[Que enspastic]

It's got to be Yang

[Genghis Khan]

Buttigieg is getting some major backlash. Lots of people are seeing through his BS.

[url=https://twitter.com/RealTrevorReese/status/1115437332121960448][/url]

Even The Young Turks a while back called him out:

It's clear to many people that Buttigieg is the elite's current chosen candidate.

My tentative prediction:

in General Election:

Yang beats Trump.

Trump beats Buttigieg.

What remains to be seen is if Yang beats Buttigieg in D primaries.

[911]

Great pic, it conveys the overhyped, fabricated "brilliant young candidate" cart that Obama rode to the White House.


Buttgig is such a manufactured candidate, he's just a slicker and more subservive version of Beto, a hardcore Gramsciite. Look at the cover picture of his book, his handlers went as far as making sure that the colors of his shirt and tie match those of the main street building in the background:

[CynicalContrarian]

The soy is strong with Butt-goy.

[Ouroboros]

Tulsi Gabbard finally got over the 65,000 donations threshold to qualify for the Democrat debates later this year: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...ea243ffad8

She seems reasonable, hopefully she will be able to capitalise on the exposure and become less of a long-shot candidate.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Yang/Gabbard would be interesting to see, and coming from a literal Nazi that's really saying something.

[911]

Jawohl, Herr Neubache.

[BlueMark]

(04-11-2019 10:14 AM)Ouroboros Wrote:  

Tulsi Gabbard finally got over the 65,000 donations threshold to qualify for the Democrat debates later this year: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...ea243ffad8

She seems reasonable, hopefully she will be able to capitalise on the exposure and become less of a long-shot candidate.

Honest question: I wonder how well it would go down in the debates if she said "Remember when we Dems used to be anti-war and anti-blood-for-oil? What happened to us?"

[eradicator]

(04-11-2019 05:51 PM)BlueMark Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 10:14 AM)Ouroboros Wrote:  

Tulsi Gabbard finally got over the 65,000 donations threshold to qualify for the Democrat debates later this year: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...ea243ffad8

She seems reasonable, hopefully she will be able to capitalise on the exposure and become less of a long-shot candidate.

Honest question: I wonder how well it would go down in the debates if she said "Remember when we Dems used to be anti-war and anti-blood-for-oil? What happened to us?"

"Orange woman bad. Vote gay man or black lady".

[The Black Knight]

(04-11-2019 06:41 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 05:51 PM)BlueMark Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 10:14 AM)Ouroboros Wrote:  

Tulsi Gabbard finally got over the 65,000 donations threshold to qualify for the Democrat debates later this year: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...ea243ffad8

She seems reasonable, hopefully she will be able to capitalise on the exposure and become less of a long-shot candidate.

Honest question: I wonder how well it would go down in the debates if she said "Remember when we Dems used to be anti-war and anti-blood-for-oil? What happened to us?"

"Orange woman bad. Vote gay man or black lady".

It's hard to say right now.

Personally, I think there is a silent majority of democrats or democrat leaning people out there, desperate to a return to something resembling normalcy. They want to get back to economic issues and away from the SJW/identity politics stupidity.

Think of guys like Tim Pool. Never would vote for Trump, is liberal in beliefs, but is not batshit crazy and can be objective for the most part.

Right now, Biden is leading the polls. Remember when Jeb was the de-facto leader and then he became a joke by the end? Same thing could happen here; whether it's Biden or some other well known establishment approved candidate. The tide favors an authentic outsider right now. Most of the DEM line up are career politicians with very little in the way of worthwhile groundbreaking policy or anything resembling a semi-authentic personality.

Harris?
Booker?
O'Rourke?
Buttgig?

These people are jokes; Presidential candidates for a bygone era of overly manufactured focus group approved sterile empty personalities.

Who is a contender in 2020?

1. Sanders - But he has a mad scientist vibe thing going on and is old as fuck. He will be pushing 80 when sworn-in. He blew his load in 2016 and some former Bernie Bros are salty about how he handled things.

2. Warren - She fucked herself with her Native American bullshit and her hardcore Never Trump non-sense. But she is putting out real proposals to deal with wealth inequality.

3. Yang - Has a well thought out nuanced platform that if enacted, would result in enormous positive change for many people across the political spectrum.

