[Kaizen]

Anyone been?

In particular wondering what these are like outside North America

A list congresses this year:

http://www.worldsalsafestivals.org/ has some nice locales ie Bangkok etc etc

[MiXX]

I use to go to the all these events between 1998-2003, then I stopped 'cuz it got boring for me. Here is teh lowdown:

1. YOU BETTER KNOW HOW TO DANCE SALSA!! YOU BETTER!!!

2. Forget picking up latinas if you are not a salsa dancing fool! 90% of girls go here with their dance-partners (aka fuck buddies), so slim pickings for single girls.

3. Even if you are an expert salsa dancer, it does not guarantee you pussy - 100 other guys there are better than you!!

I was young and stupid back then, with my game nowhere near what it is today - maybe if I go now things will be different, but why? I can go places where I don;t even have to work for it at my age! I'm now officially the old, veteran bull who walks (not runs) to get lots of pussy

Mixx

[JayMillz]

(07-30-2011 08:58 AM)bigxxx Wrote:  

Anyone been?

In particular wondering what these are like outside North America

A list congresses this year:

http://www.worldsalsafestivals.org/ has some nice locales ie Bangkok etc etc

I've been to many including Japan, Athens, London, Manchester, Paris, Puerto Rico, Montreal, and Toronto. I met a lot of beautiful women from all over the world. I like the salsa events because it provided a setting to meet a lot of chics and hold them in my arms without having to be pretentious or come up with phony lines.

Not all the events are run the same and you need to pick an event located in a place you want to visit. I've been able to bang chics at about 50% of the events I attended. I know guys that went to ones in places like Israel, Australia, Croatia, Rostov, etc., and couldn't keep the women off of them.

[MiXX]

(07-30-2011 05:00 PM)JayMillz Wrote:  

I know guys that went to ones in places like Israel, Australia, Croatia, Rostov, etc., and couldn't keep the women off of them.

This is probably key. I went to ones that were full of Latinas (men and women) in USA( Miami, Tampa, Orlando, Puerto Rico), so going to ones in these Eastern European Slavic countries would yield better pussy dividends as any latino will be in high demand, regardless of his dance skills.

Mixx

[JayMillz]

(07-30-2011 05:45 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

going to ones in these Eastern European Slavic countries would yield better pussy dividends as any latino will be in high demand, regardless of his dance skills.

Mixx

Exactly, and you can increase your chances by networking during workshops during the day when things are more relaxed and also have a nice setup in your room with some liquor, etc. so you can invite folks up for a drink and get away for a few. Also, sometimes its good to target beginners and those that are more there to party than be the greatest salsa dancer in the world.

Also, the good thing is being able to visit places you've always wanted to go and having a bunch of people that you can link up with automatically. Here is a vid of one I might hit next year. I've wanted to check out Croatia so I can start with this event and use this as a spring board to get some local girls to show me around and hit some other venues: http://youtu.be/J5pNZ8KSwV4

[Tuthmosis]

I went to a few on the West Coast when I was hardcore into the forbidden dance. I'd agree with Mixx that you have to be extremely good at dancing if you expect to impress anyone on the actual dance floor. Mother fuckers dance like champs at these events. The angle I worked--with mixed results--was to be reasonably good (as I was at the time) and pull non-top-level girls to side conversations. I met a stubborn virgin like this once and, I want to say, one other girl that went no-where. The logistics are generally unfavorable since girls are often "there to dance" and will accept if an interrupting sausage comes asking for a dance while you're trying to work your game. What's more, there's zero alcohol--because serious salsa dancers don't drink--and it's loud as fuck because, at least at the good ones, they have live bands constantly. I'm sure it could be done, but my game wasn't as tight when I last went to one of these things as it is, say, today.

An angle I never worked, but I know some cats that did, is staying in the designated hotel for the event and working that "after-hours" angle. Also, the "Summer Splash" type of salsa events--where there's essentially a pool party--can open some other types of opportunities.

