[panknows24]

Hi RVFers,

I've been on this forum for quite a few months now, decided . Ever since I've come on board, I have not regretted a single moment.

A little bit about me:
I'm 23 years old, Asian living Australia. Notch count is around 15 (can't remember to be exact)
Game, I'd say beginner to intermediate; I can chat idly about things but still have approach anxiety and sometimes not feeling witty enough, etc (but that's a WIP). Aside from online game, I have not put in a lot of effort with real life approaches, have only got lucky a few times.

Prior to entering the manosphere, I've always had a happy-go-lucky attitude towards life. Things would come and go. I'd hook up occasionally but didn't really know "how" I did it. (Maybe it's my relaxed and casual attitude). I came across the manosphere when travelling in SEA when I was looking up night venues to hit up (great suggestions by the way). I didn't really take it seriously until I came back from my trip and was trying to date a girl who had a boyfriend (stupid idea looking back, I had a slight case of oneitis).

Post manosphere, I realised there are so many things I can be more in control of in my life (spanning from women to health to career, etc). I haven't regretted a single moment this year. I think 2016 has honestly been the most transformational year of my life and love the way things are going.

I've soaked up most of the tips RVFers have been giving on the Lifestyle section. I pretty much follow most of the habits suggested religiously on a daily basis. E.g. cold shower, no fap (there are difficult days), HIIT in morning, alternating between Muay Thai/gym every week, read books. Honestly, the manosphere has been eye opening (even beyond the realm of picking up women). My friends and family have all noted the changes and it's been great.

Here's my issue. Since the start of the year, I've moved back with the parents (due to financial reasons). My parents are strict and come from a pretty conservative background, so it's pretty much impossible to bring girls home. As a result, I feel my game has stagnated since I no longer have any drive to approach women since there's no point. I don't even go out at night anymore since there's no point picking up women and no point drinking alcohol either.

The last time I closed a girl in the office bathroom (not a coworker) but it wasn't as great of an experience as I had imagined.

My question to you guys now is, what should I focus on going forward? I know that as soon as I have some freedom in terms of living, I will be going out guns blazing. Do you guys think it is "okay" to take a complete break from women and go "MGTOW" for the time being? I know some RVFers stress on the importance of approaching so that your game doesn't atrophy, etc. Interested to hear your thoughts!

Sorry for long post, tried to keep it as short as possible. Cheers guys!

[Leonard D Neubache]

Welcome, mate.

Got any friends living independently? Can you organise a reliable third party location?

[Windom Earle]

My first question to you given your situation would be "do you own a car?"

If you own a car, you are in possession of a mobile bedroom - an exciting and kinky one at that. Just because you don't have privacy within a dwelling doesn't mean your sex life needs to go to shit.

A reclined drivers seat, a willing participant to jump on your schlong and the cover of darkness is all you'll need. Paper towel and condoms (or not) in the console, and you're good to go.

You can even go doggy style with ease by opening both the driver and passenger doors for cover, get her to prop up and present her ass to you on the drivers seat, then go to town on her, stand-up style.

Just don't do what I did - pulled out and blew a load down the side of my car without realising (because it was dark).

Also, you aren't factoring in the possibility of the chick being ok with you banging at her place.

I think your problem is an imagined one actually, as there is no problem if you are crafty enough (or balls ache enough) to overcome it.

[Leonard D Neubache]

A piece of advice I would give my younger self is to buy a van of reasonable quality and dump a mattress in the back.

Cheap and nasty, but then again so are a lot of chicks.

[Svoboda]

Target chicks that don't live with their parents. So you can bang at their place.

What's with this: "I'm 23 years old, Asian living Australia. Notch count is around 15 (can't remember to be exact)"
It shouldn't be that hard to remember at that age and notch count.

[XPQ22]

(10-16-2016 05:15 AM)panknows24 Wrote:  

Here's my issue. Since the start of the year, I've moved back with the parents (due to financial reasons). My parents are strict and come from a pretty conservative background, so it's pretty much impossible to bring girls home. As a result, I feel my game has stagnated since I no longer have any drive to approach women since there's no point. I don't even go out at night anymore since there's no point picking up women and no point drinking alcohol either.

Patent nonsense, friend. Last year I was in a similar situation (not quite the same as my parents are elderly) - I had an elderly parent living with me in my place 24/7 for several months as she made the transition to assisted living.

Did I give up on night approaches/online dating because I lived 30 miles from where the girls are and had nowhere to bring them home to? Fuck that. I started putting in work and my reward was hooking up with more girls than I ever had. And I'm pushing 40.

Keep the drinking to a minimum, though - getting loaded doesn't help anyone's game. I find four drinks over an entire evening out to be plenty. I know a lot of young chicks like to get lit up and hammered these days, but I wouldn't try to pull them. Take a number at most if she seems like she might still be into you sober, but otherwise I'd give the hammered girls the brush off.

Tell us a little more about your situation. Do you live in the city, or out in the sticks? Do you have a car? You're 23, a decent number of women in your demographic will have their own cribs. If you have to, try shooting a little older, maybe 26-28. Then it's almost a certainty. Or a little younger if there are colleges nearby. You've heard of dorm rooms, right?

