[destiny]

I'm getting extremely frustrated with learning game and dating. I've been going out practically everyday doing daygame, nightgame, online, etc and gotten no where. Online is probably the worst. I paid for a photographer to get some professional photos done and it hasn't yielded much results. I've maybe gotten 1 more extra match on tinder since putting in the new profile pics. I get girls unmatching me soon after getting a match for no reason while others don't even answer my messages. I mean what the hell is the point of even matching with me then? Its really fucking depressing to be putting in all of that work and have nothing to show for you, yet you walk around the city and you see couples walking hand in hand or guys who you know just get laid through social circle without much work. The grind and pain threshold is just too much now.

I don't know what the hell to do anymore. I'm exhausted and pissed at the same time and my fucking friends are telling me I have no game and should just quit while the either go for fatties or get girls handed to them from social circle. This journey has been extremely humiliating and humbling at the same time. I don't think I've ever felt like this every before in my life. I just don't understand why I can't just get it! The secret to solving this part of my life that I've longed for a very very long time to fix and despite my efforts and continued efforts each day brushing off the bruise of the previous day's failure, I just can't do it. I just don't understand why I must go through this. I don't consider myself a terrible person but why am I always the one who must endure this pain while others have such easier lives?

[ksbms]

(11-10-2016 02:27 PM)destiny Wrote:  

I'm getting extremely frustrated with learning game and dating. I've been going out practically everyday doing daygame, nightgame, online, etc and gotten no where. Online is probably the worst. I paid for a photographer to get some professional photos done and it hasn't yielded much results. I've maybe gotten 1 more extra match on tinder since putting in the new profile pics. I get girls unmatching me soon after getting a match for no reason while others don't even answer my messages. I mean what the hell is the point of even matching with me then? Its really fucking depressing to be putting in all of that work and have nothing to show for you, yet you walk around the city and you see couples walking hand in hand or guys who you know just get laid through social circle without much work. The grind and pain threshold is just too much now.

I don't know what the hell to do anymore. I'm exhausted and pissed at the same time and my fucking friends are telling me I have no game and should just quit while the either go for fatties or get girls handed to them from social circle. This journey has been extremely humiliating and humbling at the same time. I don't think I've ever felt like this every before in my life. I just don't understand why I can't just get it! The secret to solving this part of my life that I've longed for a very very long time to fix and despite my efforts and continued efforts each day brushing off the bruise of the previous day's failure, I just can't do it. I just don't understand why I must go through this. I don't consider myself a terrible person but why am I always the one who must endure this pain while others have such easier lives?

Let's get some data points first.

How many girls have you approached day time and asked for a number or bounced?

[Sonoma]

Are you ugly? Have you been not attractive most of your life?

[Mufasa]

Don't worry man we all go thru this type of deal. If Roosh has then theres definitely others too; I know I have. It gets better. My advice is to stop caring so much and game/do the steps within the context of what you do in your normal life while improving your self:

• Income/Cash Flow
• clout (DHV)
• Style (DHV)
• Body language (DHV)
• physique (DHV)
• Frame (Confident & fuck it)
• game (progressing the integration from approach to sex)
• Reading Girls Signals/Body Lang
  
  

In my experience improving style, body language, physique are first because thats the attraction.

After you've got the attraction down its just trial and error of how to use frame, game, your natural presence and energy levels, and reading the signals girls give you as feed back.

Some good places to start about Game is Roosh's "Bang" and Mystery's "The mystery method", as well as Neil Strass' "The Game". Those three will give you a solid foundation and this house you're building is only as strong as its foundation. For some tips on body launguage check out "the definitive book of body launguage" by Allan and Barbara Pease. As you learn these things try them out with girls figuring out what combination works best for your personality and however else you have developed other aspects of your person.

While you read those start stepping up your style (Im 6'8" so I shop amazon, prices are reasonable and they have all sizes) and working out.

Clout is one that can amplify your game, getting bars on lock, being a supply guy (something people can't get easilly, drugs, VIP, invites to parties) etc.