Overall, I'd say there are better (and cheaper) ways to land tail unless, that is, you absolutely love salsa dancing--as I used to. In that case, tighten up your moves, stay at the hotel, and try to pull prospects up to your room "for a quick drink."

[JayMillz]

(07-30-2011 08:29 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

I went to a few on the West Coast when I was hardcore into the forbidden dance. I'd agree with Mixx that you have to be extremely good at dancing if you expect to impress anyone on the actual dance floor. Mother fuckers dance like champs at these events. The angle I worked--with mixed results--was to be reasonably good (as I was at the time) and pull non-top-level girls to side conversations. I met a stubborn virgin like this once and, I want to say, one other girl that went no-where. The logistics are generally unfavorable since girls are often "there to dance" and will accept if an interrupting sausage comes asking for a dance while you're trying to work your game. What's more, there's zero alcohol--because serious salsa dancers don't drink--and it's loud as fuck because, at least at the good ones, they have live bands constantly. I'm sure it could be done, but my game wasn't as tight when I last went to one of these things as it is, say, today.

An angle I never worked, but I know some cats that did, is staying in the designated hotel for the event and working that "after-hours" angle. Also, the "Summer Splash" type of salsa events--where there's essentially a pool party--can open some other types of opportunities.

Overall, I'd say there are better (and cheaper) ways to land tail unless, that is, you absolutely love salsa dancing--as I used to. In that case, tighten up your moves, stay at the hotel, and try to pull prospects up to your room "for a quick drink."

Remember he's especially interested in events outside of North America. You can't compare the salsa scene in places like Europe to the LA mentality. I've seen guys that could not dance well get pussy at these events. Also, these events often incorporate Bachata, Zouk, etc. so there are opportunities to get close without having to be a salsa pro. In the USA, people generally want to show off their dance skills. In Europe, people come to outright party and have fun.

As an aside, the West Coast is not a good choice even in the USA and my LA salsero friends tell me this.

[MiXX]

(07-30-2011 09:01 PM)JayMillz Wrote:  

In the USA, people generally want to show off their dance skills. In Europe, people come to outright party and have fun.

This is what I love about Euro Salsa events, it's about having fun - not showing everyone you are better.

Girls here in USA are extremely stuck up about their salsa dance , and will be ruthless if she is "not pleased" with a certain spin or drop you did (or did not), or do not make her look incredible on the dance floor as if there were 1 million USD on the table!

So, I'll start looking for these events in Eastern Europe and target beginner-intermediate dancers that want to have fun (and fuck later on).

(07-30-2011 09:01 PM)JayMillz Wrote:  

As an aside, the West Coast is not a good choice even in the USA and my LA salsero friends tell me this.

It's a good idea to dance BOTH styles of salsa LA and Mambo On 2. That way, you never have to miss an opportunity with a girl that is strictly one or the other. I know for a fact that girls in Poland dance LA style salsa - as I have danced with a few Polish salsa females. Budapest/Croatia/Slovenia girls also dance LA on 1. Mambo on 2 is mostly East Coast, USA and the Caribbean.

Mixx

[Kaizen]

Jaymilz tell me more in particular Japan

Depending on what I hear I may start practicing in front of the mirror shortly>>

[JayMillz]

(07-31-2011 03:23 AM)bigxxx Wrote:  

Jaymilz tell me more in particular Japan

Depending on what I hear I may start practicing in front of the mirror shortly>>

The Congress is in Tokyo in November. I went last November and stayed in Roppongi. There were a lot of women at the Congress and we went to nearby salsa clubs and socials after the Congress. We were there for a week. I wound up only bagging one babe and there were a couple of others that I met but never got back to because they lived in other cities and we had made our plans to stay in Tokyo. I also went to dinner with a couple and had one show me around the city.

This was my friend's third trip to Japan and he usually hooks up with Japanese girls when they come to visit NYC to dance salsa so he already knew some when we got there and would up bagging about 3 babes but could have probably hit another 2. Now that I have a better feel for Japan, I feel like I could probably bang 3 babes if I went there again for a week.

