[Sumanguru]

Huh. It's interesting to hear from the Asian members of this board. Thanks for opening up and being real.

Funny, growing up in Baltimore, I always respected the handful of Asian people I came across. They always owned the stores in my neighborhood and their kids did well in school. I still wish (poor/middle class) black people were doing those two things, we'd be a lot better off.

However, when I went off to college, I met *a lot* of depressed and unhappy Asian-Americans [usually Chinese, Korean, or Japanese-American]. They often had the same story: overbearing parents, especially mom, who didn't give them their own space to grow as a human being. Made them learn violin/piano/generic Western instrument. Beat them if they got less than an A. Their parents and culture worshipped lighter skin, and many of the girls felt ugly being the only Asian girl in their neighborhood/school, so the girls worshipped white cock and the guys were normally beta.

(Note that this dynamic is a lot rarer in Hawaii, but in HI you have Asians who've been there for 3 or 4 generations, they've fully assimilated and are comfortable in their own skin in a way that I just haven't seen from East Coast Asians.)

In a way, Asians were the exact opposite of the poor inner-city black people I grew up with. Whereas many of the poor black people I knew had parents who didn't give a shit and didn't expect them to do anything with their lives, the Asian parents hovered over their kids like helicopters and demanded nothing but becoming elite. When I have kids, I'd like to be in a middle of those two extremes: high expectations for my kids, but also give them space and let them live their lives.

[MdWanderer]

I must say that I do not feel a general dislike towards members of my own ethnic group, however, I absolutely HATE what we eventually became (through no fault of our own).

I feel black American culture prior to the 70s was the best. We produced great music, great food, very religious and patriarchal, family oriented, and stressed education and getting ahead in life. The number of single moms in black culture was low, and even then they would send theirs boys off to their grandparents or uncles to raise them. I talk to older blacks all the time, especially the women, and you'd get a sense they would jump through a fire for you.

Nowadays being around a lot of Americans blacks is hard. It's no so much how the culture has degraded, but how we celebrate it. Black music on the radio sucks. Nothing but Beyoncé, Rihanna and rappers who you can't understand the words to what they are saying. The reliance on the Democratic Party is another thing. Over 88% of blacks are going to the polls to vote for a known racist, feminist, and a woman who has compromised national security on numerous occasions over a guy who just said bad things about illegal immigrants, only because of that "D" next to her name. And speaking of Hillary Clinton, her "it takes a village to raise a child" quote is taken too literally by black women, where 75% of them are single moms but have their cousins, siblings, parents, etc. bear the financial and sometimes emotional burden of raising their kids. And they do it gladly rather than condemn the woman for her actions.

We are also marching for the completely wrong reasons. When drug dealers get shot by police, you have marches, protests, riots, and even celebrities and athletes sitting for the National Anthem. But nobody gets upset about the lack of black businesses in black neighborhoods, single motherhood, black on black crime, the federal government's promotion of feminism and drugs in black neighborhoods, and racism on college campuses and in the workplace.

Lastly there is the small mindedness in the black community in the U.S that needs to change. Blacks don't want to hang out with other blacks they perceive as different from the "norm" in Black America: the hip-hop, NBA, swag culture. I rarely encounter blacks who like traveling to other countries, going to beer festivals, hanging out in groups with different ethnicities etc. Traveling for most black people in America is going to Miami or New York. Most of my black friends in college were either Black Canadians, people from the Caribbean, or Africans.

[kaotic]

(10-06-2016 08:50 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

That guy is one of the reasons I dislike certain people like him from my ethnic group. I stay away from hoity toity Indian dudes that think they're god's gift to America because they sound so white and so smart. They date within their group of Indian girls too. This isn't all of them (the ones that are honest with themselves and see it red pill, like Russell Peters, I connect extremely well with). Those guys think they're better than both the white and black people AS WELL AS the other Indian dudes. Fuck them. I would rather be around people that look different from me or be around mainland Indian people that aren't tainted by western culture. I relate better to either of these groups than those tryhards in the middle. I guess there are try hards in every race and culture like this and I can't stand any of them.

God damn, opened up old wounds......you fucks....

Cobra I'd red you 5 times for this if I could.

Most the Paki's and Indians I've run across are the hoity toity type OR extreme fobs who have interest in immersing themselves in American culture, you know exactly who they are, jeans with sandals, shitty combover hair, and BO lol.