4. Tulsi - Is anti-war and... ?

Yang and Tulsi really haven't gotten any major level exposure yet so it's impossible to say how far they will go. However, Yang could really resonate with his message once the initial shock of UBI and the possible implications wears off if early indications prove anything.

Another thing Yang has going for him is that he is not tied up into the whole Russia Hoax non-sense. I think there is going to be some BIG EGG on peoples faces, namely nearly everybody running in the primary except Yang (and maybe Tulsi), when the fallout from the Mueller Report really comes out via arrests of people like Comey and/or Brennan. That will be good for Trump and good for anyone who didn't scream "Russian Puppet" for several years.

Out of of every dem running, who does that leave left when you add in the authentic outsider bit requirement? Not a whole lot with Yang being the strongest contender.

In the Yang thread, we have seen numerous people pop in there uninformed about the very basics of the UBI and being very skeptical if not outright hostile. The same process will likely occur once if/when Yang gets major exposure; which I'm guessing right now will be the debates. Once the initial shock wears off, I expect Yang's support to grow and solidify rapidly. This is all assuming Yang presents well at the debates and holds his ground.

Of course, the DEMe will rig things to trip up guys like Yang who actually will do something good for normal people. They are doing it already trying to paint him as some white nationalist sympathizer and he isn't even past 1-3% in the polls yet. Fortunately, many people are seeing the MSM for the fraud it is and calling out the hit job.

Compare that to the asslicking Buttgig, another relative unknown, has gotten over the past month.

The fact that they are coming after Yang so harshly and so early just validates my belief that he is the real deal, a real threat to the system, and must be supported with additional resolve.

[SW15]

I'm thinking either Kamala Harris or Beto O'Rourke is the nominee. Leaning towards Harris. Beto scares me. He nearly won a Senate seat in Texas. Ted Cruz is an unlikable guy and Texas has turned more blue to increasing urbanization in Dallas and Houston, Austin marketing to the SJW crowd, Hispanic population growth, etc.

I live in Dallas. Last summer, even driving around the most affluent areas in Metro Dallas, there were a ton of Beto O'Rourke signs. Beto actually won the rich areas of Dallas County.

Beto gets a lot of fawning coverage in the media.

I think Kamala gets it because of the non-white and woman thing though.

[911]

(04-12-2019 03:51 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 06:41 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 05:51 PM)BlueMark Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 10:14 AM)Ouroboros Wrote:  

Tulsi Gabbard finally got over the 65,000 donations threshold to qualify for the Democrat debates later this year: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...ea243ffad8

She seems reasonable, hopefully she will be able to capitalise on the exposure and become less of a long-shot candidate.

Honest question: I wonder how well it would go down in the debates if she said "Remember when we Dems used to be anti-war and anti-blood-for-oil? What happened to us?"

"Orange woman bad. Vote gay man or black lady".

It's hard to say right now.

Personally, I think there is a silent majority of democrats or democrat leaning people out there, desperate to a return to something resembling normalcy. They want to get back to economic issues and away from the SJW/identity politics stupidity.

...


4. Tulsi - Is anti-war and... ?

Yang and Tulsi really haven't gotten any major level exposure yet so it's impossible to say how far they will go. However, Yang could really resonate with his message once the initial shock of UBI and the possible implications wears off if early indications prove anything.

Another thing Yang has going for him is that he is not tied up into the whole Russia Hoax non-sense. I think there is going to be some BIG EGG on peoples faces, namely nearly everybody running in the primary except Yang (and maybe Tulsi), when the fallout from the Mueller Report really comes out via arrests of people like Comey and/or Brennan. That will be good for Trump and good for anyone who didn't scream "Russian Puppet" for several years.

Out of of every dem running, who does that leave left when you add in the authentic outsider bit requirement? Not a whole lot with Yang being the strongest contender.

...

I think Tulsi is the only genuinely anti-establishment candidate of the bunch. Clearly anti-interventionist and anti-neocon, she also came out strongly against the Assange arrest, essentially saying that it was the deep state's retribution against whistleblowers, and that it set a very dangerous precedent. Other than Rand Paul I don't think anybody else has condemned the arrest.

[CynicalContrarian]

Mark these in your diaries.
These first two should prove to be rather entertaining from a comedy point of view.

