[Kid Twist]

Over the last few months I've seen examples of, encountered personally as well as indirectly (friend's girlfriends), girls who are a certain type: the [usually around the Mediterranean] daughter of well-off immigrants who have done well themselves and by and large have also been (I believe strongly) virgins.

There are a few interesting things about these girls: They are around but not common, they are usually professional themselves (the parents demanded they obey and get a professional gig), and they are hit or miss as far as being guarded sexually (Submitting to some ranging all the way to "You can't get this").

What's funny is that more recently, my friend told me before I met a new girl, "Oh, you ain't gonna get any until [insert long time/married/some other funny statement]."

So when I go out, the interaction is good, but complete shut down, despite persistence to try and get a kiss.

My friend was completely right. And no, I'm not saying that's a bad thing.

The other interesting thing was that a few of the examples from the above that I have in mind, even though their moms are the ultimate feminine traditional women (cook, clean, laundry, etc.) have no skills or even seeming desire to do it. Is that the professional part coming out?

I'm just wondering how common this is, I'm talking about something slightly different than immigrants who have done well but over 2-3 generations and have spoiled children now. These are the types that speak a foreign language from their parents growing up (children of 1st gen immigrants).

Any experiences?

[Off The Reservation]

They are not virgins.

[Kid Twist]

^ I always get a kick out of this one. It comes up often around these parts.

I know probability wise you are right ... but you don't think it's like 98%-2% spread? Surely you cannot suggest there are NONE.

[Dalaran1991]

Obviously nothing is set in stone, but in game guys always always assume that "insert specific type of girl" are usually virgins. This is due more to an unconscious desire of men to find wife material. WIA had some excellent posts on this.

But for the absolute majority of the time, the girls that you like are not virgin. Do a thought experiment: do you think you are the only guy who finds her cute? Does she has absolutely no usual contact with men? Traditional falilies can't do jack shit if she went to college in the West.

You are not the first guy who tries to get into her pants, nor are you the best players who have crossed her path. Unless you find her extremely young, the chances are so low you needn't bother.

Unless by virgins you mean she only takes it in the ass and blow. Those are aplenty.

[Kid Twist]

I hear you, I'm not saying I have crazy game or the best XYZ at all.

I found the resistance, though amusing and playful, and not mad, to be BIG (even for just a kiss). It was like a playbook. I'm talking a sloowww playbook.

There are a few other details, but I don't need to go into them.

I think there are some that are solid, love attention, and also LOVE the idea that they are not giving it up.

It is definitely rare, but I've seen it a few times, and this was another. The part I don't like at all is that the girl is feminine in many ways but the career shit made her not someone able to take care of others, just pay others to do shit she should know how, imo

[Ethan Hunt]

(07-18-2016 11:13 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Unless by virgins you mean she only takes it in the ass and blow. Those are aplenty.

Reminds me of an Asian girl I had a date with. 4 years in England, went to church every Sunday, does charity work and all these great things. Get back to her place and says she a virgin and that she hadn't had a boyfriend since she was 15, girl is 23 now. Gives me an expert blowjob and claims she'd never done it before! Said my dick was the first she sucked but she was too damn good at it to believe.

[OCZ]

My last girlfriend was an Assyrian girl living in Sweden she was born and raised there but all her familly came from the middle east ( orthodox) , she was beautiful and despite Sweden being a liberal paradise (a.k.a straight's men hell) she had really strong morals which made her somehow see fellow swedish women as slutty and so. It took me months to get her to bed and had to meet her family at some point. They were glad I was at least catholic (I am mexican) and they were angry her cousin was dating a swedish guy.

I was even considering marrying her, you know those oasis in the middle of the desert . They offer you a lot, but I need to remind you they demand you a lot too. They don't hang out with male friends, you shouldn't hang out with other female friends. They expect you to delete every ex on fb/phone. She will cook for me, wait for me awake when I was late from work. She will expect you to tell everybody she is your girl as they will tell everybody you are her man. The fact that she was raised in Sweden only affected her in making professional life important, she wanted to marry but wait for kids for some years. I will recommend any man date a girl like that, but at the same time warn you that they are demanding and you will never get them to bed unless they really see that you have commitment and well if you are an atheist, protestant, muslim, asian or black probably you are a little out of the game.

Man she even wanted us to go to church at least once a month so her community could see me.
In summary, they are very traditional women, super feminine but in some aspects the European/American way of life did affect them somehow.

[Dalaran1991]

(07-18-2016 11:44 PM)OCZ Wrote:  

I will recommend any man date a girl like that, but at the same time warn you that they are demanding and you will never get them to bed unless they really see that you have commitment and well if you are an atheist, protestant, muslim, asian or black probably you are a little out of the game.

Translation: Still putting their career first, and maybe kids later, so basically every western born girl and not marriage material. They try to lock you down air-tight during the relationship and are extremely possesive. Why would you even bother? Go get a latina.

When you guys date these girls in the OP a little bit, you will soon realize that they are no better marriage material than western girls. They just try to conceal themselves behind a fake veil of femininity, but are often much more vicious than your simple bar slut.

Don't talk or consider marriage if you are in the anglosphere. Go read the excellent threads on here first.

[Kid Twist]

^

In many ways I can't disagree.

You don't cook and clean, but you had the ultimate example from your mom? That's sort of a red flag supporting what you say, because it's clear that the new, western [non]"values" have taken over.

I'll tread lightly.

[OCZ]

^ Guess why I didn't get married

[Kid Twist]

I'm thinking I might just use it for social proof.

