[UgSlayer]

(08-10-2011 03:55 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

"Brazil and Argentina use the same ranching and farming methods as the United States."

Why does food taste more "real" there?

Update:

"the meat in brazil and argentina is free range beef, which means that they move around feeding on grass"

So which is it?

It's easy to get confused because the change from free range to feedlot is so sudden.

Even as late as the early 2000's grass-fed beef was 96% (an article I read that was published in 2002 states only 4% was feedlot beef) of the beef in Brazil. Whether its feedlot or grass-fed, Brazil produces a hell of a lot of beef. They even exported beef to the US during the mad cow scare. Now it's considerably less. I'm not sure of the exact figures, but it's definitely not anywhere near 96% free range grass fed beef anymore.

It takes a good amount of initial investment to build the feedlots, but once they are built, it is easier and cheaper to produce bigger, fatter cows on less land. Way more efficent when you're talking about profit. So all of a sudden, the percentage of beef that is produced in feedlots skyrockets within a couple of years.

Why do you think America does it? And Brazilian farmers/ranchers are producing cows to feed Brazilians beef with a better fat profile? No they do it for profit.

Hope this cleared things up.

[UgSlayer]

To get back to the thread, I think you'll do fine with losing weight if you pick an activity like dancing, capoeira, BJJ, boxing, lift a couple times a week, and eat with some common sense (low-fat meats, nuts, vegetables, limited amount of simple carbs, limited amount of fruits, lots of water) and limit your drinking.

The main thing here is that you're probably going to be WALKING everywhere as opposed to being stuck in your car or sitting on your ass at work for hours a day.

[thegmanifesto]

(08-10-2011 04:38 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

(08-10-2011 03:55 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

"Brazil and Argentina use the same ranching and farming methods as the United States."

Why does food taste more "real" there?

Update:

"the meat in brazil and argentina is free range beef, which means that they move around feeding on grass"

So which is it?

It's easy to get confused because the change from free range to feedlot is so sudden.

Even as late as the early 2000's grass-fed beef was 96% (an article I read that was published in 2002 states only 4% was feedlot beef) of the beef in Brazil. Whether its feedlot or grass-fed, Brazil produces a hell of a lot of beef. They even exported beef to the US during the mad cow scare. Now it's considerably less. I'm not sure of the exact figures, but it's definitely not anywhere near 96% free range grass fed beef anymore.

It takes a good amount of initial investment to build the feedlots, but once they are built, it is easier and cheaper to produce bigger, fatter cows on less land. Way more efficent when you're talking about profit. So all of a sudden, the percentage of beef that is produced in feedlots skyrockets within a couple of years.

Why do you think America does it? And Brazilian farmers/ranchers are producing cows to feed Brazilians beef with a better fat profile? No they do it for profit.

Hope this cleared things up.

Thanks.

Why do you think food tastes better in Argentina (and other countries) than American then? (produce, meat etc).

I realize this question is subjective.

However, I always notice food tastes more "real" in other countries.

And I am not comparing it to grocery store crap in America only. Farmers markets in America also.

Thoughts?

[UgSlayer]

(08-10-2011 04:58 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Thanks.

Why do you think food tastes better in Argentina (and other countries) than American then? (produce, meat etc).

I realize this question is subjective.

However, I always notice food tastes more "real" in other countries.

And I am not comparing it to grocery store crap in America only. Farmers markets in America also.

Thoughts?

Possibly a placebo effect? Maybe a different breed of cow? Freshness of produce since America imports a lot of produce and LatAm countries' produce is domestic(fruit can ripen on the vine as opposed to ripening in shipping crates)? Or maybe (the most likely explation) you're so happy with being surrounded by all the hot, in-shape latinas as opposed to fat attitude-riddled American chicks that your senses are heightened and EVERYTHING in life seems better.

[oldnemesis]

(08-10-2011 09:17 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

If you want to build muscle: your proteins should be from wild caught, WHITE FISH, nuts and berries. NOT RED COW MEAT

The problem here is that very few people actually enjoy eating white fish (personally I'd rather starve). Do you?

[oldnemesis]

(08-10-2011 09:47 AM)Moma Wrote:  

I agree entirely with giovonny's statement.
For all the people here concerned with weight gain, the primary reason North Americans gain weight are THE PRESERVATIVES in the food.

Nope. The primary reason North Americans gain weight is that they EAT TOO MUCH. The portion sizes in restaurants here are just insane. In vast majority of restaurants we go we just order appetizers, and it actually hurts to watch the people around who eat the main course AND dessert after finishing the appetizer.

