[Razor Beast]

(08-18-2016 03:30 PM)spi Wrote:  

I'm just flabbergasted - what would it take for a guy to not get ghosted? Even though his game was poor, I'm astounded that even a chubster like her has such a narrow margin for error, it is like skating on a knife edge.

That guy's game wasn't poor, he had zero game. His opener was piss poor. Being an unknown athlete isn't going to get you very far. Let's be real, the guy would never get laid and be the classic orbiter if he wasn't famous in some way. Being a professional athlete =/= having alpha traits that attract women.

[realologist]

(08-18-2016 05:29 PM)Razor Beast Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 03:30 PM)spi Wrote:  

I'm just flabbergasted - what would it take for a guy to not get ghosted? Even though his game was poor, I'm astounded that even a chubster like her has such a narrow margin for error, it is like skating on a knife edge.

That guy's game wasn't poor, he had zero game. His opener was piss poor. Being an unknown athlete isn't going to get you very far. Let's be real, the guy would never get laid and be the classic orbiter if he wasn't famous in some way. Being a professional athlete =/= having alpha traits that attract women.

Being a famous athlete only equals having alpha traits in getting laid. They are not equal in handling women for extended periods of time either as fuck buddies or in a relationship. That's why you see athletes getting played by random thots all the time.

[R_Niko]

(08-18-2016 05:29 PM)Razor Beast Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 03:30 PM)spi Wrote:  

I'm just flabbergasted - what would it take for a guy to not get ghosted? Even though his game was poor, I'm astounded that even a chubster like her has such a narrow margin for error, it is like skating on a knife edge.

That guy's game wasn't poor, he had zero game. His opener was piss poor. Being an unknown athlete isn't going to get you very far. Let's be real, the guy would never get laid and be the classic orbiter if he wasn't famous in some way. Being a professional athlete =/= having alpha traits that attract women.

When you're a dude who's an 8-9 approaching a woman who's a 5-6 you shouldn't expect her to be so picky

[Razor Beast]

(08-18-2016 08:18 PM)R_Niko Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 05:29 PM)Razor Beast Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 03:30 PM)spi Wrote:  

I'm just flabbergasted - what would it take for a guy to not get ghosted? Even though his game was poor, I'm astounded that even a chubster like her has such a narrow margin for error, it is like skating on a knife edge.

That guy's game wasn't poor, he had zero game. His opener was piss poor. Being an unknown athlete isn't going to get you very far. Let's be real, the guy would never get laid and be the classic orbiter if he wasn't famous in some way. Being a professional athlete =/= having alpha traits that attract women.

When you're a dude who's an 8-9 approaching a woman who's a 5-6 you shouldn't expect her to be so picky

An 8-9 in what sense? His body is probably slightly leaner than the average guy at my college gym. Plus body is way less important to girls than it is to guys. It's all about the face with them.

She's probably already fucking a couple guys who looked as good as he does but they're just more alpha. His opener was terrible and she nexted him instantly. Seems pretty standard to me. She probably didn't know he was a pro athlete.

[SamuelBRoberts]

"An 8-9 in what sense? His body is probably slightly leaner than the average guy at my college gym."

He literally has the body of an Olympic athlete.

[N°6]

Assuming that the swimmer is an 8 (without his Olympic achievements being known), his online SMV like most men, is at least two notches lower than his actual SMV in real life. OKC women find 80% of online men below average in SMV. The swimmer is below average online. Since Tinder was monetised, it is going the way of traditional dating sites (average women, single mothers, older woman hook ups).

Conversely, women's SMV increases by at least a notch and perhaps 2 when in the online SMP, depending on the angle, make-up and sexuality shown in the pictures.

So what has happened is that a "7" has ignored a "6" in the online sphere but that the swimmer has gone on to meet a genuine 8 whom he probably met in real life.

Still, it would be interesting to see who female gold medalists are dating and if their men must be fellow Olympians, much richer or if any Olympian women have monkey-branched from non-Olympian husbands and boyfriends when they were living in the athletes' village.

[Razor Beast]

(08-18-2016 11:33 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

"An 8-9 in what sense? His body is probably slightly leaner than the average guy at my college gym."

He literally has the body of an Olympic athlete.

It's a lot more common than you think it is. There are plenty of guys who have been lifting for 5-10 years seriously who have clearly better physiques. I see them literally all the time at my gym and most of them aren't athletes.

Swimmers don't have great physiques imo. Very flat with no build or width or thickness. Leanness is only one part of a good masculine physique.

He's 6'0 163 lbs. You'd probably never guess he's an athlete with a shirt on. Not the slightest bit impressive but I'm an advanced lifter so my perspective is different. He's an olympian swimmer though I'll give him that.

[la bodhisattva]

Who the fuck calls anyone beautiful with seconds of a first interaction? He lost it within his first six words. Don't call any girl beautiful. They hear it enough with every stupid facebook profile pic update or lame instagram post. If it doesn't set you apart from the rest of the desperate and wretched simps, it will at least give a small dose of humbleness.