There's been maybe a handful of men from the sub continent that I could relate to, a druggie surfer one, a wigger but smart as fuck one, and a Hindu turned Mormon became a lawyer.

The girls, I don't fuck with them much, I don't even try to game them at all. I've fucked a stuck up obnoxious and lousy 6 that thought she was a 8. Another was a 21 year old whose twin sister was a feminazi, she was a 7. Then there was this 8 - who was a great white buffalo.

I just don't really vibe well with most culture from South Asia, I'm also not religious either also, so that brings more conflict from the Paki side.

[Tim in real life]

Filipino by birth here.

I do have an internal love/hate relationship with my own heritage, while my own maternal clan is pushing me towards exogamy.

As for the OP, keep in mind the Anglo elite wants to monopolize European culture, to the point Anglo women are being put in charge of monopoly on gender roles.

[Swooper]

This thread makes it seem like RVF is mostly black and Indian followed by some whites. It's rather different than what most would assume the demographic for such a place would be.

As an ethnic Chinese, my culture is something I've learned to draw great strength from. However, I don't focus on race too, too much because it limits one from seeing the big picture.

[cascadecombo]

(10-07-2016 07:07 PM)Swooper Wrote:  

This thread makes it seem like RVF is mostly black and Indian followed by some whites. It's rather different than what most would assume the demographic for such a place would be.

As an ethnic Chinese, my culture is something I've learned to draw great strength from. However, I don't focus on race too, too much because it limits one from seeing the big picture.

From your words, since I haven't read the whole thread, I would assume that since the demographic assumed from this site isn't posting here as much is that they don't share in a general dislike for their own vs those you have observed posting here.

[iknowexactly]

(10-05-2016 10:10 PM)Goldin Boy Wrote:  

Black American here.

I don't dislike Blacks. I don't like them either.
So OP is 100% certain he hates it despite never having had boots on the ground? And this dislike reasons, while they maybe partially true, are just regurgitated boilerplate alt-right/manosphere blogger talking points re: Scandinavia. I'd encourage you to go, I'm planning on do so next year, but it sounds like you've let some others make your mind for you.

The romanticization of Slavic countries as OP seems to be doing falls apart quickly for many or most Americans I'd venture.

Experiencing the extensive details up close of how a low trust culture, although people look similar, makes you feel alienated is hard.

Pricing seems predatory, people are too cynical--I've only lived in Ukraine and Russia about 6 months and didn't learn the language so I'm not really able to give a fair assessment, but others have found it hard to deal with. Someplace like Poland seemed a lot more welcoming although still cold and gloomy.

[Kona]

You guys need to hang out with some Polynesians.

Aloha!

[ms224]

For all the bitching, USA is no 1. We need to get back to the basics and stop polluting it with foreign ideas (i.e. offshoots of marxism, fascism, etc).

And also more cute country girls MAGA

So go out an support Trump!

Yea, not sure why everyone here seems to fetishize the slavs. Low trust (to put it mildly), short term cut throat bullshit and a lot of uncouth manners.


Good illustration from an otherwise shitty movie
since there are no subtitles
-old man in brighton beach - young man, we are russians, we won't lie to each other
(the scene is at 105, but somehow it doesn't skip to it automatically for me?)

131 is a the only other interesting part about survival, and willing to do what it takes.

(10-07-2016 07:50 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 10:10 PM)Goldin Boy Wrote:  

Black American here.

I don't dislike Blacks. I don't like them either.
So OP is 100% certain he hates it despite never having had boots on the ground? And this dislike reasons, while they maybe partially true, are just regurgitated boilerplate alt-right/manosphere blogger talking points re: Scandinavia. I'd encourage you to go, I'm planning on do so next year, but it sounds like you've let some others make your mind for you.

The romanticization of Slavic countries as OP seems to be doing falls apart quickly for many or most Americans I'd venture.

Experiencing the extensive details up close of how a low trust culture, although people look similar, makes you feel alienated is hard.

Pricing seems predatory, people are too cynical--I've only lived in Ukraine and Russia about 6 months and didn't learn the language so I'm not really able to give a fair assessment, but others have found it hard to deal with. Someplace like Poland seemed a lot more welcoming although still cold and gloomy.

