[seniol]

A top upvoted post from The Red Pill community shares a lot of good information:

http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comme...matter_vs/

Gentlemen, be careful where you stick your dick. "I didn't know" doesn't work at the doctors office. These sluts are out of control. "I've only been with one guy" is likely bullshit. Heed your instincts.

Before I begin, a little disclaimer: I'm just a young dumb cis shitlord MD who will be staff before 28 so take whatever I say here with a grain of salt.

It seems that any discussion about the divorce risk, emotional problems, or other "soft" social markers surrounding the debate about women who CC-rode in their 20s seems to devolve into accusations of insecurity, immaturity, misogyny, Other Standardized Buzzword to Enforce PC Thinking™. Nauseating counter quotes include inanities such as "Past is past!", "She chose you now, what does it matter who she fucked before?", "Stop being so insecure!", "It only matters in so far as sexual health is concerned, otherwise I don't give a shit".

Ok, fair enough. I can understand, from a purely rational standpoint, why gold digging CC riders and their cheerleaders have such a vested interest in preventing an epidemic of slut-averse beta bucks from occurring, for obvious reasons. God forbid those betas get standards and disqualify them from the gold rush, because that would totally suck for them.

But if you're a patient telling me that partner count or sexual practices doesn't matter when you're in my office asking about your vaginal discharge or swollen, painful labia, you get labelled Big Fucking Idiot in my head, and I thank you, because I look forward to seeing you again for another future 5 minute visit in a couple months that will net me another 60 bucks. Tack on another 20 for a sick note.

Let's get specific. Just what are some of the lovely medical sequelae that present CC riders are at increased risk for? Gonorrhea is the second most common disease (never mind STI) in the US; the highest incidence is in the sexually active female population 15-19, the second highest is males 20-24, but here's the kicker - the female rate is underestimated because infection is often asymptomatic in women. Risk factors? Multiple sexual partners, previous infection, being unmarried. Again, just a Dumb Cis Shitlord, just spouting agenda, not facts, oh wait - this was from the CDC and the American Journal of Epidemiology. But so what? What if I'm asymptomatic! Except gonorrhea can lead to, and accounts for, up to 40% of pelvic inflammatory disease, which is an upper genital tract infection that can cause chronic pelvic pain, infertility, or in severe cases, life threatening abdominal sepsis. Hur dur, we has antibiotics now, we is good to keep on slutting! Ok, fair enough, 90% of cases can resolve with first or second line agents, but past behaviour predicts future behaviour, and I've already had more than one tearful counselling session with an unfortunate who is now infertile "I never thought this would happen to MEEE!!". Repeat customer, beat it each time, until Mother Complications decided to show up and exert her dominance. But but but condoms! Routine barrier contraceptive use reduces gonorrhea transmission rate by up to 50%, not 100%. And yet an early 2000s CDC survey showed only 30% of early 20s women reported regular condom use. Oh well, there's always cats! HPV-related oropharyngeal cancer - AKA human papilloma virus, sub type 16 to be specific. Most common STI worldwide, infection spreads shortly after onset of sexual activity. In decades past the primary domain of smokers, but now thought to account for up to 50-80% of North American oropharynx cancers. Risk factors: early age of sexual activity onset, multiple partners. In graphic terms, if you had a choice between eating out a former slut wife vs. a low count/virgin and chose the former, you are literally at higher risk for throat and mouth cancer. Sure, you will probably beat the odds, unless you're one of the unlucky ones that ends up losing part of his tongue and a radiated wooden neck. Double sucks if you get divorced too.

Herpes - an incurable, but non-fatal viral infection that causes intermittent painful open sores on genitalia. Same family as cold sore virus. Traditionally, your oral herpes are caused by HSV 1, genital herpes by HSV2. With the prevalence of oral sex, you are finding both subtypes on both areas. Still transmissible even if partner is not symptomatic with active sores. HSV 2 generally causes worse symptoms, so woe to you if you get it on your mouth from your dear "past doesn't matter" Special Snowflake. Bonus points if you somehow get it in your eye.

