[spydersuit]

Are there any more academically inclined members out there that would be interested in creating a peer reviewed 'Journal of Neomasculinity'? The goal would to provide discussion, review, and scientific research articles to the audience.

Using science, we could test the theories proposed in here to test their reliability, validity, and generalizability. This would help us refine our argument and rhetoric.

If we do not like the hyper feminization of western society, then we should work as a group to change the discourse on the subject.

Furthermore, a small neomasculinity department at a large university could have a large impact on society. Especially over time.

Thoughts?

[Thersites]

(10-31-2016 10:59 PM)spydersuit Wrote:  

Are there any more academically inclined members out there that would be interested in creating a peer reviewed 'Journal of Neomasculinity'? The goal would to provide discussion, review, and scientific research articles to the audience.

To create an journal is way to set up SJW/Leftist/Cucks to co-opting the movement and dictating its idea. For example, the National Review under George Will.

Neomasculinity is still in its infancy of the movement. We must let Neomasculinity grow and develop organically from grassroots and up. Further a discussion and refinement of ideas among the tribe here and other members of manosphere should occur. Neomasculinity is not academic subject contain in the ivory towers, but way a life that men and women can look upon on its examples among them.

(10-31-2016 10:59 PM)spydersuit Wrote:  

Furthermore, a small neomasculinity department at a large university could have a large impact on society. Especially over time.

In current environment of academic, it will not happen. Additional issue, is another avenue of destruction. It creates a point of authority that a person can define neomasculinity. Professor of Neomasculinity will get the talking heads in the media and general public to think he figurehead of the movement.

Neomasculinity's development belongs to Roosh and Quintus.

[polymath]

I think it makes more sense to just get out there and be men.

[elRey]

(10-31-2016 10:59 PM)spydersuit Wrote:  

Furthermore, a small neomasculinity department at a large university could have a large impact on society. Especially over time.

ok bro lets ask harvard if they can let some of us to teach some classes and become professors, nice plan

[Jean Valjean]

An academic journal like that could be cited on Wikipedia, and the information could thereby reach the masses. That seems to me like the main benefit. I'm not sure where research dollars would come from if one wanted to fund studies, though.

[Elster]

I fear academization often kills the subject matter.
Even in fields that are superficially known to the main public as natural sciences there is a large e cognitive dissonance between the cloister and the outside world (safe space anyone? )
Many biology diploma totting graduates have very little actual experience with genuine interaction and study of their research subjects.
A good( though understandable) example of this is the study of fauna in Oceania: amongs other things, the famous duck bill platypus hasnt been thoroughly and properly investigated and many of its habits and characteristics are yet unknown - fun fact: it doesnt has a stomach per se!

[SamuelBRoberts]

"Thoughts?"

This is goofy and you're a goof.

Those are my thoughts.

That you would even think this is feasible shows you lack the requisite knowledge required to even hold a discussion on the subject.

Maybe go visit the redpill subreddit? They might be more receptive to this.

[iknowexactly]

It's actually not that farfetched if you think in terms of decades to achieve it. The simplest route is
claiming reverse discrimination-- say there are "Women's Studies" degrees, we want a "Men's Studies" degree.

The "Neo" makes it too specific in my view in terms of salability.

It would take a lot of work and you need to get some currently legit tenured DGAF, near-retirement, sociologist/psychologists/anthropologists and hopefully a leading Women's Studies professor who happens to see the crushingly obvious logic behind it.

One thing no one can really try to deny is something like 90% of workplace deaths are men.
"Since such a huge majority of workplace deaths are men, isn't it fair to start looking at that?"

I've never heard a politician mention that.

Whether you can do it, and whether it's worth it would be are two very different things.

[Mage]

I think that every man needs to learn how to be a man, this is not a specialty. One cannot specialize into being a man while others specialize in being doctors or engineers. No, being a man is life lessons that every male doctor, engineer, painter, historian or whatever needs to learn. You cannot turn it into an academic specialization

For the same reason I think philosophy and psychology degrees are useless. In this day and age to thrive in this world you need to be a philosopher and a psychologist no matter what your education and profession is. You need to learn these things yourself parallel to studying a serious field like engineering, math, chemistry or medicine. If you want to live life on your terms and not be manipulated by others if you want to be leader in your career and relationships it is imperative that you know know the great philosophers of mankind, their teachings, can take and use for yourself what you find useful from these teachings to control your life and not be controlled by mainstream consumerist flow. It is imperative that you know practical applied psychology - how to motivate yourself, how to handle women, how to be liked in workplace, how to make friends, how to raise children, how to convince people to give you money and power. Without this knowledge you are a fucked up chump these days. If you choose to study these things academically then you are in a worse position than a STEM graduate who has learned these skills for himself, because his skillet is broader.

Education is for learning trade. Masculinity and masculine philosophies and psychology must be learned independently. Also because being a man is about being independent.

[The Beast1]

While women needed the bubble of academia to spread their erronous filth, men do not need such limp wristed activities.

Before the world went full retard on women's rights where did we see "men's studies" occur? Right in the world doing stuff!

We didn't need an academic degree to "study" anything, men lived it!