Pulling chicks back to their own place if they're into you and they know you don't have logistics near them is the easiest thing in the world, man. Hit me up if you need any specific advice on closing techniques.

In the meantime, you can still have time to work on improving your living arrangements. No reason it can't be done, don't let the drive wither.

[N°6]

(10-16-2016 05:15 AM)panknows24 Wrote:  

A little bit about me:
I'm 23 years old, Asian living Australia. Notch count is around 15 (can't remember to be exact)
Game, I'd say beginner to intermediate;

An Asian in an Anglo-Celtic country at 23 who is batting at 15.

You are fine. Your notch count is higher than women's your age which is saying something.

Just do what you are doing.

[XPQ22]

(10-16-2016 12:18 PM)N°6 Wrote:  

An Asian in an Anglo-Celtic country at 23 who is batting at 15.

You are fine. Your notch count is higher than women's your age which is saying something.

Just do what you are doing.

Yep, if that's an honest figure not bad at all. I'm an Anglo-Celtic living in an Anglo-Celtic country and it took me until about 35 to hit a figure in that ballpark...

[Windom Earle]

(10-16-2016 12:32 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

(10-16-2016 12:18 PM)N°6 Wrote:  

An Asian in an Anglo-Celtic country at 23 who is batting at 15.

You are fine. Your notch count is higher than women's your age which is saying something.

Just do what you are doing.

Yep, if that's an honest figure not bad at all. I'm an Anglo-Celtic living in an Anglo-Celtic country and it took me until about 35 to hit a figure in that ballpark...

Same with me actually. Bumped those numbers to high 70's in the following 3 years due in no small part to this very forum.

[panknows24]

Thanks for all your responses guys.

@Leonard: great advice with the van, nasty but I like it

@Windom: I do have a car but find it a bit hard to close in it. Most of the time I suggest one of the scenic spots I know with "Oh I know a good spot", then move to back of car and try move from there but that's a hit/miss most of the time.

@Svoboda: Do you know any screening techniques that can suss out whether or not a girl is living with their parents?

@XPQ22: Thanks for the motivation! I've read some of your other posts on the forum and it's been inspirational haha

[subterfuge]

(10-17-2016 05:10 AM)Windom Earle Wrote:  

Same with me actually. Bumped those numbers to high 70's in the following 3 years due in no small part to this very forum.

What helped you the most? Anything in particular stick out in your brain?
And what changed in your interactions? The way you approached? your ability to hold a conversation? Or maybe it was something like moving to another country that helped for example?

Encouraging to see none-the-less.

I've started getting laid a little recently, but only as a direct result of discovering tinder! It kind of takes away the need for 'game'. But cold approach feels legit impossible!

[Jason55]

At that age, I had two lays with different girls in their parents houses, while their parents were home. One opened her back sliding glass door, let me in, and I did her right in her bedroom on her bed. Then I snuck out again. The other one I was over to watch a movie with her in her basement. It got late and the parents went to sleep. We went back behind the basement bar, and did it there, in case the parents suddenly came down the stairs. It worked out.
Being sneaky can make it more exciting too.

[GreyFFM]

its a logistics issue, its not impossible. however, deep down inside I think you are looking for an excuse.

while more difficult, keep approaching and building your social circle and things will fall into place.

if you want to focus on your career/savings, whatever, that's fine.

i would worry less about your skills atrophying than i would worry about getting comfortable and lazy and a habit of making excuses to yourself.

[Rhyme or Reason]

I recommend sneaking girls into your room once your folks are asleep. It also gives you plausible reason to kick them out after.

[Svoboda]

(10-17-2016 06:19 AM)panknows24 Wrote:  

Thanks for all your responses guys.

@Svoboda: Do you know any screening techniques that can suss out whether or not a girl is living with their parents?

Are you in a big city?
College girls, girls with well paying jobs, expats, tourists.

[Sonoma]

I hit near 50 and never ever brought girls home.

You just have to keep endlessly approaching, and it helps to be within a community of sorts (mine was a relatively small college)

[Onto]

(10-17-2016 06:19 AM)panknows24 Wrote:  

Thanks for all your responses guys.

@Leonard: great advice with the van, nasty but I like it

@Windom: I do have a car but find it a bit hard to close in it. Most of the time I suggest one of the scenic spots I know with "Oh I know a good spot", then move to back of car and try move from there but that's a hit/miss most of the time.

@Svoboda: Do you know any screening techniques that can suss out whether or not a girl is living with their parents?

@XPQ22: Thanks for the motivation! I've read some of your other posts on the forum and it's been inspirational haha

Why not just keep her in the front passenger seat to start? I found it easier to keep them there, go for the kiss, escalate, get on top and then recline/move the seat back. It's more fluid and natural that way. Doesn't break the momentum you're building with her.

I guess it depends on the car and if it has a front seat that reclines well.

That was pushing 30 years ago for me, but cars haven't changed that much.

[Svoboda]

(10-21-2016 01:27 AM)Sonoma Wrote:  

I hit near 50 and never ever brought girls home.

You just have to keep endlessly approaching, and it helps to be within a community of sorts (mine was a relatively small college)

Why??