When you go out to bars to develop clout you have to remember its about taking care of the people in the service industry. You can do two things:

1. Any time a doorman lets you in ask them if theyre ok, do they need a water, a drink, etc. If they say no then cool, sometimes I'll go grab them a water anyway if its convinient or a slow night. shows you care. On the way out wish them a safe night.
2. Get there early and chop it up with them and the bar tenders. Start developing a raport with them. Find the balance between tipping heavy and free drinks. When they start giving you free drinks give them a handshake with the $20 in your palm--once again find the balanace between money and drinks.
   

Both show a genuine appreciation for what they are doing for you. Eventually they will know recognize you and know you. Make sure you are remembering their name and playfully asking them if they remember who you are. If you are stepping up your style, physique, body language, etc. and you've started treating the service people with respect they will recognize you; you should start to become "that guy". I'm the "6'8" black guy in absurd but fly blazers."

Always be learning man. Theres a ton of information out there from blogs to podcasts that can help you navigate this is this. I read Christian McQueen, This is Trouble, Alpha Game Plan, Heartsie, ROK, and The Rational Male. The Podcast I listen to is The Beige Philip Show hosted by Dante Nero (A close friend of the late great Patrice O'Neil RIP).

Just remember your not alone in this and that we all were some level of blue pill at some point man in the same situation with these fucktard girls. Know that if you commit yourself to learn and give yourself the opportunity to make mistakes you'll start seeing the coding in the matrix.

One mental trick that helped me with all this is communicating with girls is all about their subconscious (lizard brain right or wrong guys?). Women are tasked with the survival of humanity: if they don't pick the right mates the species dies.
As much as society changes we will not undo thousands of years of evolution in 100 years. Sex on a subconcious level is about reproduction; if you aren't getting the results you want with women its because you aint shit for reproductive purposes. In everything you'll read its about becoming the best version of yourself, how close to that guy are you?

**Read blogs of the people that are doing what you want to do with Game, and things that you need to work on.

When I started in 2013 I had slept with 2 new girls, my warddrode was HS clothes I hadn't grown out of and#NikeChristmas clothes for the sport I played, no bars on lock, poor posture, but a great personality
Now I have had 16 new girls, my first harem and working on my second right now, 3 bars on lock on 6th street, and a closet full of fly shit that projects my personality. I've made a lot of progress but I'm still pretty far from who I want to be, I think 14 new girls in 3 years reflects that pretty accurately.

We all get there eventually and so will you if you keep learning and practicing.



Roosh Blog
Christian McQueen Blog
Kyle Trouble Blog
THe Rational Male Blog
Heartsie Blog
Alpha Game Plan Blog
Chris' Blog
Return of Kings

[destiny]

(11-10-2016 03:26 PM)ksbms Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 02:27 PM)destiny Wrote:  

I'm getting extremely frustrated with learning game and dating. I've been going out practically everyday doing daygame, nightgame, online, etc and gotten no where. Online is probably the worst. I paid for a photographer to get some professional photos done and it hasn't yielded much results. I've maybe gotten 1 more extra match on tinder since putting in the new profile pics. I get girls unmatching me soon after getting a match for no reason while others don't even answer my messages. I mean what the hell is the point of even matching with me then? Its really fucking depressing to be putting in all of that work and have nothing to show for you, yet you walk around the city and you see couples walking hand in hand or guys who you know just get laid through social circle without much work. The grind and pain threshold is just too much now.

I don't know what the hell to do anymore. I'm exhausted and pissed at the same time and my fucking friends are telling me I have no game and should just quit while the either go for fatties or get girls handed to them from social circle. This journey has been extremely humiliating and humbling at the same time. I don't think I've ever felt like this every before in my life. I just don't understand why I can't just get it! The secret to solving this part of my life that I've longed for a very very long time to fix and despite my efforts and continued efforts each day brushing off the bruise of the previous day's failure, I just can't do it. I just don't understand why I must go through this. I don't consider myself a terrible person but why am I always the one who must endure this pain while others have such easier lives?

Let's get some data points first.

How many girls have you approached day time and asked for a number or bounced?

I've lost count, probably somewhere in the 600-700 mark, maybe more. I've collected over 50 numbers or more, again I lost count. Getting numbers is not really an issue for me anymore. I had an instadate just last week and I number closed (facebook) a chick today.