Democratic primary debates :

1 June 26–27, 2019 - Miami - NBC News, MSNBC, Telemundo
2 July 30–31, 2019 - Detroit - CNN

[911]

I wonder which candidates are going to get the debate questions in advance, I would guess Buttgig and Kamala.

[CynicalContrarian]

Huh.

Quote:

FLORIDA VOTER REGISTRATION. In 2008, when Obama was elected Democrats controlled 34 of 67 (51%) counties in Florida. Today Democrats control 22 (33%). Projections by 2020 are 14 (21%).

— FloridaDude297 (@FloridaDude297) April 13, 2019

[The Black Knight]

(04-13-2019 02:33 PM)911 Wrote:  

(04-12-2019 03:51 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 06:41 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 05:51 PM)BlueMark Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 10:14 AM)Ouroboros Wrote:  

Tulsi Gabbard finally got over the 65,000 donations threshold to qualify for the Democrat debates later this year: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...ea243ffad8

She seems reasonable, hopefully she will be able to capitalise on the exposure and become less of a long-shot candidate.

Honest question: I wonder how well it would go down in the debates if she said "Remember when we Dems used to be anti-war and anti-blood-for-oil? What happened to us?"

"Orange woman bad. Vote gay man or black lady".

It's hard to say right now.

Personally, I think there is a silent majority of democrats or democrat leaning people out there, desperate to a return to something resembling normalcy. They want to get back to economic issues and away from the SJW/identity politics stupidity.

...


4. Tulsi - Is anti-war and... ?

Yang and Tulsi really haven't gotten any major level exposure yet so it's impossible to say how far they will go. However, Yang could really resonate with his message once the initial shock of UBI and the possible implications wears off if early indications prove anything.

Another thing Yang has going for him is that he is not tied up into the whole Russia Hoax non-sense. I think there is going to be some BIG EGG on peoples faces, namely nearly everybody running in the primary except Yang (and maybe Tulsi), when the fallout from the Mueller Report really comes out via arrests of people like Comey and/or Brennan. That will be good for Trump and good for anyone who didn't scream "Russian Puppet" for several years.

Out of of every dem running, who does that leave left when you add in the authentic outsider bit requirement? Not a whole lot with Yang being the strongest contender.

...

I think Tulsi is the only genuinely anti-establishment candidate of the bunch. Clearly anti-interventionist and anti-neocon, she also came out strongly against the Assange arrest, essentially saying that it was the deep state's retribution against whistleblowers, and that it set a very dangerous precedent. Other than Rand Paul I don't think anybody else has condemned the arrest.

Yeah... she is very legit on certain subjects. A Yang-Tulsi ticket would be awesome sauce from the looks of it. From just looking at some of her tweets, she would bring a nice balance to Yang's optimism and idealism on certain issues. Just in general, she seems to be a good fit for Yang as a VP candidate with her governmental experience, woman/minority card, and specific foreign policy platform and experience. Have to wonder if she is gunning for a VP pick from Sanders though.

[/url]

[url=https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1116671800090382336]

[CynicalContrarian]

The media may have readily rigged polls against Trump.
Wonder what the rigging, if any, would be in play for all the DNC dunces? :

[Genghis Khan]

The butt guy really worries me.

[url=https://twitter.com/PhilipWegmann/status/1117754264439414784][/url]

Good news for Yang as he's now polling at 3%, but damn if Buttigieg isn't at 9%.

Buttigieg also raised over a million in the past day (he officially announced yesterday).

I'm hoping more people see through Buttigieg's bullshit, but you never know.

[Easy_C]

They didn't see through Obama and they're both exactly the same kind of manufactured candidate.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Black vs (openly) gay.

They may be overreaching on this one.

Still, I'm pretty much finished assuming that people's votes even matter. I'm not even certain any more that the elites wanted Hillary to win.

[Genghis Khan]

(04-15-2019 10:31 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  

They didn't see through Obama and they're both exactly the same kind of manufactured candidate.

It's a good point.

But we've experienced 8 years of Obama. Plenty of people have seen what a "Yes, We Can" Nobel Peach Prize winning president actually entails and for the important stuff that he ran on (anti-war, anti-Wall Street). He was a business as usual president.

