

[nomadbrah]

(12-26-2016 12:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Anyways, back to topic: Does anyone else feel like these morons at Daily Stormer marching in front of a single Jew's house is nothing more than cucking?

I mean there are issues hundreds of times more important, yet they feel they are getting back at the ZOG by going 1488 against a Jewish woman in Montana? Do they not realize how bad they will look?

These idiots are nothing more than tools of the left, hence them being cucks. They do way more harm than good to the White race they supposedly cherish.

Someone throw cold water on them, wake them up please.

I think you see the bigger picture Samseu, it is about making an example against jewish shakedown tactics and thought control. This kinda stuff happens all the time, this is setting a precedent that the jig is up, no longer can you get money from us just by invoking the Holocaust.

The march seems like a stupid idea, the troll assault I fully support. A line will be drawn here and it will resonate.