I haven't even begun to scratch the surface of why it's objectively, from a strictly medical and health standpoint, a worse decision to wife up or make a former slut your new monogamous partner. Cervical cancer risk, chlamydia, prolapse, rectovaginal fistulas (essentially, you go number 2 out the vagina), ectopic pregnancy risk, salpingitis, etc etc.

Student health clinics are a gong-show. I get students coming in treating "the clap" like a joke, like it's just a routine cold you're supposed to get like clockwork per year. I love prenatal visits where the husband comes in with the wife, I ask the mom about previous STIs or sexual history, she denies, and at future visits she spills the beans when alone. I actually had one obese diabetic who has poor insulin compliance because, I shit you not, it's a form of fat shaming. Well, if preventing blindness, rotting feet, and kidney failure is fat shaming, call me Dr. Fat-Hating Shitlord. Every week brings at least one Maury-like moment, and it's hilarious. Telling a hysterical patient in ER matter-of-factly and stone faced that she has genital herpes, while watching her faithful boyfriend's expression slowly change as I discuss the possible transmission routes makes the hours worth it. The best part is getting paid well to get a front row seat to this daily dose of human stupidity. So, buy into the flow of PC bullshit about not being a judgey douche if you want, but don't worry, I'll be there with some antibiotics and antidepressants when it all goes to shit. Just pray the bacteria doesn't become resistant before you've had your fun.

[El Padrone]

I can imagine the discussion when Amber Rose's Slutwalkers see their cucks( Russell Wilson, Tyga, Kanye, and the millions we'd never know) reading this.

[Ezio31]

Handling rotten pussies all day would make anyone, even an alpha shit lord, have a breakdown. I and Hippocrates salute you, man

[Rhyme or Reason]

For a doctor he writes like a High school kid. And can you stop linking to that den if incels, please?

[pancakemouse]

Fearmongering.

Read this for a counterpoint: https://markmanson.net/std-guide

[Stirfry]

(08-22-2016 08:12 AM)seniol Wrote:  

A top upvoted post from The Red Pill community shares a lot of good information:

http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comme...matter_vs/

Gentlemen, be careful where you stick your dick. "I didn't know" doesn't work at the doctors office. These sluts are out of control. "I've only been with one guy" is likely bullshit. Heed your instincts.

Before I begin, a little disclaimer: I'm just a young dumb cis shitlord MD who will be staff before 28 so take whatever I say here with a grain of salt.

It seems that any discussion about the divorce risk, emotional problems, or other "soft" social markers surrounding the debate about women who CC-rode in their 20s seems to devolve into accusations of insecurity, immaturity, misogyny, Other Standardized Buzzword to Enforce PC Thinking™. Nauseating counter quotes include inanities such as "Past is past!", "She chose you now, what does it matter who she fucked before?", "Stop being so insecure!", "It only matters in so far as sexual health is concerned, otherwise I don't give a shit".

Ok, fair enough. I can understand, from a purely rational standpoint, why gold digging CC riders and their cheerleaders have such a vested interest in preventing an epidemic of slut-averse beta bucks from occurring, for obvious reasons. God forbid those betas get standards and disqualify them from the gold rush, because that would totally suck for them.

But if you're a patient telling me that partner count or sexual practices doesn't matter when you're in my office asking about your vaginal discharge or swollen, painful labia, you get labelled Big Fucking Idiot in my head, and I thank you, because I look forward to seeing you again for another future 5 minute visit in a couple months that will net me another 60 bucks. Tack on another 20 for a sick note.