[destiny]

(11-10-2016 03:27 PM)Sonoma Wrote:  

Are you ugly? Have you been not attractive most of your life?

No, I've been told I've good looking by several different people and get a lot of attention from girls from my ethnicity. I would rate myself around a 7-7.5 I would say and I dress really well too, with people always complimenting my style. I lift and take care of my body and always sporting blazers, pocket squares, whenever I go to do nightgame.

[Carmichael Reid]

You're Chasing the Money.

Stop taking girls opinions (or non-opinions) of you so seriously.
When you truly believe you are The Man and they are missing out...
The Game Changes.
You gotta have things going on where you don't care if they reject you or not.

I don't think it's motivation you need. You need some serious surgery on your self-esteem.
You sound frustrated and needy... You have to eliminate this Very, Very Quickly. Or I don't think you'll get laid again...
Vicious Cycle.

I don't want to offer a specific solution (I don't believe in Silver-Bullets), because this is a very personal matter you need to deal with.

Women can smell desperation.

George Carlin had a quote: "Some things a king NEVER has to say 'Can I play too?' ... 'Hey guys, wait for me!'... 'I never seem to get laid.'"

You don't sound like a King. Become the King!!! (if you want)...

The wins will come if you Stop Caring What People THINK of you and get girls caring about what you think of them.

Quitting?! What are your alternatives? Robot Women?

[Nater]

Out of the 600-700 approaches how many dates? Kiss closes? Bangs?

What was your approach strategy? What are your logistics?

I can relate to your story, I recently had a phase like this.

I was frustrated about life and dating just like you. Why do I have it harder than others? I went out at night and approached during the day but I was unable to be with the girls that I wanted. Yet I am more interesting than most guys my age. I can tell stories, I have interesting hobbies but I couldn't get what I wanted.

I was depressed and I had suicidal thoughts. I stopped gaming chicks altogether, stopped going to the gym and it only got worst... Until last week, I listened to the Gorilla Mindset for 5 minutes and everything made sense once again. YOU'RE NOT A VICTIM!

Here is what I try to do and maybe it can help you:

Stop comparing yourself to others. I know it's hard but there will always be people that have it easier and harder than you in life and there is nothing you can do about it. This one is the biggest motivation killer.

My little brother has fucked more girls than me. My friend sent me pictures of him banging a beautiful blonde. I am not jealous but it makes me feel like shit.

The truth is that I was a virgin before starting the game and 6 months later, I have kissed several girls and fucked 2. This is not a big achievement but it's a infinity % increase. My logistics suck and I can do better in terms of clothing and money in general.

Spirituality can help you with this frustration, meditation also I guess. It might seem odd for a number of people but this helped me a lot to reduce the frustration of life that I had in general. Believing in something can take weight off your shoulders.

Be thankful. Then try to improve yourself and be the best men.

Hope this helps!

[heavy]

First off we've all been there. Even dudes who have their shit together on here have been there, after the last chick and before the next. We all know the feeling of needing a hole and not having one.

Secondly, it sounds like you're focusing too much time and effort on game. Focus on other things that take your time as well.

Third, be honest with yourself. Hell, be honest with a girl if you want. I actually think honesty is crucial for newbies and/or for guys going through a drought. I know it's helped me before. (often not popular with pickup community)

It's why I don't judge a guy taking home a fatty if he's on a cold streak...they're so horny they'd fuck a football and last about 5 seconds. Sure, they look back and wonder how or why, but in the moment it's what they needed. At least they're being honest. Better than thinking you're better than him and jerking off to porn.

[Vinny]

@Destiny: You are OK dude. Keep on grinding. The only problem is that you are in Riga, during the winter. Check your journal I have some ideas for you.

[kiwi12]

Dude i checked your journal and you sound so NEGATIVE. From first post there is so much negativity beaming from your writings, about you, about places and people around you. You come off as negative value leeching guy.

I will recommend you book that helped me in hard times and changed my life A Guide to the Good Life: The Ancient Art of Stoic Joy . You can find it for free on internet if you cant buy it.

[superschalk]

Hey mate!