That is what's needed to spread this. Academic sources only satisfy the neckbeards and hambeasts that proliferate wikipedia and academia. Do you think they would adopt our value systems?

Hell no, their empowered because of a lack of our values in their lives! It's time we devalue academia's value in society and restore common sense patriarchy.

[Thersites]

(11-01-2016 01:24 AM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  

An academic journal like that could be cited on Wikipedia, and the information could thereby reach the masses. That seems to me like the main benefit. I'm not sure where research dollars would come from if one wanted to fund studies, though.

We're better off just writing about it on Infogalactic and have people learn it from there. We know that SJWs will not touch it (Vox Day in the shadows ready to ponce them) and their be more objective view of the subject for anyone interest to learn.

(11-01-2016 04:02 AM)Mage Wrote:  

For the same reason I think philosophy and psychology degrees are useless.

Once the complaints of modern philosophy compare to its Greek origins is ancient times, philosophy was active way of live. Stoic did not muse the way of Stoicism, he lived it. I can not imagine a philosopher student living such lifestyle.

[Valentine]

Social interaction experiments are extremely difficult to control, there are just so many variables.

To get a proto-form of what you're suggesting you're best off starting a Neomasculinity article on InfoGalactic and simply adding tons of citations for each different aspect of neomasculinity/game.

I know there's tons of scientific references if you look up Heartiste and the Mystery Method and there are hundreds of relevant journal articles which are at least tangentially related to our knowledgebase.

From there people can add their counter-argument citations.

If you can get all that going, then advance to doing a monthly web peer reviewed journal similar to CRISP. Solicit donations, funding and researchers by whatever means.

[Phoenix]

You could start it yourself tomorrow as a column on ROK.

ROK is mostly looks like a big opinion and rehash fest. I don't personally see much value in it, but I guess that's because those ideas are "normal" to me, whereas for everyone else they're new and controversial.

You could start by creating original work and submitting it there. Original studies in areas the current leftist academia won't touch. Then you'll realize that that actually takes significant work. Even simple stuff like surveys. It often also requires a fair bit of money. You'll probably then immediately give up and not bother.

[spydersuit]

(11-01-2016 12:49 AM)Thersites Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 10:59 PM)spydersuit Wrote:  

Are there any more academically inclined members out there that would be interested in creating a peer reviewed 'Journal of Neomasculinity'? The goal would to provide discussion, review, and scientific research articles to the audience.

To create an journal is way to set up SJW/Leftist/Cucks to co-opting the movement and dictating its idea. For example, the National Review under George Will.

Neomasculinity is still in its infancy of the movement. We must let Neomasculinity grow and develop organically from grassroots and up. Further a discussion and refinement of ideas among the tribe here and other members of manosphere should occur. Neomasculinity is not academic subject contain in the ivory towers, but way a life that men and women can look upon on its examples among them.

(10-31-2016 10:59 PM)spydersuit Wrote:  

Furthermore, a small neomasculinity department at a large university could have a large impact on society. Especially over time.

In current environment of academic, it will not happen. Additional issue, is another avenue of destruction. It creates a point of authority that a person can define neomasculinity. Professor of Neomasculinity will get the talking heads in the media and general public to think he figurehead of the movement.

Neomasculinity's development belongs to Roosh and Quintus.

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I could not disagree more. The National Review is hardly a peer reviewed journal. It like comparing People to Nature.

If you don't define it in peer reviewed written literature, the feminists will. Thousands of students are required to take liberal arts classes that focus on women's issues (among other things). They sit there and have all this bullshit pumped into their heads with no counter argument within the school. The students need an alternative option.

For example, a university allowed this to happen after an IRB review: Nicholas, A., Brody, S., De Sutter, P., & De Carufel, F. (2008). A woman's history of vaginal orgasm is discernible from her walk. The journal of sexual medicine, 5(9), 2119-2124.

Furthermore, a tenured professor is protected and can say whatever he/she wants to without fear of recourse. Personally, I have created 1 academic department and 1 laboratory. If you have money, then a university will let a tenured professor pretty much do anything they want to. To me, it sounds like you are not familiar with the mechanics and reality of academia.

Also, avoiding the fight does not make the fight go away. Yes, professors serve as points of authority because they have earned the right to do so. The technology you're using right now was invented by professors (the Internet, the thousands of pieces in your computer). Academics don't "own" ideas, and writing is a means to effectively communicate.

Cheers,
spydersuit

[spydersuit]

(11-01-2016 07:15 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

You could start it yourself tomorrow as a column on ROK.

ROK is mostly looks like a big opinion and rehash fest. I don't personally see much value in it, but I guess that's because those ideas are "normal" to me, whereas for everyone else they're new and controversial.

You could start by creating original work and submitting it there. Original studies in areas the current leftist academia won't touch. Then you'll realize that that actually takes significant work. Even simple stuff like surveys. It often also requires a fair bit of money. You'll probably then immediately give up and not bother.

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Well, perhaps we can find a project sponsor? I am a scientist and I fail most of the time. That is the nature of science. Social science is actually very inexpensive compared to "physical labs" (e.g., wet, engineering, materials, etc.).