Let's get specific. Just what are some of the lovely medical sequelae that present CC riders are at increased risk for? Gonorrhea is the second most common disease (never mind STI) in the US; the highest incidence is in the sexually active female population 15-19, the second highest is males 20-24, but here's the kicker - the female rate is underestimated because infection is often asymptomatic in women. Risk factors? Multiple sexual partners, previous infection, being unmarried. Again, just a Dumb Cis Shitlord, just spouting agenda, not facts, oh wait - this was from the CDC and the American Journal of Epidemiology. But so what? What if I'm asymptomatic! Except gonorrhea can lead to, and accounts for, up to 40% of pelvic inflammatory disease, which is an upper genital tract infection that can cause chronic pelvic pain, infertility, or in severe cases, life threatening abdominal sepsis. Hur dur, we has antibiotics now, we is good to keep on slutting! Ok, fair enough, 90% of cases can resolve with first or second line agents, but past behaviour predicts future behaviour, and I've already had more than one tearful counselling session with an unfortunate who is now infertile "I never thought this would happen to MEEE!!". Repeat customer, beat it each time, until Mother Complications decided to show up and exert her dominance. But but but condoms! Routine barrier contraceptive use reduces gonorrhea transmission rate by up to 50%, not 100%. And yet an early 2000s CDC survey showed only 30% of early 20s women reported regular condom use. Oh well, there's always cats! HPV-related oropharyngeal cancer - AKA human papilloma virus, sub type 16 to be specific. Most common STI worldwide, infection spreads shortly after onset of sexual activity. In decades past the primary domain of smokers, but now thought to account for up to 50-80% of North American oropharynx cancers. Risk factors: early age of sexual activity onset, multiple partners. In graphic terms, if you had a choice between eating out a former slut wife vs. a low count/virgin and chose the former, you are literally at higher risk for throat and mouth cancer. Sure, you will probably beat the odds, unless you're one of the unlucky ones that ends up losing part of his tongue and a radiated wooden neck. Double sucks if you get divorced too.

Herpes - an incurable, but non-fatal viral infection that causes intermittent painful open sores on genitalia. Same family as cold sore virus. Traditionally, your oral herpes are caused by HSV 1, genital herpes by HSV2. With the prevalence of oral sex, you are finding both subtypes on both areas. Still transmissible even if partner is not symptomatic with active sores. HSV 2 generally causes worse symptoms, so woe to you if you get it on your mouth from your dear "past doesn't matter" Special Snowflake. Bonus points if you somehow get it in your eye.

I haven't even begun to scratch the surface of why it's objectively, from a strictly medical and health standpoint, a worse decision to wife up or make a former slut your new monogamous partner. Cervical cancer risk, chlamydia, prolapse, rectovaginal fistulas (essentially, you go number 2 out the vagina), ectopic pregnancy risk, salpingitis, etc etc.

Student health clinics are a gong-show. I get students coming in treating "the clap" like a joke, like it's just a routine cold you're supposed to get like clockwork per year. I love prenatal visits where the husband comes in with the wife, I ask the mom about previous STIs or sexual history, she denies, and at future visits she spills the beans when alone. I actually had one obese diabetic who has poor insulin compliance because, I shit you not, it's a form of fat shaming. Well, if preventing blindness, rotting feet, and kidney failure is fat shaming, call me Dr. Fat-Hating Shitlord. Every week brings at least one Maury-like moment, and it's hilarious. Telling a hysterical patient in ER matter-of-factly and stone faced that she has genital herpes, while watching her faithful boyfriend's expression slowly change as I discuss the possible transmission routes makes the hours worth it. The best part is getting paid well to get a front row seat to this daily dose of human stupidity. So, buy into the flow of PC bullshit about not being a judgey douche if you want, but don't worry, I'll be there with some antibiotics and antidepressants when it all goes to shit. Just pray the bacteria doesn't become resistant before you've had your fun.

I can't speak for all of the facts and statistics here, but I am a cancer researcher, specializing in oral cancers, and you're absolutely right about HPV. In fact, this is probably not even alarmist enough- some researchers believe that we are in the early stages of a worldwide HPV pandemic.

[Germanicus]

(08-22-2016 11:26 AM)Stirfry Wrote:  

I can't speak for all of the facts and statistics here, but I am a cancer researcher, specializing in oral cancers, and you're absolutely right about HPV. In fact, this is probably not even alarmist enough- some researchers believe that we are in the early stages of a worldwide HPV pandemic.

Speaking as an eager and accomplished muff diver, this puts some fear into me. I only go down on chicks I deem "worthy" but now I'm even more reluctant to do that for "good" girls.