I following your journal and its great you keep track on everything. How old are you if I may ask? From your journal I think your are trying too hard. Stop reading the game section of the forum and just try to be yourself. From your journal I get the impression that all you think is about game and how to game. You do not have to seem fun. Just go out and have a blast and enjoy Krakow. Its a great city to party and get drunk. As someone mentioned above that girls can smell desperation and this is true. I usually meet girls when I am in a I don't give a fuck mood and when I am enjoying myself, the club where I am and the crowd which is around me.

Despite that Riga and Krakow are not known as the easiest places in EE. So for your next trip try some easier places in EE. But in general I think you will learn from your experience and this would help you in the future. So just keep it up but just don't try too hard and better enjoy your trip even if you don't land girls.

[destiny]

(11-11-2016 02:42 AM)superschalk Wrote:  

Hey mate!

I following your journal and its great you keep track on everything. How old are you if I may ask? From your journal I think your are trying too hard. Stop reading the game section of the forum and just try to be yourself. From your journal I get the impression that all you think is about game and how to game. You do not have to seem fun. Just go out and have a blast and enjoy Krakow. Its a great city to party and get drunk. As someone mentioned above that girls can smell desperation and this is true. I usually meet girls when I am in a I don't give a fuck mood and when I am enjoying myself, the club where I am and the crowd which is around me.

Despite that Riga and Krakow are not known as the easiest places in EE. So for your next trip try some easier places in EE. But in general I think you will learn from your experience and this would help you in the future. So just keep it up but just don't try too hard and better enjoy your trip even if you don't land girls.

I'm 31 now. Very late to the game and trying to play catch up desperately.

[destiny]

(11-10-2016 04:46 PM)Nater Wrote:  

Out of the 600-700 approaches how many dates? Kiss closes? Bangs?

What was your approach strategy? What are your logistics?

I can relate to your story, I recently had a phase like this.

I was frustrated about life and dating just like you. Why do I have it harder than others? I went out at night and approached during the day but I was unable to be with the girls that I wanted. Yet I am more interesting than most guys my age. I can tell stories, I have interesting hobbies but I couldn't get what I wanted.

I was depressed and I had suicidal thoughts. I stopped gaming chicks altogether, stopped going to the gym and it only got worst... Until last week, I listened to the Gorilla Mindset for 5 minutes and everything made sense once again. YOU'RE NOT A VICTIM!

Here is what I try to do and maybe it can help you:

Stop comparing yourself to others. I know it's hard but there will always be people that have it easier and harder than you in life and there is nothing you can do about it. This one is the biggest motivation killer.

My little brother has fucked more girls than me. My friend sent me pictures of him banging a beautiful blonde. I am not jealous but it makes me feel like shit.

The truth is that I was a virgin before starting the game and 6 months later, I have kissed several girls and fucked 2. This is not a big achievement but it's a infinity % increase. My logistics suck and I can do better in terms of clothing and money in general.

Spirituality can help you with this frustration, meditation also I guess. It might seem odd for a number of people but this helped me a lot to reduce the frustration of life that I had in general. Believing in something can take weight off your shoulders.

Be thankful. Then try to improve yourself and be the best men.

Hope this helps!

Dates, I would place around 3-5 I think. I can't remember, the first 200-300 were pretty bad because I just started in game. From around 300-400, I started to get more and more numbers and then from 400-500 started to get dates.

I tried direct and indirect approaches and find indirect yielded way better results for me so I just stick to that. Logistics was really bad before but now I'm on vacation in Europe so its really good. I was out drinking with two Americans last night and they were like "dude, your tall, you dress really well, and you know how to talk to chicks, I've seen you do it, you can do this." My biggest hiccup is during the dates. I have problems generating a sexual vibe and conveying that interest. In fact, often times I would choke and get nervous and that funny charming guy would disappear and turn into a mumbling idiot.

[ksbms]

(11-11-2016 04:47 AM)destiny Wrote:  

(11-10-2016 04:46 PM)Nater Wrote:  

Out of the 600-700 approaches how many dates? Kiss closes? Bangs?

What was your approach strategy? What are your logistics?

I can relate to your story, I recently had a phase like this.

I was frustrated about life and dating just like you. Why do I have it harder than others? I went out at night and approached during the day but I was unable to be with the girls that I wanted. Yet I am more interesting than most guys my age. I can tell stories, I have interesting hobbies but I couldn't get what I wanted.