[Dalaran1991]

Academy is the home ground of lefty and SJW, I would not try to do anything there. Thats like being the French at the battle of Agincourt. Pick your battle

[The Man w/ the Golden Gun]

"Professor, the syllabus says I have to 'cold approach' 50 'HB8s' over the course of the semester to get a passing grade??"
"Guys, I heard that executing the Yad Stop is going to be on the final..."

Joking aside, I would certainly appreciate a wider acceptance of neomasculinity/associated ideas. However, something about formalizing the understanding of masculinity and making it an academic discipline doesn't sit right with me-not convinced.

Convincing, persuading anyone is hard work. Ever try to red pill someone? I gave up after realizing I only appreciated the red pill and related concepts when I opened myself up it to its possibility. "When the student is ready, the master shall appear..."

Here's a shortcut to persuasion. A regular dude like me reads the thread "Veloce and Fisto in Vegas" Holy shit. These guys are doing it right, whatever it is.

I think each man deep down respects others who demonstrate they're walking the walk, each man disgusts signalling on some level. Herein lies the difference between academia and "studying" masculinity.

(11-01-2016 04:14 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

We didn't need an academic degree to "study" anything, men lived it!

Telling me you're taking classes in philosophy or masculinity ring hollow unless we dig deeper and see what you're doing. That's where the switch can be flipped. Fuck, this guy is doing something right. Oh, you majored in underwater basket weaving and that's your secret sauce? I have my scuba tank and basket ready, let's go!

Once you're there, why bother with the formal titles and classes? Boys, let's go raise hell!

(11-01-2016 09:01 AM)spydersuit Wrote:  

Personally, I have created 1 academic department and 1 laboratory.

Cool, respect. That's influence.

[spydersuit]

(11-01-2016 12:54 AM)polymath Wrote:  

I think it makes more sense to just get out there and be men.

I agree. I think being strategic and thinking about our goals helps us achieve them in the end.

[spydersuit]

(11-01-2016 10:41 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Academy is the home ground of lefty and SJW, I would not try to do anything there. Thats like being the French at the battle of Agincourt. Pick your battle

I think you mean academia. In any case, I am not a lefty or a righty. Frankly, the United States two party system is destroying the country. I am somewhere in the Libertarian, Right, Left, spectrum.

Some of what liberals proposes helps people that cannot help themselves. The next time you come down with a STD, thank a lefty for the treatment that you receive. Lefty's fund medical research and typically (not always) the people that actually do the work are left leaning.

In any case, when I was in the Army I never ran from a fight. In reality, you do not get to pick or choose your battles. The best defense is a strong offense. It is better to take the fight to the enemy and influence the conditions on the battlefield.

[spydersuit]

(11-01-2016 10:46 AM)The Man w/ the Golden Gun Wrote:  

"Professor, the syllabus says I have to 'cold approach' 50 'HB8s' over the course of the semester to get a passing grade??"
"Guys, I heard that executing the Yad Stop is going to be on the final..."

Joking aside, I would certainly appreciate a wider acceptance of neomasculinity/associated ideas. However, something about formalizing the understanding of masculinity and making it an academic discipline doesn't sit right with me-not convinced.

Convincing, persuading anyone is hard work. Ever try to red pill someone? I gave up after realizing I only appreciated the red pill and related concepts when I opened myself up it to its possibility. "When the student is ready, the master shall appear..."

Here's a shortcut to persuasion. A regular dude like me reads the thread "Veloce and Fisto in Vegas" Holy shit. These guys are doing it right, whatever it is.

I think each man deep down respects others who demonstrate they're walking the walk, each man disgusts signalling on some level. Herein lies the difference between academia and "studying" masculinity.

(11-01-2016 04:14 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

We didn't need an academic degree to "study" anything, men lived it!

Telling me you're taking classes in philosophy or masculinity ring hollow unless we dig deeper and see what you're doing. That's where the switch can be flipped. Fuck, this guy is doing something right. Oh, you majored in underwater basket weaving and that's your secret sauce? I have my scuba tank and basket ready, let's go!

Once you're there, why bother with the formal titles and classes? Boys, let's go raise hell!

(11-01-2016 09:01 AM)spydersuit Wrote:  

Personally, I have created 1 academic department and 1 laboratory.

Cool, respect. That's influence.

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You should read "in defense of a liberal arts education." Many people from the liberal arts go on to be rich and powerful people in the world. Although, I do not think that all liberal arts degrees and programs are all created equal (the same could be said for any other degree or program). The beauty of liberal arts is learning how to think critically. I have 1 Liberal arts degree, 1 hard science degree, and 1 life sciences degree, and from my experience the hard science "STEM" folks were the biggest window lickers of the bunch. Yea, they could program a machine learning algorithm in 4 languages, but many could never understand how to be a man in modern society. Now that I think about it, most of these kids were pushed into these programs by their uber feminist mothers and their cuckold fathers (especially asian and jewish students come to mind here). Don't get pissy anyone - just calling a spade a spade (ecological statistics do not apply to all individuals- obviously there is some natural variance).