[Kid Twist]

From another MD, go back and check my post on the cases of G and C resistance isolated in England.

Coming to a theater near you.

We're pretty crafty but, "Nature always wins."

[XPQ22]

Quote:

Telling a hysterical patient in ER matter-of-factly and stone faced that she has genital herpes, while watching her faithful boyfriend's expression slowly change as I discuss the possible transmission routes makes the hours worth it. The best part is getting paid well to get a front row seat to this daily dose of human stupidity.

Who would want this guy in charge of a used car lot, much less their life?

Last time I went to get an STD test I went to a free clinic in the inner city. It was staffed by mostly African Americans and was one of the most professional and well-run care centers I've ever been to. The staff probably deals with real shit like prostitutes and IV drug users day in and day out, but were nothing but friendly and kind to me and every other patient I saw them with.

Fuck a 28 year old "cis shitlord MD"

Quote:

I'm just a young dumb cis shitlord MD who will be staff before 28 so take whatever I say here with a grain of salt.

Cool story needs some TP to wipe away the BS, not salt.

[GlobalMan]

Everything the Red Pill discusses is about the "perils" of women, fear, and resentment- Because most of them have been repeatedly rejected by women and/or failed to understand them. They have no real interest in self improvement. There's endless discussion about all that is wrong with women but no one there seems to know how to deal with them and enjoy them. It's a depressing and angry place, with the main message that women are scary, dangerous, and to be avoided. This post is just another one in that vein.

(08-22-2016 08:12 AM)seniol Wrote:  

These sluts are out of control.

This line of thinking warrants the phrase "get a grip".

Everyone is aware of STD's and that girls have them, and that girls aren't pure angels and virgins. The smart man knows this and moves on with life accordingly.

The obsession with evil "sluts" betrays the Red Pill members' lack of understanding of females and their sexuality.

[XPQ22]

(08-22-2016 03:08 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

Everything the Red Pill discusses is about the "perils" of women, fear, and resentment- Because most of them have been repeatedly rejected by women and/or failed to understand them. They have no real interest in self improvement. There's endless discussion about all that is wrong with women but no one there seems to know how to deal with them and enjoy them. It's a depressing and angry place, with the main message that women are scary, dangerous, and to be avoided. This post is just another one in that vein.

Several years ago I used to spend some time on Reddit, including that subreddit.

I finally came to the conclusion that I'm sure many smarter men before me came to: there is really nothing of value on the entire site. Most of the lifestyle/relationship/social subreddits are worthless prima facie , and while there are some subreddits involving law, or medicine, or technology that might appear to have useful information on the surface, they usually don't. At least not anything you couldn't learn more in-depth with less effort from more intelligent people somewhere else on the Internet. Even some of the old-timers on Usenet forums that are still active from the 1990s have better knowledge at their disposal.

It probably has negative information density - you become stupider and less informed the more time you spend there. It's really only useful if you want to waste an afternoon perusing "cool stories" such as the one above.

I think reposting stuff from there anywhere other than "Everything Else" as if it's serious business should at the very least be considered a party-foul.

[blck]

My thoughts about those TRP reports:

[Sandstorm]

rectovaginal fistulas (essentially, you go number 2 out the vagina)

I'm concerned about this cancer from oral thing too - when did this appear in the world of medicine?? Like what are the chances?

[blck]

(08-23-2016 05:12 AM)Sandstorm Wrote:  

rectovaginal fistulas (essentially, you go number 2 out the vagina)

I'm concerned about this cancer from oral thing too - when did this appear in the world of medicine?? Like what are the chances?

Quote:

Michael Douglas's announcement that his throat cancer was caused by human papillomavirus, a sexually transmitted disease, has raised awareness about a men's health trend doctors have been alarmed about for years. Article

Now Let's ask Michael Douglas the real question:
"How much HPV infected pussies you have to eat to get throat cancer ?"

[VincentVinturi]

I have to echo OP's general sentiments.

I've been meaning to write up a proper datasheet but there's some seriously bad shit out there.