I was depressed and I had suicidal thoughts. I stopped gaming chicks altogether, stopped going to the gym and it only got worst... Until last week, I listened to the Gorilla Mindset for 5 minutes and everything made sense once again. YOU'RE NOT A VICTIM!

Here is what I try to do and maybe it can help you:

Stop comparing yourself to others. I know it's hard but there will always be people that have it easier and harder than you in life and there is nothing you can do about it. This one is the biggest motivation killer.

My little brother has fucked more girls than me. My friend sent me pictures of him banging a beautiful blonde. I am not jealous but it makes me feel like shit.

The truth is that I was a virgin before starting the game and 6 months later, I have kissed several girls and fucked 2. This is not a big achievement but it's a infinity % increase. My logistics suck and I can do better in terms of clothing and money in general.

Spirituality can help you with this frustration, meditation also I guess. It might seem odd for a number of people but this helped me a lot to reduce the frustration of life that I had in general. Believing in something can take weight off your shoulders.

Be thankful. Then try to improve yourself and be the best men.

Hope this helps!

Dates, I would place around 3-5 I think. I can't remember, the first 200-300 were pretty bad because I just started in game. From around 300-400, I started to get more and more numbers and then from 400-500 started to get dates.

I tried direct and indirect approaches and find indirect yielded way better results for me so I just stick to that. Logistics was really bad before but now I'm on vacation in Europe so its really good. I was out drinking with two Americans last night and they were like "dude, your tall, you dress really well, and you know how to talk to chicks, I've seen you do it, you can do this." My biggest hiccup is during the dates. I have problems generating a sexual vibe and conveying that interest. In fact, often times I would choke and get nervous and that funny charming guy would disappear and turn into a mumbling idiot.

If you reached > 500 without a bang, then I'd invest in a coach. If you can't get a first bang under 100 approaches it means you're probably not that good at unsupervised learning and interpreting (scant, mostly non-verbal) feedback girls give to you so as to make some improvements during each next iteration of approaches. Alternatively, there are some other significant issues at play - incredibly hostile environment you're in or some psychological problems or both?


Speaking of a coach. He doesn't need to be someone famous (even better - it can be a friend of yours who's good with girls), just anyone who has basic game under his belt. You can easily vet him by asking him to demonstrate getting a few numbers and one or two instantdates. Then, you'd do your part and get some good feedback hopefully. I think your time and related stress (which has both psychological and physiological impact), is worth to spend one to two days with a coach and some cash. Ideally, you'd repeat with two to three coaches - if their feedback converges, then they are definitely onto something and to some degree they identified the underlying problem. If all of them say completely different things in regard what should you improve, then perhaps the issue(s) is still not identified. I would suggest to entirely ditch online. Myself, I see it as a psychologically draining activity, never felt good about it, and return on investment (from what I heard) is not that great.

Also, give yourself a permission to fail. If you're on a date, don't try too hard (paradoxically, your getting too stressed about the outcome makes you fail) and just say to yourself 'fuck it, I'm gonna fuck it up but at least I'm going to have a good time. There's always another girl around the corner'.

[crispytaco]

(11-11-2016 06:14 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

Also, give yourself a permission to fail. If you're on a date, don't try too hard (paradoxically, your getting too stressed about the outcome makes you fail) and just say to yourself 'fuck it, I'm gonna fuck it up but at least I'm going to have a good time. There's always another girl around the corner'.

This

In addition, how is your personal life out of the "game" ? Do you have other goals? Successful men atracts women. Make girls see you don't care very much about them, because you have good life. Get a wingman, go out, have fun regardless the outcome.

Go travel, one of the members here had 1000 approaches with zero success, he went to another country and here is where he starting having success.

Keep working in your body, fashion, body language, etc. That shit never ends.

About the online game, you said you got professional help... I haven't seen your pics, but try not to have "no shirt" pics (too needy), put one outdoors having fun, and one petting a dog while smiling, or something like that.