One of the reasons for overeating is car culture. In Europe once you're done eating most people have to walk at least to the subway/bus station and then back home. When you expect to be walking soon, you tend to limit the amount of food you consume as it is not comfortable to walk with full stomach.

And the secondary reason is that they eat too much crap. Cottage cheese with sodium, bread with high fructose corn syrup, canned food with 90% of your daily sodium value in a single can... crap.

Quote:

You can go to these third world countries and the people are generally trim and fit. Do they do all these fitness exercises? Fcuk no. It's the food, the food, the food.

It's the lifestyle. Lack of cars means walking around a lot, which means you gonna eat more often but smaller portions. Also most of those countries have a hotter climate, which further limits your appetite.

[Giovonny]

(08-10-2011 09:47 AM)Moma Wrote:  

the primary reason North Americans gain weight are THE PRESERVATIVES in the food.

(08-10-2011 05:23 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

The primary reason North Americans gain weight is that they EAT TOO MUCH.

Ya, its both. We eat too much AND the food is full crap.

(08-10-2011 05:14 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

The problem here is that very few people actually enjoy eating white fish

White fish doesn't have much flavor. My favorite ways to prepare white fish is like this:

#1.

Dip in egg
Roll it in corn meal (mixed with salt, pepper, cayanne pepper, cumin, oregano)
sautee it in olive oil

The "breading" gives it more texture, flavor, and crunch.



#2.

Make fish tacos:

cook the fish like above
throw them in a corn tortilla
add avocado, lettuce, cheese and fresh salsa
rice/beans on the side

All these flavors really disguise the fish and make it better.

This is one of the most popular dishes in many parts of Mexico.

[Moma]

(08-10-2011 04:58 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(08-10-2011 04:38 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

(08-10-2011 03:55 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

"Brazil and Argentina use the same ranching and farming methods as the United States."

Why does food taste more "real" there?

Update:

"the meat in brazil and argentina is free range beef, which means that they move around feeding on grass"

So which is it?

It's easy to get confused because the change from free range to feedlot is so sudden.

Even as late as the early 2000's grass-fed beef was 96% (an article I read that was published in 2002 states only 4% was feedlot beef) of the beef in Brazil. Whether its feedlot or grass-fed, Brazil produces a hell of a lot of beef. They even exported beef to the US during the mad cow scare. Now it's considerably less. I'm not sure of the exact figures, but it's definitely not anywhere near 96% free range grass fed beef anymore.

It takes a good amount of initial investment to build the feedlots, but once they are built, it is easier and cheaper to produce bigger, fatter cows on less land. Way more efficent when you're talking about profit. So all of a sudden, the percentage of beef that is produced in feedlots skyrockets within a couple of years.

Why do you think America does it? And Brazilian farmers/ranchers are producing cows to feed Brazilians beef with a better fat profile? No they do it for profit.

Hope this cleared things up.

Thanks.

Why do you think food tastes better in Argentina (and other countries) than American then? (produce, meat etc).

I realize this question is subjective.

However, I always notice food tastes more "real" in other countries.

And I am not comparing it to grocery store crap in America only. Farmers markets in America also.

Thoughts?

The soil in America is tainted. The animals are injected with steroids to grow bigger..thus they don't taste real.

It's very simple. I put on 7 pounds when I came over to North America even though my activity levels actually increased. I ate the exact same amount of food.

[Moma]

(08-10-2011 05:23 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(08-10-2011 09:47 AM)Moma Wrote:  

I agree entirely with giovonny's statement.
For all the people here concerned with weight gain, the primary reason North Americans gain weight are THE PRESERVATIVES in the food.

Nope. The primary reason North Americans gain weight is that they EAT TOO MUCH. The portion sizes in restaurants here are just insane. In vast majority of restaurants we go we just order appetizers, and it actually hurts to watch the people around who eat the main course AND dessert after finishing the appetizer.

One of the reasons for overeating is car culture. In Europe once you're done eating most people have to walk at least to the subway/bus station and then back home. When you expect to be walking soon, you tend to limit the amount of food you consume as it is not comfortable to walk with full stomach.

And the secondary reason is that they eat too much crap. Cottage cheese with sodium, bread with high fructose corn syrup, canned food with 90% of your daily sodium value in a single can... crap.

Quote:

You can go to these third world countries and the people are generally trim and fit. Do they do all these fitness exercises? Fcuk no. It's the food, the food, the food.