For example, there are mycoplasmas and ureaplasmas which are difficult and expensive to detect due to their long culture time (you have to run a PCR test), which have developed first line and second line resistance and are now only treatable with extremely strong and as yet not widely tested antibiotics.

If they develop 3rd line resistance they will be essentially untreatable until new options are found.

To say nothing of the adverse effects of some classes of antiobiotics.

Not only do they wipe out your gut flora but they have loads of horrible, sometimes persistent side effects.

A popular second line quinolone antiobiotic called Levofloxacin causes tendonopathy in the achilles tendon that can last your entire life.

There are entire forums dedicated to this one unfortunate topic.

I took moxifloxacin after azithromycin treatment failure for mycoplasma genitalium and that shit gave me insomnia and palpitations to the point where I had to stop at 8 days. Thank god that shit cleared.

By the way, Mycoplasma Genitalium is a co-factor in HIV infection.

That's right, having certain kinds of STDs sky rockets your risk of HIV infection at the same time.

I was raw dog proponent numero uno until I started catching shit and doing my homework.

Not only are there all kinds of bugs you never heard of that can fuck you up long term, affect your fertility and wreck a woman's ability to get pregnant, the cure for some of these maladies is worse than the actual malady.

Nowadays, I wrap that shit up and that's the end of it.

And even that doesn't guarantee anything.

For instance, gonorrhea lives in the throat and is easily transmissible via oral sex.

And who wraps it up for a blowie? Exactly.

[N°6]

There's so such thing as 'safe sex' - physically, socially, financially and perhaps spiritually when we consider the 'soul tie' theory (i.e. two are joined in one flesh). Add the psycho risk of women who regret throwing their first 'unborn' into the fires of Baal once she settles down as a barren wife of Beta$.

You have to do your due diligence in the post-Pill era.

[AboveAverageJoe]

(08-23-2016 08:44 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

I have to echo OP's general sentiments....


To say nothing of the adverse effects of some classes of antiobiotics.

Not only do they wipe out your gut flora but they have loads of horrible, sometimes persistent side effects.

A popular second line quinolone antiobiotic called Levofloxacin causes tendonopathy in the achilles tendon that can last your entire life.

There are entire forums dedicated to this one unfortunate topic.

I took moxifloxacin after azithromycin treatment failure for mycoplasma genitalium and that shit gave me insomnia and palpitations to the point where I had to stop at 8 days. Thank god that shit cleared.

I was prescribed levofloxacin for a UI (guess where I got that from?) and it nearly killed me after taking it for ten days every join in by body swelled to the size of a fat walmart shopper. I couldn't walk I couldn't even stand. Forget about sleeping the pain was so intense I couldn't sleep for the three months my symptoms lasted. It was the most horrible experience of my life and I actually considered suicide if I was going to remain in that invalid state. I couldn't even stand long enough to shave or brush my teeth or cook. Obviously, I couldn't work for those three months either.
DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TAKE LEVOFLOXACIN or any other drug in its class (they all have flox in their name) the forums sprouted up for this side effect refer to it as "being floxxed" one day you have a mild malady the next after ingesting these $30 a pill antibiotics you are waylayed with swollen joints and or snapped tendons, not just the Achilles either. The class action law suit failed because the warning on the label says your achilles tendeon may spontaneously snap. There is another class action now for neuropathy caused by Levofloxacin (Levaquin).
If you get a DR who prescribes you this refuse it and ask for a more proven, older, cheaper and far less dangerous antibiotic.

[asdfk]

Guys, where can I find a SPECIFIC teardown of STD risks? I'm talking statistics, probabilities and consequences here.

My idea was that going raw isn't that big of a deal, since most STD's could be treated and would go away, right? A short little google session just destroyed that illusion. (herpes and genital warts, anyone?)

I'm not going to scare myself about the "bugs you never heard of" unless someone can provide prevalence and/or probability data. There is a lack of a good book / article on this subject - at least, as far as my searching skills go.

I'm not the only one with this question, I spoke to quite a few members face-to-face who go raw in spite of better reasons not to.