[eddie_7]

My ethnic background is a mix of Asian(Chinese, Phillipines) and European(Irish, Spanish etc) so I guess I would be called a "hapa" or "halfie". Personally not having much face to face interaction with people with a similar ethnic background, I wouldn't know what to think.

[eddie_7]

(10-07-2016 07:50 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 10:10 PM)Goldin Boy Wrote:  

Black American here.

I don't dislike Blacks. I don't like them either.
So OP is 100% certain he hates it despite never having had boots on the ground? And this dislike reasons, while they maybe partially true, are just regurgitated boilerplate alt-right/manosphere blogger talking points re: Scandinavia. I'd encourage you to go, I'm planning on do so next year, but it sounds like you've let some others make your mind for you.

The romanticization of Slavic countries as OP seems to be doing falls apart quickly for many or most Americans I'd venture.

Experiencing the extensive details up close of how a low trust culture, although people look similar, makes you feel alienated is hard.

Pricing seems predatory, people are too cynical--I've only lived in Ukraine and Russia about 6 months and didn't learn the language so I'm not really able to give a fair assessment, but others have found it hard to deal with. Someplace like Poland seemed a lot more welcoming although still cold and gloomy.

Interesting idea. As someone who has considered emigrating to EE to live their long term, I've been considering between several countries: Poland, Slovakia, Ukraine and Russia. Poland seems to have the balance between Western comforts and Slavic tradition.

Can you elaborate on the "low trust culture"? From what I've read, the people in these cultures seems less open, less smiling to foreigners or strangers on the get go but if you can get them to warm up to you and build trust gradually, they will open up a lot more. To me it seems like friendships in these cultures are fewer in number but deeper compared to the Western culture of having many but superficial acquaintances, but having never been to these cultures I wouldn't know if this is true. What do you think?

[Fortis]

I don't wanna jinx this thread, but I really have to say it: this is probably the only "race" thread that has ever gone on for more than 1 page without anyone starting shit. Good work, guys.

[Conscious Pirate]

No. More a misanthropic attitude toward Australians (whatever the fuck that means these days) in general.

Because I love this country. My family history runs deep here. There are streets named for my great(x8) grandfather. He was part of starting the colony.

And look what these cunts have done with it...

[Putin Closes]

No. I love being Asian American. Gives you plausible deniability and leeway in pretty much any grey area. Girls come over to my place and chill without second thought, then afterwards say wow never expected that.

[preppy]

Most dudes of any race in the US are sort of goofballs.

[Phoenix]

(10-07-2016 10:51 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

I don't wanna jinx this thread, but I really have to say it: this is probably the only "race" thread that has ever gone on for more than 1 page without anyone starting shit.

Naturally though, it asks you to criticize your own race. White people do that all the time, severely, for self gratification. Being of the race you're attacking is a standard racism pass.

[Kaligula]

(10-07-2016 10:36 PM)eddie_7 Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 07:50 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(10-05-2016 10:10 PM)Goldin Boy Wrote:  

Black American here.

I don't dislike Blacks. I don't like them either.
So OP is 100% certain he hates it despite never having had boots on the ground? And this dislike reasons, while they maybe partially true, are just regurgitated boilerplate alt-right/manosphere blogger talking points re: Scandinavia. I'd encourage you to go, I'm planning on do so next year, but it sounds like you've let some others make your mind for you.

The romanticization of Slavic countries as OP seems to be doing falls apart quickly for many or most Americans I'd venture.

Experiencing the extensive details up close of how a low trust culture, although people look similar, makes you feel alienated is hard.

Pricing seems predatory, people are too cynical--I've only lived in Ukraine and Russia about 6 months and didn't learn the language so I'm not really able to give a fair assessment, but others have found it hard to deal with. Someplace like Poland seemed a lot more welcoming although still cold and gloomy.

Interesting idea. As someone who has considered emigrating to EE to live their long term, I've been considering between several countries: Poland, Slovakia, Ukraine and Russia. Poland seems to have the balance between Western comforts and Slavic tradition.

Can you elaborate on the "low trust culture"? From what I've read, the people in these cultures seems less open, less smiling to foreigners or strangers on the get go but if you can get them to warm up to you and build trust gradually, they will open up a lot more. To me it seems like friendships in these cultures are fewer in number but deeper compared to the Western culture of having many but superficial acquaintances, but having never been to these cultures I wouldn't know if this is true. What do you think?