The question for me is really how many people now understand what a second Obama would entail. There are plenty of people who voted for Obama who would never vote for him today. Whether that amount is large enough to make a different, that I do not know.

[SamuelBRoberts]

[url=https://twitter.com/PhilipWegmann/status/1117754264439414784][/url]

Wow, is Trump really gonna run against Butt-Gig?

[CynicalContrarian]

"New national Emerson poll:

—Bernie Sanders: 29%
—Joe Biden: 24%
—Pete Buttigieg: 9%
—Beto O’Rourke: 8%
—Kamala Harris: 8%
—Elizabeth Warren: 7%
—Andrew Yang: 3%"

[SamuelBRoberts]

Looking at that list, wow it's a terrible list.
You've got, from top to bottom: an old geezer, a pedo, a nobody, a guy whose claim to fame is losing an election, the angriest, most scowling woman in all of caifornia, fauxahontas, and at the bottom, Andrew Yang.

If Yang doesn't pull it off (And numbers are not in his favor as much as I like the guy) Trump might walk away with an easy win.

[The Black Knight]

(04-15-2019 11:39 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

[url=https://twitter.com/PhilipWegmann/status/1117754264439414784][/url]

Wow, is Trump really gonna run against Butt-Gig?

Not likely.

I read a theory somewhere that Buttgig is suddenly getting a lot of attention and money due to Biden's campaign bid test balloon blowing up. The timing of Buttgig's rise in combination with Biden's fall is not likely a random coincidence; it's the establishment scrambling trying to find an alternative to Biden.

There are basically three battles going on from what I can tell.

1. The establishment lane - Looked like Biden's (and still might be) but now maybe Buttgig's but not very likely. Harris, Booker,and Beto all have major flaws. Buttgig might be the most palatable (i.e. controllable) after Biden and so, he is getting the flavor of the month treatment right now. He also has Gay Armor which makes everyone else having to walk around egg shells around him. But even some democrats are seeing through his empty suit bullshit so his trial run balloon will likely pop eventually. It's very likely we haven't seen the final establishment candidate yet.

GOP 2016 equivalent: Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, John Kasich.

2. The insider "anti-establishment" lane - Sanders and Warren. Sanders is killing Warren here.

GOP 2016 equivalent: Ted Cruz.

3. The wild card/true anti-establishment lane - Yang and Tulsi. Yang is gaining momentum on pace with what little exposure and money he has had thus far. Tulsi is hanging by a thread.

GOP 2016 equivalent: Trump and Rand Paul (sort of).

Once the first round of debates settle, I think we are gonna see three major contenders:

1. <Establishment person>.
2. Sanders.
3. Yang.

The tide favors an authentic outsider; similar to 2016.

In the 2016 GOP primary, it got down to Cruz and Trump ultimately.

On the dem side, it could come down to Sanders vs Yang and hence why I've said before, Sanders is Yang's biggest threat.

But just like Cruz, Sanders has known major flaws that can be exploited.

Yang's path to winning the nominations rests on the establishment candidate(s) being flawed enough and Sanders either having a medical issue and bowing out and/or looking like the weaker "anti-establishment" option vs Yang in the debates.

Remember when Cruz position himself as an "outsider" of DC and then Trump came in and stole his thunder by being the real deal outsider? Yang is gonna need to peel off some Bernie Bros by diplomatically pointing things out like the aforementioned to have a decent chance in winning the primary ultimately. He has done this already. with only little exposure, so things are on the up and up for Yang. Yang doesn't have to do much; he is offering a UBI for fucks sake.

The other wild card aspect to someone like Yang's possible success is crossover appeal. Former Trump supporters are switching affiliations to democrat specifically to vote Yang in the primaries. No one is gonna go out of their way for the establishment person or Sanders. Yang's crossover ceiling however is a complete unknown given how little real exposure he has gotten. It's all about the debates: Can he motivate GOP people to vote for him? Can he motivate silent democrats and independents to vote for him?

Trump did the EXACT same thing he 2016: He got people motivated AND he appealed to a wide spectrum of people like people who don't vote, people who are disillusioned, people who feel neglected, and people who usually only vote for one party.

When a minority is offering a $1000 bucks a month to every citizen of the country. doesn't sound like a crazy pants while doing it, and during an era when more people than ever are struggling financially, ANYTHING is possible at this point.