[Akwesi]

If you're a fairly frequent cunnilinguist, would it make sense to go and get tested for oral HPV? I'm asking for a friend.

[DonnyGately]

There is no such thing as completely safe sex as stated earlier. Keep it wrapped as much as possible. Don't go down.

[Fortis]

(08-23-2016 10:32 AM)AboveAverageJoe Wrote:  

The class action law suit failed because the warning on the label says your achilles tendeon may spontaneously snap. There is another class action now for neuropathy caused by Levofloxacin (Levaquin).

Holy shit.

That is legitimately terrifying.

Welp, I've never been on team rawdog, but damn.

[pancakemouse]

(08-23-2016 11:39 AM)asdfk Wrote:  

Guys, where can I find a SPECIFIC teardown of STD risks? I'm talking statistics, probabilities and consequences here.

My idea was that going raw isn't that big of a deal, since most STD's could be treated and would go away, right? A short little google session just destroyed that illusion. (herpes and genital warts, anyone?)

I'm not going to scare myself about the "bugs you never heard of" unless someone can provide prevalence and/or probability data. There is a lack of a good book / article on this subject - at least, as far as my searching skills go.

I'm not the only one with this question, I spoke to quite a few members face-to-face who go raw in spite of better reasons not to.

This is as good as I've found, posted previously in this thread: https://markmanson.net/std-guide

[ivansirko]

I know this is a serious thread but when I saw the title i first thought of this:

http://thesmokinggun.com/buster/car-sex/...van-648930

Carry on gentlemen.

[seniol]

(08-23-2016 08:44 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

I have to echo OP's general sentiments.

I've been meaning to write up a proper datasheet but there's some seriously bad shit out there.

For example, there are mycoplasmas and ureaplasmas which are difficult and expensive to detect due to their long culture time (you have to run a PCR test), which have developed first line and second line resistance and are now only treatable with extremely strong and as yet not widely tested antibiotics.

If they develop 3rd line resistance they will be essentially untreatable until new options are found.

To say nothing of the adverse effects of some classes of antibiotics.

Not only do they wipe out your gut flora but they have loads of horrible, sometimes persistent side effects.

A popular second line quinolone antiobiotic called Levofloxacin causes tendonopathy in the achilles tendon that can last your entire life.

There are entire forums dedicated to this one unfortunate topic.

I took moxifloxacin after azithromycin treatment failure for mycoplasma genitalium and that shit gave me insomnia and palpitations to the point where I had to stop at 8 days. Thank God that shit cleared.

By the way, Mycoplasma Genitalium is a co-factor in HIV infection.

That's right, having certain kinds of STDs sky rockets your risk of HIV infection at the same time.

I was raw dog proponent numero uno until I started catching shit and doing my homework.

Not only are there all kinds of bugs you never heard of that can fuck you up long term, affect your fertility and wreck a woman's ability to get pregnant, the cure for some of these maladies is worse than the actual malady.

Nowadays, I wrap that shit up and that's the end of it.

And even that doesn't guarantee anything.

For instance, gonorrhea lives in the throat and is easily transmissible via oral sex.

And who wraps it up for a blowie? Exactly.

Thank you Vincent for the very insightful post.

Me personally I stopped any going down at all on any girl about 5 years ago,
and strangely enough, girls seem to fall in love with me much faster and stronger now,
when I don't focus almost at all on their pleasure.

I think going down on a girl is felt unconsciously by girls
as supplication and as a very beta move.

[AboveAverageJoe]

^Because you are putting your mouth where, only the Lord and they know, how many dicks have been. As far as the HPV goes there are over 200 strains and you might as well assume everybody has it.

Pro Naturopath tip from AAJ: Lysine will help fend off the herpes virus. It needs Arginine to reproduce and they both have identical shapes so the virus attaches to the Lysine instead if your Lysine to Arginine Amino Acid Ratio is roughly 3 to 1.
ACV will get rid of those pesky HPV warts. However the HPV's that cause warts are not the ones that cause cancer-throat, uterine or otherwise.