It has more to do with general 'fuck you!' attitude or tumiwisizm I was writing about here:
thread-58484...pid1402817

I will give you a real life example:
In my apartments block a neighbor renovates his apartment. I asked him to conduct all pneumatic hammer drills in the time I am not here, between 11 am - 3 pm. I asked politely, after researching I even said that there were court judgements obliging an investor to minimize the inconvenience for a neighbor. All I have heard back is more or less: fuck you, I do not care at all!
So the only choice left to me to impose some civility is to sue him....I got a lot of negative energy out of it, and I must somehow utilize it, so maybe I will do that.

This is why we say in Poland that Poles are together only in times of disaster, like Solidarity movement in '80ties, Smolensk 2010 catastrophe, Pope John Paul II death in 2005.
Otherwise it is 'każdy sobie rzepkę skrobie', a known Polish proverb which tells you, 'it's every man for himself'.

You could also name the man's behaviour chamstwo, chamstwo being a Polish word for every kind of uncivil conduct "in your eyes". However, chamstwo expressed also a disregarding attitude towards peasants on the side of the old Polish nobility culture, since all peasants were to come from biblical Cham (Ham) and the old, archaic meaning of chamstwo/chamy is just that, peasants, simply; hence, there is an undertone of hierarchic society here. On the other side, there is a theme of rebelliousness and a fight for equality... the practical expression thereof being disregard and anarchy.
It is just to remind you that evaluative framework of culture is very old, sometimes...
For you, the practical conclusion of that arcane semantics of past is that living in Poland means also fighting for your equality sometimes, as it is not taken for granted.

[[email protected]]

I'm not sure I'd consider hapa a race but after 3 decades I can say that most of us have a big chip over our shoulder, especially the men. I'd say a great majority just want to fit in somewhere and are ashamed of themselves. They've let me down long ago and I just don't care about them anymore.

[Elster]

As I grew up in an imigrant composite cultral environment as Argentina and BS AS in particular are, I 've never felt a particular loyalty to my compatriots, as our culture is built around and estimulates individualism (and bloated egoism) there has always been an undertone about fellowship being a personal development exclusive to the parties/individuals involved and not a social obligation.

So no, am not very resented against my "people", as I am a product of their culture, it is simply what it is, and try to use both the good and the bad as measures to profit or to avoid

[scotian]

I never knew that there were such strong regional prejudices among Canadians until I (an Atlantic Canadian) moved out west to Alberta during the decade long oil boom from 2004-2014. By having an east coast accent and a blue collar job, people just assume we're alcoholics who will fight at the drop of a hat (not entirely untrue haha) but the thing that upset me is that they assume we're uneducated, uncultured idiots who moved west to steal their jobs. Here's an irate letter to the editor by a guy in Calgary who is pissed off at people from the east who moved out west:

Quote:

I was out for a drive on my way home today and what did I see, a whole crapload of licence plates on run-down looking vehicles that aren’t from Alberta. Sure, people can say that they are here on vacation, but really people, who are we kidding here, these people are here to steal jobs away from us Albertans. You really have to like the ones with “da rock” on their bumpers as we all know where you are from. My question is, if you like “da rock” so much, why don’t you go back there and get some more education as spelling and grammar do not seem to be a common Newfoundlander’s strong point. Simply put, I am sick of seeing these interprovincial migrants that just cruise around from city to city looking to steal our jobs away. I have heard back east folks are hard working and certainly many of them are, but in my line of work, they are the biggest makers of puppies on company time and these job thieves are the best at slitting the throats of hard working Albertans as we as Albertans are the ones in this damn country that put in the most amount of hours worked per province. Get some manners, job thieves, get a life and get some class: Pack up and go home because there isn’t any more room. I liked Calgary the way it was, before the boom.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/07/28/let...ly-28-2013

[Goldin Boy]

(10-07-2016 12:00 AM)Serious Sam Wrote:  

I'm a super pale white guy who doesn't understand why lots of black guys hate black women. Those plush lips, juicy asses, big ole titties...dayum!

I'm not the appointed spokesman for all Black men, but most of the complaints I've heard from my Black friends re: Black women hinge on their abrasive personalities and relentless , incessant shit-testing.