Once the girls find out you're from the states, they flock to you. I went to a few salsa socials and the ratio of women to men was about 3 to 1 so women were almost waiting in line to dance with me. The key is to smile a lot and be very friendly. I also like to be touchy feely. I don't mean in a creepy way, but establish physical contact in a non threatening way. Most of the girls in the salsa scene know some English (and some even some Spanish) so we would teach each other different languages for fun.

If you're looking at Asia, there are also Congresses in Manila, Thailand, Malaysia, South Korea and some other places that might be better or worse. Salsa has grown so much, you can find a salsa congress in just about any part of the world you want to visit so it gives you an activity and additional networking potential. I would use the salsa event and contacts, but obviously check out the non-salsa scene in wherever you decide to go as well so you have a balanced attack, unless you're just doing so good with the salsa babes you can't break away.

When I went to the Congress in Amsterdam I had a great time and there were quite a few women from Sweden that were encouraging me to come to the Congress in Sweden. I went to one in Houston, Texas this year and had a Latina that doesn't really dance come up and ask me to dance and 20 minutes later we were up in my room so it all depends. I hope this helps.

[MiXX]

Jaymillz - what style of Salsa do tehy dance in Japan? LA or Mambo On 2 or Colombia salsa?

Mixx

[JayMillz]

(07-31-2011 09:13 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

Jaymillz - what style of Salsa do tehy dance in Japan? LA or Mambo On 2 or Colombia salsa?

Mixx

Most dance On1, but there is a growing On2 scene there as well. I met a guy that travels from Japan to Colombia to learn because he likes that style, but I didn't see anyone else that danced Colombian.

[MiXX]

(07-31-2011 09:22 AM)JayMillz Wrote:  

(07-31-2011 09:13 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

Jaymillz - what style of Salsa do tehy dance in Japan? LA or Mambo On 2 or Colombia salsa?

Mixx

Most dance On1, but there is a growing On2 scene there as well. I met a guy that travels from Japan to Colombia to learn because he likes that style, but I didn't see anyone else that danced Colombian.

Humm. I figured as such. I think its safe to say that 90% of Eastern Europe and Maybe asia dance LA On 1.

Mambo On2 is definitely a Cuban, New York, Miami and Puerto Rican exclusive style.

Mixx

[Samseau]

It makes very little sense to dance in a venue where there are 200 other dancers.

You can take your dancing skill to a club where dance music is played, but few actually dance well. Then you'll be top dog and get the pretty girls.

[JayMillz]

(07-31-2011 04:20 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

It makes very little sense to dance in a venue where there are 200 other dancers.

You can take your dancing skill to a club where dance music is played, but few actually dance well. Then you'll be top dog and get the pretty girls.

It's not always about being the "top dog" or best dancer. At these events, the dance can just be an opportunity to meet women from all over the world that have the same interest as you, but the relationship doesn't have to be salsa based. When I went to an event in Switzerland, I met some girls that took me and and some other Americans skiing after the event, for instance.

In a place like Korea, unless you speak Korean or know someone there that can help you, you are going to want to be at an event like this. If you're going to travel to a remote part of the world to dance, its better to go to an event like this than try to find a club with non dancers playing salsa music and hope that you can show off for people that are actually interested.

As I stated before, not everyone that goes to a salsa congress is a great dancer and the people that go to clubs that aren't that good will probably be at the congress taking workshops so you can target beginners and people that came to party and are not really concerned about the technical dance skill.

At the salsa congress in Athens, Marc Anthony was the headline performer so a lot of girls came to see and listen to his music and weren't there to find the greatest dancer. There was plenty of opportunities to meet nice women. Also, as i stated, these congresses also have other types of music like Zouk, bachata, kizomba, etc. and these are really easy dances.

Kizomba is basically a slow version of the lambada. A girl asked me to dance in Zurich and I didn't know how so she taught me on the dance floor and I almost had to walk with a hunchback when we finished dancing because i was so rock hard and it was too obvious. I say all this to say, these events can be a hell of a lot of fun for everyone.