[destiny]

(11-11-2016 09:55 AM)crispytaco Wrote:  

(11-11-2016 06:14 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

Also, give yourself a permission to fail. If you're on a date, don't try too hard (paradoxically, your getting too stressed about the outcome makes you fail) and just say to yourself 'fuck it, I'm gonna fuck it up but at least I'm going to have a good time. There's always another girl around the corner'.

This

In addition, how is your personal life out of the "game" ? Do you have other goals? Successful men atracts women. Make girls see you don't care very much about them, because you have good life. Get a wingman, go out, have fun regardless the outcome.

Go travel, one of the members here had 1000 approaches with zero success, he went to another country and here is where he starting having success.

Keep working in your body, fashion, body language, etc. That shit never ends.

About the online game, you said you got professional help... I haven't seen your pics, but try not to have "no shirt" pics (too needy), put one outdoors having fun, and one petting a dog while smiling, or something like that.

Some parts of my life outside of game is ok, so not so much. I had a huge falling out with my best friend about a year ago. He threw away a 20+ year friendship because I showed a mutual friend a video about the migrant crisis right now. He got offended since he's from the middle east and then started taking jabs at me. But I think the real reason was that he saw that I was trying to improve my life and doing things he didn't dare do like approaching girls, trying to expand my social circle, traveling alone with him, etc. He was trying to keep me down. I remember one time when we drove past some nice houses by the lake and I told him I wanted to own one of those houses on day, he said you won't be able to own one in your lifetime. Anyways my old social circle was full of negative people who liked to put me down or be complacent so I got rid of them all.

My fitness is alright. I workout regularly although now I've stopped because I'm traveling and also because I still have a cold.

Finances need work and I was working on becoming location independent prior to going on my trip working on self publishing several books.

My personal goals at the moment were outside of game:
get to 10% bodyfat (currently around 14-15%)
build up a new social circle of friends who are value givers not takers and don't try to put me down every opportunity they have.
become location independent and make a full time salary with it
move out of toronto.

I'm currently in Krakow right now, just finished Riga so I am traveling. As for the online thing, I have one prof photo of me in a dress shirt and stuff, one of me with my dog and smiling, one of my boxing, a funny pic of me me eating a pinapple with the skin on while people are praising me, and one of my in paris posing near the lovre. I thought it was pretty well rounded.

[DarkTriad]

"I've been going out practically everyday doing daygame, nightgame, online, etc and gotten no where."


Have you been putting an equal amount of effort into improving yourself? Marketing is great, but it's limited if the product still has serious flaws that haven't been fixed. Nobody is "unmatching you for no reason", there is always a reason, you just haven't figured it out (and fixed it) yet.

Is your physique flawed? Can control your face much, but your body is your canvas....if you have the will and desire. Do you you have washboard abs or a spare tire?

Is your fashion on point? Do you study it on fashion forums and make sure you have the best look for you? You may not realize it, but your top competition doesn't even need to to study it, they've been immersed in it their whole lives, they're always looking and thinking "That would look so good on me!" while you blunder by unawares. Playing catch up means doing the extra work to catch up in every facet of your life, not just "going out" and expecting it to be handed to you.

[LINUX]

Go meet a senior member of the forum who has a proven track record with women which is evidenced by other forum members meeting him.

Have a beer with him and he'll be able to tell you exactly what you're doing wrong and what you need to work on.

I wouldn't look too much into the advice you get online. There are too many variables.

I know at least 50 guys here who would be able to help you.

Do this before you throw in the towel.

[Stimulus]

(11-11-2016 01:27 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

"I've been going out practically everyday doing daygame, nightgame, online, etc and gotten no where."


Have you been putting an equal amount of effort into improving yourself? Marketing is great, but it's limited if the product still has serious flaws that haven't been fixed. Nobody is "unmatching you for no reason", there is always a reason, you just haven't figured it out (and fixed it) yet.

Is your physique flawed? Can control your face much, but your body is your canvas....if you have the will and desire. Do you you have washboard abs or a spare tire?

Is your fashion on point? Do you study it on fashion forums and make sure you have the best look for you? You may not realize it, but your top competition doesn't even need to to study it, they've been immersed in it their whole lives, they're always looking and thinking "That would look so good on me!" while you blunder by unawares. Playing catch up means doing the extra work to catch up in every facet of your life, not just "going out" and expecting it to be handed to you.