It's the lifestyle. Lack of cars means walking around a lot, which means you gonna eat more often but smaller portions. Also most of those countries have a hotter climate, which further limits your appetite.

The primary reason is the food type. America has hot climates, Miami is as hot as fcuk and LA is no winter town.

I am telling you, it's the preservatives. A lot of dead calories in North America. I've been studying nutrition for years, I have done strict before and after, it's like night and day.

I am just as active here as I am in Europe and yet when I analyse many foods here, I find out there is also sorts of shytty ass preservatives in them.
Flavoured water, what kind of shyt is that?
The tainted calories add up. Trust me, I have personally tested and proved this.
Second is quantity. Torontonians are fat bastids too, why is that? The food portions aren't as big as in America? Yet every other chick has jiggly bits and bloated like a mutha..

[MiXX]

(08-10-2011 05:14 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(08-10-2011 09:17 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

If you want to build muscle: your proteins should be from wild caught, WHITE FISH, nuts and berries. NOT RED COW MEAT

The problem here is that very few people actually enjoy eating white fish (personally I'd rather starve). Do you?

That's actually all I eat 90% of the time. I actually find Fish delicious and it's my favorite food from scallops, to flounder to chilean sea bass...yummy! =)

So, it's not a challenge for me eating that; grew up around the ocean.

Mixx

[Cali-Pro]

(08-10-2011 09:25 AM)Ajiaco Wrote:  

I lost around twenty pounds my first few months in Colombia without even trying. The food is much healthier here, I would venture to say that even the fried stuff here is not as unhealthy as American fried stuff. The diet is a lot of rice, beans, eggs, arepas, chicken, beef, and potatoes. The biggest struggle you will have is with vegetables or salads in restaurants, it is not that common. But there is a lot of fruit and natural fruit juices. Roosh was talking about street food like buñuelos and empanadas, and yeah, go easy on that stuff. But a typical lunch here is cheap and pretty healthy.

Agreed... the range fed brama cattle here produce a much leaner red meat than the Angus corn fed cattle in the US. The over all lack of processed food stuffs and sex a couple times everyday can lead to very fast weight loss for the average american guy.

[UgSlayer]

In the EU they have strict standards when it comes to beef production. In South America, not so much. I would say it is less regulated than the US. They pump their cattle full of steroids and antibiotics as well. I would venture to say the taste difference is due to the different breed of cattle.

It's a bit naive to believe that the technologies available to US farmers that make food production less costly and more profitable are not used by farmers and ranchers abroad.

I agree with the posters above who talk about car culture and processed foods being the main contributers to obesity in the US, but when it comes to produce and butchered meats, the US isn't all that bad. Imported fruits and veggies may not taste as good because they are ripened in shipping crates as opposed to while they are still living (fruits) and aren't as crisp or fresh because of the time it takes to reach your mouth because of transport.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry about all that in Latin America, because you can find a lot of fresh, locally grown produce in the markets as GMan mentioned. Steroids found in meats aren't as big of a deal as media makes it out to be, as it affects women more than men. If it's a huge deal to you, stick to wild caught fish and free-range, steroid free meats. I'm sure you can find those if you ask around enough in South America as well.

[Sonsowey]

I have lived in Mexico and Colombia, as far as the cuisine goes, they've totally different.

Mexico is about as fat as the US is. Colombia is far slimmer. If you eat the local diet in Mexico, you will get huge, and they eat a TON of salt. Colombians also love their salt (though not quite as much as Mexicans) but their normal diet leaves them quite slim.

In both places normal self control will help keep you slim. All throughout Latin America there is a huge variety of fruits/vegetables/legumes and grains to eat to keep healthy, and deep fried isn't a common option for anything.

Hell, many American friends in Mexico LOST weight without trying. They all contributed it to eating more natural food and less processed stuff. They continued to eat whatever they wanted and drink frequently.

Honestly, I don't think you'll have any problem, if you can live in the US without getting fat you can do it anywhere. I would get someone who knows about food to go grocery shopping with you a few times to help introduce you to new types of food so that you won't be lost and resort to just eating out all the time.

[oldnemesis]

(08-10-2011 07:49 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

That's actually all I eat 90% of the time. I actually find Fish delicious and it's my favorite food from scallops, to flounder to chilean sea bass...yummy! =)

You're lucky, bro! I'd commit suicide at day five of such diet. No seafood AT ALL for me except smoked salmon, just hate the taste.