[Ohiogang]

You think the Yakuza have mansions filled with Russian/European models where they fuck them? I'm mentioning them because there was another thread about Asian stereotypes, so maybe the yakuza could be role models. I also never understood why the Yakuza is filled with Koreans when the Japanese look down upon them.

[OSL]

The Yakuza is filled with second/third generation Koreans who stayed there after they were used as labor during WWII. They couldn't fill non-menial labor in Japan and were discriminated against in the job market and many gravitated towards organized crime.

I'm almost entirely sure that Yakuza do not have game in the way we think about it. However, they are so powerful and involved in Japanese business and politics that they will naturally have a lot of beautiful women gravitating towards them. Even if dudes are chumps, women will gravitate towards money and power.

Also, Japanese dudes whore it up all the time. I'm sure those chicks are getting paid off one way or another.

[OSL]

Ohiogang, I'm not shutting you or your opinions down here, so take what I say with a grain of salt. These are all kneejerk reactions I"m having to the idea of Asian-American guys emulating the Yakuza as alphas with game.

I feel like the Yakuza are powerful within a very rigidly Japanese context that would be poorly translated in other cultures. Imagine telling a Taiwanese-American guy to act like a Yakuza and go hit on a hot blond American sorority chick. A Yakuza guy in his mansion who wants to bang one of his concubines probably has one of his servants/thugs go and get her and then they bang for ten minutes without exchanging a word, after which he pays her several hundred dollars and makes her leave the room.

I imagine Yakuza guys wouldn't be cocky/funny or have the "game-like" personality traits that could potentially be transferred into the domain of an Asian male hitting on a typical western female. I think to find a role model, an Asian male is forced to look for examples of role models who have succeeded in his specific adoptive culture (in USA/West, not very common) or to create his own niche.

I might be entirely confused about what you were asking or bringing up, as you sort of brought up several different issues at once. However, if you were suggesting that Asian-American/Brit/Aussie/Canadian guys emulate the Yakuza as alphas, I would assert that the Yakuza model of dominance would fail upon application in a non-Japanese culture.

[kimleebj]

(08-07-2011 11:08 PM)Ohiogang Wrote:  

I also never understood why the Yakuza is filled with Koreans

It parallels the Italian-American mafia in the U.S., where a closed immigrant community develops organized crime because it is difficult to assimilate into good mainstream jobs. Gangs are usually ethnic, like Chinese or Russian-Israeli or whatever. The Bloods and Crips are not exactly multicultural!

I saw one story of an American bar hostess in Japan. Their job is basically to chat with customers to sell overpriced drinks. She accepted a number of dinner invitations from a regular lucrative customer who was "connected" (Yakuza). Eventually he made a hotel date and she felt obligated and coerced to sleep with him. His sex lasted around thirty seconds, and he was painfully shy and inexperienced. That's why he spent hundreds of dollars per night just to have a drink and talk to a hostess.