[Vitriol]

(07-19-2011 03:47 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Game seems to hone our powers of observation across the board, so that we view things beyond the world of women and game--world affairs, politics, education--with the astute, incisive insight that tight game develops (and indeed requires). It's in that way that game, which hinges on a profound understanding of human nature, allows us "to see too much." It's the price, I guess, we pay for the incredible rewards we reap.

Being open to learning game in the first place requires a certain degree of rebelliousness and cynicism that a lot of people simply don't have. Being able to fully adopt a player mentality means that you don't really accept traditional ideas about marriage and relationships. Also, you realize that things like having a good career and education really don't count towards attracting women and mean less in the grand scheme of things that we're taught to believe they do (in other words dismissing the idea that going to school, getting good grades, then landing a good job will magically cause everything to fall into place).

You definitely have to get a a point where you're willing to be have a nihilistic attitude towards the sanctity of our social institutions and realize that it's just a flimsy house of cards. At that point, you're ready to deconstruct human interaction to bare mechanics and take advantage accordingly. For people who want to play nice and tow the line it's just too much of a mindfuck. It leaves them with nothing to stand on when they realize the idealistic lifestyle of finding someone nice to settle down with just because they've done everything "right" is an illusion.

[Giovonny]

I hear what you guys are saying but I just don't get it.

Learning Game has improved the quality of my life. Getting girls has made me happier.

[Tuthmosis]

(07-19-2011 05:42 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I hear what you guys are saying but I just don't get it.

Learning Game has improved the quality of my life. Getting girls has made me happier.

A couple of things are possible. I'm just speculating, so no disrespect whatsoever, of course:

1. You're Still New Enough to Game That It Hasn't Visited You Yet
You're in that sweet spot where you know enough game to get laid at will, but haven't been in it long enough that you have the concomitant "come-down" from the high, or long enough to forget what it was like to not get girls.

2. You're Just a Positive-Ass Guy
You're way overdue for a bout of the negative, cynical side-effects of game, but you have laser-like focus on the positive gains only, using game strictly for the girl-benefit. You compartmentalize it and use it as needed, not converted it into a massive "lifestyle change" that changes your whole perspective on the world. You're basically like a guy that won the lottery and never forgot what it was like to be poor.

Just guesses. Let me know what you think.

[Thorne]

I agree with Tuth and DK.

For me, I've always been very selective. I didn't understand the whole dating thing until very recently, it felt (feels) awkward. I remember thinking that I'd be rather be hanging out with my friends or something than making up conversation or trying to "sell" yourself to a chick like you're selling bibles or something.

It's like any business venture, when you see you are interacting with a woman and you feel you're getting back more of what you're investing (time, effort, attention), then it just becomes worthwhile and you feel rewarded (that for me it's the cold definition of romantic love, a succesful business interaction with emotions, intellect and sensations being traded).

The attitude mentioned by the OP I used to feel because I never found the chick I really dug, or chicks that really wanted to learn, live many things in life and improve like I try to. Most of them act like pretty reproductive beacons that just want the right candidate to get attention and comfort from. For me that will never do it completely, no matter how hot she is. My body will get rewarded but it will be short term.

However, in time I did find one and, just for that moment, it made sense. And then it ended and I feel the same again, like I won't invest my effort if it ain't worthwhile. I think it's a positive thing as oppossed to people that are afraid to be alone and get into relationships as a passtime.

And also more healthy to do it because you want to, and not because society tells you that monogamy is the way to go.

[Basil Ransom]

(07-19-2011 04:03 PM)dk902 Wrote:  

Agree with much of what you say there Tuthmosis. Game definitely gives you a whole new perspective on women and human nature in general....

I've found it's very hard to find a man with the same mentality and philosophy towards life. I think it takes a certain person willing to put in the grind, elbow grease and effort it takes to master game and want to be good with women and everything it entails.

I'm living with a couple guys who don't mind getting sleazy, but it's interesting to see how other guys think, without being introduced to the game framework.

Getting laid is very important to them, but thinking and analyzing it is just so beyond them, it's absolutely bizarre to me. Any time I explain why a pickup went sour, they just ignore it. They'll make the same mistake ten or twenty times before they learn their lesson, instead of once or twice like a self-aware player might.

Maybe my sample's off, but this "whatever" mentality seems way more common among white guys than black guys.

(07-19-2011 03:47 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Game seems to hone our powers of observation across the board, so that we view things beyond the world of women and game--world affairs, politics, education--with the astute, incisive insight that tight game develops (and indeed requires). It's in that way that game, which hinges on a profound understanding of human nature, allows us "to see too much." It's the price, I guess, we pay for the incredible rewards we reap.