I get why they act that way: My ninth-grade biology teacher said:

Quote:

Men want to reproduce widely and women want to reproduce wisely

If a BW perceives there's a shortage of BM, she's going to want to get cream of the crop from the remaining men( Why? With a 9-month gestation period, and a finite supply of eggs, women make the greater reproductive investment of the 2 sexes). They do that by acting bitchy/entitled/neurotic to weed out the "weak" guys who can't "handle" her. I also suspect that in a racially heterogenous society, like the US, women will shit-test men of the same race somewhat harder but can't prove it.

The short answer is: I doubt it's an looks problem and I don't think it's hatred; I don't think most men of any color, game-aware or not, want to have an LTR/marriage with a woman who's breaking their balls, testing them, trying to take the lead in the relationship 24/7 to assuage insecurities that have been festering in her mind years before you two met. I saw my mom do it my father for 22 years, hell she did it to me too.

[Tim in real life]

(10-08-2016 08:01 PM)Goldin Boy Wrote:  

The short answer is: I doubt it's an looks problem and I don't think it's hatred; I don't think most men of any color, game-aware or not, want to have an LTR/marriage with a woman who's breaking their balls, testing them, trying to take the lead in the relationship 24/7 to assuage insecurities that have been festering in her mind years before you two met. I saw my mom do it my father for 22 years, hell she did it to me too.

Those are the same mothers why their sons would rather go gay or commit exogamy altogether.

I have a former high school classmate that's raised by a single mother, and even his own mother was *gasp* disappointed in him when he outed himself as gay. Speaking for myself, I have been more active into pulling my shit together and commit exogamy altogether and burn bridges with my so-called maternal clan.

Seriously, it never ceases to amaze me that every time Anglo white female feminism goes "VALAR MORGHULIS, VALAR DOHAERIS", their own sons much rather commit exogamy. I personally know a clan of English guys who exclusively marry German women, and he himself is married to a German woman.

As for shit-testing family members, they'll eventually learn too late they drove away the very family members they needed the most. I'm not hesitant to do that on flesh and blood, just to make a point.

[numanist]

I'm actually reconnecting more with people of my own ethnic heritage. There are some things that I don't like, but at the same time I recognize that there is a lot of positive aspects about my ethnic heritage and culture. I would recommend everyone do this from time. Nothing healthy can come from holding grudges.

[Lunostrelki]

I'm half Chinese. I hate how modern Asian societies ditch their own culture for fleeting success or the pursuit of western tastes.

(10-06-2016 11:35 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I think the number 1 thing holding back many Asians is their strong loyalty to family. I see it all the time in China. Sometimes your rice farmer grandma DOESN'T know what's best for you. This isn't to be down on Asians, because many of them are breaking free of that mindset, but I see it every day. Dad believes bullshit passed onto him from grandad and so and so forth and you have a seemingly unbreakable chain of betatude strangling young Asian guys in a way that doesn't happen with Western dudes. This isn't something I hate about asian culture and I really have no business talking about asian problems, but it's just an observation of mine after a year and some change in China.

While this forum does speak a lot about family, sometimes it's worth noting that families can also be the epicenter of really stupid and caustic ideas.

Keep in mind that the modern Asian family is in many ways an emasculated version of its traditional self. In China it used to be that the men of the family aspired to earn glory or knowledge or wealth and pass it on through multiple sons. Now they struggle to get a job, apartment, and car so that they can pay the bride price for some immature, domineering, or entitled woman and have a single kid who will grow up to be just as if not more troublesome.

Unfortunately many Asians have the idea that tradition is holding them back when actually it's the ills of modern industrialized (re: communist, whether in essence or form) society.

I wish that Asians would read and learn from the classics rather than spend all their time studying for math and English tests. Chinese people often find that you don't actually need to know high-level calculus at work and that the "English" they learn in school is usually garbage.

[Racer]

As an Indian myself, I completely agree with the beta-isation issue that many Indian males face growing up. My parents are traditional and naturally want me to study my ass off and believe that "girls come when you have a 'good' job". This greatly forces men to accept the provider role. And the TV dramas/movies that so many Indian mothers are addicted to aren't helping. They always portray the beta as the winner, leading to an idealistic mindset that men should always pedestalize women. Game really opened my eyes to see how deluded all the traditional Indian boys really are and I don't mix around with them, as a result.