Just a small anecdote. I was out with my two best friends and three female acquaintances. One of the girls was talking about gaining weight - obviously fishing for compliments. My two idiot friends were aghast at her self-deprecation and told her how great she looked, guessing her weight to be in the low 100s. It was all very juvenile. I was shooting pool, trying to ignore stupid, drunken conversation when my opinion was asked. I intentionally guessed 20 lbs over the obvious weight. My buddies did the obligatory "ohhhh!!!" and she the obligatory "omg, nooooooo. Realllly??" I shrugged and kept playing pool. In the following days the girl made playful remarks about me calling her fat and eventually asked if I was interested some music concert. In the month since, she's been a pretty steady bang. And pretty cool overall, despite the lame shit test she pulled with my friends. Did it all stem from me not automatically glorifying her appearance? Possibly. We were decent enough friends before and her attention/attractive only seemed to amplify after my put down. It's hard to tell, but I doubt she would have been intrigued if I fell in line with the "you're gorgeous" trope.

Moral of the story? Don't call anyone except your wife or girlfriend or....daughter(?) beautiful. It's pathetic.

[Kid Twist]

This isn't that hard to believe, in reality if you are ever on these sites, you see it or experience it daily. I think it's a little deeper than what we let onto on this thread. That is, there is a part of the online thing that I've always thought that no one takes seriously. The person isn't right in front of you, no one really trusts the pictures, if you are a guy you just hope that she's that hot, etc.

This thread is a testament to the "I would never approach in real life at least 80% of those I swipe on" and women don't really get this to a grand degree, so they just go with the delusional, entertainment flow of swiping and thinking they are in some way wanted or desired. We know it couldn't be further from the truth. It's all a wonder for, a fantasy for hookup (which sometimes happens) but shouldn't be that surprising when it happens, or doesn't. If they hamster banging someone that doesn't "count", why wouldn't girls hamster that this Olympian "really wanted me"?

Tricking girls ("game") is contingent on their irrationality, so it's a double edged sword. So much of it is fantasy, it should hardly be surprising.

[Kid Twist]

(08-18-2016 11:37 PM)N°6 Wrote:  

Assuming that the swimmer is an 8 (without his Olympic achievements being known), his online SMV like most men, is at least two notches lower than his actual SMV in real life. OKC women find 80% of online men below average in SMV. The swimmer is below average online. Since Tinder was monetised, it is going the way of traditional dating sites (average women, single mothers, older woman hook ups).

Conversely, women's SMV increases by at least a notch and perhaps 2 when in the online SMP, depending on the angle, make-up and sexuality shown in the pictures.

So what has happened is that a "7" has ignored a "6" in the online sphere but that the swimmer has gone on to meet a genuine 8 whom he probably met in real life.

Still, it would be interesting to see who female gold medalists are dating and if their men must be fellow Olympians, much richer or if any Olympian women have monkey-branched from non-Olympian husbands and boyfriends when they were living in the athletes' village.

Great post, a lot to unpack here. Your analysis is clearly the case. If you look at that guy for most women, he wouldn't be anywhere near an 8 rating, even with the body shots, and this exposes how [possibly] detrimental the 2D online "stock" is for men.

6, I'm interested in why you think monetising it hurts it to the extent you claim. Can you explain?

I'm not gonna lie, I often wondered who some of these track girls end up with too, especially the black ones. That Bahaman who dove at the line, for example, I thought to myself, man I wouldn't mind tappin' that ... but being 6 foot tall, running all the time, focused and a black woman, I wondered always if you almost have to get someone involved in the same sport and from your home country. I feel like that's what their parents are usually too, that's why they got involved in that particular olympic sport.

[N°6]

(08-19-2016 01:14 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

6, I'm interested in why you think monetising it hurts it to the extent you claim. Can you explain?

Women are less likely to pay to get access to online men whom they don't really respect. That's what Tinder expects them to do now. Men however would have less scruples with paying Tinder for theoretical access to 1000s of local women.

Most women being free members of Tinder have restricted swipes per day which compounds their relative passivity compared to mass-swiping men who as likely paying members have access to unlimited swipes per day. The value of the male right-swipe is next to nothing which led Tinder to create the superlike which is declining in value owing to female price inflation.

In 2010, I was a member of beautifulpeople.com having been accepted in by its female membership (interestingly, Hispanic North and South American women liked me the most while English women liked me the least). This was my most successful online profile ever. Most messages I sent to genuinely attractive women were answered. These women had to be accepted by the men to get in and I had to be accepted by the women, there was a mutual social proof frame. I am still in contact with some of these women today which is incredible owing to the high levels of ghosting that happen now.

The owners of BP monetised it one day and the numbers of female membership collapsed overnight. The business plan was to use their attractive profiles to target men's credit cards. Most messages suddenly became unanswered leading to paying men allowing 5s and 6s into BP as their thirst grew owing to the monetised scarcity. These new 5s and 6s who replaced the former women began to really think that they were the top 20% of women - who subsequently began seeking the top 10% of men.

When I found that the new 5s and 6s ignored me when my profile was accredited by the now absent 8+ women, I closed my account.