Game can give you the power to not give a ****. It shows you how society can be dead wrong about one of life's essentials. You start to have an open mind about other things, because you've noticed that just about everyone else is spouting BS that no one's bothered to check. Make an extreme argument about reality, and people's first instinct is not, "is this true," but, "is this socially acceptable?" (Eg, that whole affair with a UCLA sorority chick criticizing Asians.)

And it doesn't have to be game per se - it could be a whole other domain which erodes your trust in the "experts" to which everyone pays blind faith.

Like that Larry David skit , hell, maybe Chinese kids do have an inborn proclivity for using chopsticks. You'll never know unless you ask.

[peterfromyesterday]

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I guess you'd really have to be in love with a girl to leave the game.
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Hit the nail on the head, and this is probably the greatest quality of game. Someone who can spit game, knows his skill set, doesn't fear being single - why is he in a long term relation? He's truly in love.

All the other guys say it, but it's man code for 'best I can get'.

[Giovonny]

(07-19-2011 06:05 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(07-19-2011 05:42 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I hear what you guys are saying but I just don't get it.

Learning Game has improved the quality of my life. Getting girls has made me happier.

A couple of things are possible. I'm just speculating, so no disrespect whatsoever, of course:

1. You're Still New Enough to Game That It Hasn't Visited You Yet
You're in that sweet spot where you know enough game to get laid at will, but haven't been in it long enough that you have the concomitant "come-down" from the high, or long enough to forget what it was like to not get girls.

2. You're Just a Positive-Ass Guy
You're way overdue for a bout of the negative, cynical side-effects of game, but you have laser-like focus on the positive gains only, using game strictly for the girl-benefit. You compartmentalize it and use it as needed, not converted it into a massive "lifestyle change" that changes your whole perspective on the world. You're basically like a guy that won the lottery and never forgot what it was like to be poor.

Just guesses. Let me know what you think.

I am new to formal "Game" but I am not new to chasing girls. I have been doing it "organically" for over 20 years. I only discovered "Game" a few years ago after Mystery's show on VH1.

I have been doing this shit for so long that I am over all the anger, hatred, and bitterness. Women are sluts. So what? I'm over it. Men are sluts too. I don't have any hatred toward guys either. Sex should bring happiness not anger.

I have been cheated on, lied to, and everything else. Thats life.

Women want men with status and power. Men want women with youth and beauty. Thats just human nature and evolution. Its nothing to get upset about.

And, yes I am very positive in general.

I just love this shit. Nothing else gives me so much satisfaction as improving myself as a man and being more attractive to women.

I don't have a wife and kids, I don't follow sports, I don't watch much TV. Game is my hobby.

Getting girls and learning how to get more girls is just fascinating to me. Is there any greater or more interesting challenge for a man?

Here is a quote from the legendary playboy "Giacomo Casanova",

“Cultivating whatever gave pleasure to my senses was always the chief business of my life; I never found any occupation more important. Feeling that I was born for the opposite sex, I have always loved it and done all that I could to make myself loved by it.”

[VeryNewtotheGame]

(07-16-2011 08:40 AM)DTA Wrote:  

I've been thinking about this for many years now. It's sort of crystallized in my brain the past few months that I'm able to verbalize it accurately.

Basically, I have no interest in women besides sex. I don't care about pursuing them, I have no interest in 'dating', I don't want to spend Friday nights going out to dinner/movies or whatever the hell couples do. I want to meet new chicks, bang them, and just ignore them until I want to get with them again.

I've gotten into 'relationships' with women. I usually get bored within the first few dates and let it fizzle out. This is mainly because I often have zero interest in them as people and just want to nut. I honestly cannot help lose interest in these girls. It just goes once I've consummated.

A lot of this behavior is extremely conducive to meeting women, since I'm naturally aloof, and perpetually disinterested. I do meet a fair share of women, and the issue is that I feel like I've lost quite a few good ones because I cannot train my brain to become interested. As I'm getting older (I'm 26), I'm starting to feel pangs of loneliness and jealousy towards those who are actually able to enter into relationships and have a nurturing person with them. Yet every time I get into a situation where I can build a potential relationship, I get unrelentingly bored and restless and lose interest.

I'm sure it's a grass is greener type of situation. Anyone else feeling this way? This is why traveling like Roosh and other guys here is so appealing. It sort of calms the restless nomad lurking within my psyche.

I wouldn't say you're a sociopath or a misanthrope- you're just tired of the "Game." No more B.S basically!