[JayMillz]

When you're nice with it like this dude, a Congress is a gold mine.

[Kaizen]

^had to click the youtube link to find out where this was...argentina. no surprise there, the quality of women is damn good.

this guy must be an instructor

these dudes in blazers look slick dancing salsa... but Id be sweating up too much if I tried it

[Vaun]

(01-02-2014 10:34 AM)JayMillz Wrote:  

When you're nice with it like this dude, a Congress is a gold mine.

its crazy, it doesn't even look like dance but they know how to move and he leads the entire thing. how long does it take to learn how to dance like this? are they elite level?

[JayMillz]

(01-02-2014 11:42 PM)puckman Wrote:  

its crazy, it doesn't even look like dance but they know how to move and he leads the entire thing. how long does it take to learn how to dance like this? are they elite level?

It depends on your level of dedication. When I was in Cali last week, there was a forum member that was talking Cali style salsa lessons every day and it was already beginning to pay dividends.

There are a few things to keep in mind. Enjoy the journey in the sense that before you reach this guys level with a relatively easy dance to learn like bachata, which they are dancing in the vid, you will be meeting women in class, at socials, and developing a new network that you can parlay into other activities. Dance can be a lot of fun.

If you learn the fundamentals of a latin dance, it will help you with other dances because you learn fundamental things about dance. The guy in the vid is doing some basic things like body rolls, which is one of my favorites because its very flirtatious if you know how to do it right.

Bottom line is dance can only enhance game and/or your ability to hook up. It can also be consistent with a healthy lifestyle if you are into that.

[Pacific]

The video looks like Bachata to me (didn't have the sound on when I played the video). I guess Bachata is played at all salsa venues, I really should learn that one a bit more.

[elabayarde]

It's funny because I dance, and so I incidentally know maybe half the people you see on these videos. But my group always used to make fun of the Salsa congress types and call them corney as hell. Its cool but, what happens is in most western places, the quality is some niche ethnicity, and a bunch of older natives chicks who aren't hot anymore, but want to leverage there dancing to pull guys. IMHO.

[Virtus]

(07-30-2011 09:10 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Girls here in USA are extremely stuck up about their salsa dance , and will be ruthless if she is "not pleased" with a certain spin or drop you did (or did not), or do not make her look incredible on the dance floor as if there were 1 million USD on the table!

my line of thinking when after trying out salsa for a bit I saw that to be a "good" salsa dancer one has to "please" a ton of random girls. maybe, then maybe, you get a dance partner which may turn into a fuck buddy

it's like dating in slo mo

[Wayout]

I can go on about salsa dancing and congresses forever. What really helps is to be good looking! Look at the guy in the video above - he dancing skills are just above average but he is very good looking and dresses nice! He is an instructor from Spain and his dancing partner is a hot girl.
I know many guys who are this good looking and women flock to them even though their dancing skills are not that great. I also know more no so good looking guys who can dance much better and women don't really care about them. So nothing new here - you can go home!

[Kaizen]

^ That dude's dancing skills are not just 'above average'. He is likely an instructor. He is super smooth and is making it look easy.

All great dancers make it look easy, especially when not doing stuff too complicated. But he is communicating so much to the girl by his lead which you can't see.

All those chicks are in heaven because of his dancing. While he is good looking, there's numerous ugly instructors (google super mario) and hot girls line up to dance with him all because of the lead.

[Merenguero]

(01-03-2014 02:34 AM)Pacific Wrote:  

The video looks like Bachata to me (didn't have the sound on when I played the video). I guess Bachata is played at all salsa venues, I really should learn that one a bit more.

It is bachata. The song is by Romeo Santos and is called propuesta indecente. The guy is a good dancer, although I'm pretty sure that he never learned specifically how to dance bachata. My guess is that he is a pretty accomplished salsero and that he just incorporates his salsa (and possible other forms of dance) moves and adjusts somewhat to bachata. He's entirely different from me and from most of the other bachata dancers who I know.