I have to disagree. First and foremost you need to be in tune with yourself, being happy with who you are is the most important aspect. How can you expect that girl to like you when YOU don't even like yourself. Get a good mindset and from there improve all other aspects of your life. Above points can help you achieve that but they are no free pass to pussy whatsoever.

I'm not debating you on your points being false but they aren't on top of the pyramid either.

[destiny]

(11-11-2016 01:27 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

"I've been going out practically everyday doing daygame, nightgame, online, etc and gotten no where."


Have you been putting an equal amount of effort into improving yourself? Marketing is great, but it's limited if the product still has serious flaws that haven't been fixed. Nobody is "unmatching you for no reason", there is always a reason, you just haven't figured it out (and fixed it) yet.

Is your physique flawed? Can control your face much, but your body is your canvas....if you have the will and desire. Do you you have washboard abs or a spare tire?

Is your fashion on point? Do you study it on fashion forums and make sure you have the best look for you? You may not realize it, but your top competition doesn't even need to to study it, they've been immersed in it their whole lives, they're always looking and thinking "That would look so good on me!" while you blunder by unawares. Playing catch up means doing the extra work to catch up in every facet of your life, not just "going out" and expecting it to be handed to you.

I don't think my physique is flawed and neither is my face although I am a minority. I tested my tinder profile in 3-4 different countries and I got a shit tonne of matches in Tunisia and also Asia. My fashion is on point, I studied fashion from magazines and forums a while back and always have people complimenting my fashion. My social skills have improved tremendously and I have gone through several different workshops like toastmasters and improv comedy which really helps me spit out random stuff at girls and also build a connection really quickly with people as well.

[subterfuge]

There's always a tendency to harp on about 'inner game'. ''Get more hobbies, get a good job etc etc''. I think that that's good advice 'in general' but I think maybe it's misguided to assume it'll help you get girls.

I don't know about anyone else here, but I know a fair few people with zero job, they've never had a job, their only hobby is getting high, and yet they do extremely well with girls.

Similarly, I have a number of friends who are very successful and have very well paid jobs, they have various hobbies, and they SUCK with girls!! Some of them REALLY suck!!

When I first registered on SEDDIT, everyone told me to get more hobbies and earn more money. The main suggestion was to learn an instrument.

I went and learnt TWO instruments. The piano and the guitar. I can play them both now. I also got a better oaid job.

However, I didn't get any better at pulling girls! I already have a good body and good fashion sense.

Being that this is a game forum, I'd suggest that maybe Destiny is doing something terribly wrong in terms of his 'game'. I don't know that for sure obviously, and i'm also in no position to advise since I must be awful, too!

I have some questions, such as:
-What do you tend to talk about after you approach
-How are you showing your intent? Just through kino? Do you ever blatantly tell them that you think they are hot? (I hear very mixed opinions on the latter and am still unsure of whether it's 'correct' or not!)
-Do you do any sort of 'routines' at all?
-Do you try to force certain topics in order to maybe sexualise the conversation at all?
-Are you seeing any patterns in terms of 'success' - not necessarily getting laid, but in your better interactions

Maybe those who actually know how this stuff works can ask more pertinent questions,as i'm the last person too offer anyone advice, but just think maybe a more technical discussion might help, bearing in mind it sounds like he has done a lot of stuff in terms of 'inner game' which doesn't seem to haev helped him a great deal

[Hazaer]

(11-10-2016 02:27 PM)destiny Wrote:  

I'm getting extremely frustrated with learning game and dating. I've been going out practically everyday doing daygame, nightgame, online, etc and gotten no where. Online is probably the worst. I paid for a photographer to get some professional photos done and it hasn't yielded much results. I've maybe gotten 1 more extra match on tinder since putting in the new profile pics. I get girls unmatching me soon after getting a match for no reason while others don't even answer my messages. I mean what the hell is the point of even matching with me then? Its really fucking depressing to be putting in all of that work and have nothing to show for you, yet you walk around the city and you see couples walking hand in hand or guys who you know just get laid through social circle without much work. The grind and pain threshold is just too much now.

I don't know what the hell to do anymore. I'm exhausted and pissed at the same time and my fucking friends are telling me I have no game and should just quit while the either go for fatties or get girls handed to them from social circle. This journey has been extremely humiliating and humbling at the same time. I don't think I've ever felt like this every before in my life. I just don't understand why I can't just get it! The secret to solving this part of my life that I've longed for a very very long time to fix and despite my efforts and continued efforts each day brushing off the bruise of the previous day's failure, I just can't do it. I just don't understand why I must go through this. I don't consider myself a terrible person but why am I always the one who must endure this pain while others have such easier lives?

I can feel you man. I am kind of in the same boat, been practicing game for more than a year with minimum results. Just going by your post, I have some comments which I found to be useful or have been suggested by the more senior members.

1. Reduce your usage of online game and use that time on the ground. Its a past time for girls and most of the time, its for their amusement. The guy in the flesh is always going to have a bigger impact for them.

2. It looks like you have told your friends that you are into game. Its my opinion that it does more harm than good especially if they are below your level of game. They WILL put you down and make you question yourself. I have some people in my social circle who are like your friend you mentioned in your posts. It's very depressing to be around and cut them all out of your life especially for the game part of it if you do not have shared commitments. Going solo is better than having confrontational and back stabbing blue pillers around you. I learnt this the hard way. Daygame is perfect if you are going solo if you are in major cities but its not good for nightgame. Reduce going out at night.

3. Once you are going solo, you might be fortunate to meet similar minded people. Roll with them and add value to them just as they are doing for you. Redpill guys like this will always have girls around them in their social circle even if they dont really want it that much. Try out your game with these girls who would be willing to know more about you and this will ramp up the attraction. At this stage, you will be able to easily do both day solo and night game with this group. Rebuilding your social circle might be your best bet before you can effectively start pulling girls solo.

4. If you are good looking, have good clothing style and have done toastmaster and stuff as you said, you should be doing well. If you still are not, you might be overdoing the verbal game and coming across as needy or girls are suspicious that might be some PUA guy. You got to be down to earth and spontaneous as well. I realize that girls find it endearing if you even act a little beta sometimes without you noticing if that is your genuine self and it comes across as truthful. This is more so in Europe from what I read.

5. Also, try not to set your aims too high. Try to even get on with 6.5 if possible and calibrate upwards from that experience. All of us have done it with girls who we are not especially proud of.

Hope to hear good news from you soon.

[Off The Reservation]

(11-11-2016 01:44 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

Go meet a senior member of the forum who has a proven track record with women which is evidenced by other forum members meeting him.

Have a beer with him and he'll be able to tell you exactly what you're doing wrong and what you need to work on.

I wouldn't look too much into the advice you get online. There are too many variables.

I know at least 50 guys here who would be able to help you.

Do this before you throw in the towel.

LINUX pretty much says it all man.

I have not been to Riga but I am jealous it looks like some of the hottest women in the world.

Be objective, this friendship got you nowhere and fell apart over a comment or an honest inquiry to a social issue? It couldn't survive one youtube video? Then you might just have been wasting time. In fact such a rapid "breakup" maybe the guy is some kind of borderline and its not about the video.

Why don't you approach when you really want to instead of because the pua community says you should. Use the rest of the time to get real about what you want out of life.

What makes you internally and sincerely confident enough (for what virtues or achievements or qualities) that you KNOW these women will want you.

As far as your journal which other people mentioned, sounds pretty miserable to me. You don't seem to be thinking about what it is you want to do. You sound like you are stuck in the high school band van on the way to a long road trip but you hate band.

Can't answer that question above? Back to "internal game."

[dknightbro]

start traveling and finding your poosy paradise

or if u can't, at least don't give up yet until you've given that option a shot

at worst, you might not find a paradise BUT I guarantee you'll at least find the BEST option for you

I never sought out intentionally to find a poosy paradise, but I made some odd decisions in life and ended up waking up one day after a lot of self-introspection + analysis of my surroundings to realize I've somehow accidentally stumbled into a goldmine

my experience is girls in the Western countries are simply less feminine than ones in other countries and the experience you get from interacting with a feminine girl is more than worth the travel...you won't look at non-feminine girls the same way again (their "tests" which were once an obstacle now simply roll off your back like water)