[Off The Reservation]

(07-18-2016 10:45 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

^ I always get a kick out of this one. It comes up often around these parts.

I know probability wise you are right ... but you don't think it's like 98%-2% spread? Surely you cannot suggest there are NONE.

You are meant to think they are virgins. This is part of the classes upbringing.

To you they are virgins, to the right guy they are something else.

[Kid Twist]

Hey, anything is possible. I wonder if I flat out asked if I could tell from the answer, hesitation, etc.

[fiasco360]

I'm Assyrian myself and I have a decent insight into the girls. It also breaks down into villages of where they come from. Some villages in the middle east were more liberal than others. The tribal mentality is still relatively strong.

~20-30% potentially virgins
~40-55% average, might have a boyfriend or two before marriage and I assume maybe a crazy few nights
~15% cock carousel riders, typical sex in the city mindset
~5% hyper sluts

Although, there are some who consider themselves as virgins still even though they have taken it in the ass or blew a dude(s).

[Lindsey Graham]

(07-18-2016 11:44 PM)OCZ Wrote:  

My last girlfriend was an Assyrian girl living in Sweden she was born and raised there but all her familly came from the middle east ( orthodox) , she was beautiful and despite Sweden being a liberal paradise (a.k.a straight's men hell) she had really strong morals which made her somehow see fellow swedish women as slutty and so. It took me months to get her to bed and had to meet her family at some point. They were glad I was at least catholic (I am mexican) and they were angry her cousin was dating a swedish guy.

I was even considering marrying her, you know those oasis in the middle of the desert . They offer you a lot, but I need to remind you they demand you a lot too. They don't hang out with male friends, you shouldn't hang out with other female friends. They expect you to delete every ex on fb/phone. She will cook for me, wait for me awake when I was late from work. She will expect you to tell everybody she is your girl as they will tell everybody you are her man. The fact that she was raised in Sweden only affected her in making professional life important, she wanted to marry but wait for kids for some years. I will recommend any man date a girl like that, but at the same time warn you that they are demanding and you will never get them to bed unless they really see that you have commitment and well if you are an atheist, protestant, muslim, asian or black probably you are a little out of the game.

Man she even wanted us to go to church at least once a month so her community could see me.
In summary, they are very traditional women, super feminine but in some aspects the European/American way of life did affect them somehow.

Where the hell did you find that girl and how did you get her into a relationship?

[Kid Twist]

(07-23-2016 06:14 PM)fiasco360 Wrote:  

I'm Assyrian myself and I have a decent insight into the girls. It also breaks down into villages of where they come from. Some villages in the middle east were more liberal than others. The tribal mentality is still relatively strong.

~20-30% potentially virgins
~40-55% average, might have a boyfriend or two before marriage and I assume maybe a crazy few nights
~15% cock carousel riders, typical sex in the city mindset
~5% hyper sluts

Although, there are some who consider themselves as virgins still even though they have taken it in the ass or blew a dude(s).

Who do you think they end up with?

I might still go out with a girl I have in mind but I don't feel like chasing (she might think that's what guys should do for her).

Still, another one who isn't middle eastern but a similar culture value set, that is still hot but was smoking hot when she was in her 20s ... is like 33-34 now, and when I randomly think of her I shake my head and say "what a waste" --- how the F is this girl not married and still letting all these years pass by

[fiasco360]

(07-26-2016 10:30 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 06:14 PM)fiasco360 Wrote:  

I'm Assyrian myself and I have a decent insight into the girls. It also breaks down into villages of where they come from. Some villages in the middle east were more liberal than others. The tribal mentality is still relatively strong.

~20-30% potentially virgins
~40-55% average, might have a boyfriend or two before marriage and I assume maybe a crazy few nights
~15% cock carousel riders, typical sex in the city mindset
~5% hyper sluts

Although, there are some who consider themselves as virgins still even though they have taken it in the ass or blew a dude(s).

Who do you think they end up with?

I might still go out with a girl I have in mind but I don't feel like chasing (she might think that's what guys should do for her).

Still, another one who isn't middle eastern but a similar culture value set, that is still hot but was smoking hot when she was in her 20s ... is like 33-34 now, and when I randomly think of her I shake my head and say "what a waste" --- how the F is this girl not married and still letting all these years pass by

It really depends again. On average, male figures in the Assyrian community are much more masculine than the American counterparts. The men feel entitled to the women because our population is exceptionally old and small. There is often pressure for them to marry fellow Assyrians and a lot do. But there are also some who marry others, if not Assyrian, maybe another middle eastern Christian (Such as an Armenian), other Levant/Mediterranean Christians (Lebanese, Greek) or Russian. Obviously the women born in the west (Europe and USA) can and do marry to the local populations but assuming they have had a good upbringing - the guys they tend to go after are fairly high tier.

There are also the small minority of these girls who have had their dad be super overbearing - I mean ridiculously so. That they barely have any relationships before the age of 23-24. I knew one like that, her father wanted her to date only in the same ethnicity, but no guy was ever good enough according to him. She has a hard time getting emotionally bound to someone else and fills her time with work, family events and charities for children. Although I suspect some other emotional issues: IE her family doesn't really express emotions to each other and they don't talk about anything.

Anyway, go after the chick if you want. It is a little bit more old school, but if they are truly old school, they will cook/clean/want kids but remember you have to hold up your end of the bargain. Chances are though they will be some type of hybrid - they will work and have some western qualities, but also have some of the old school qualities. As always, keep aware of red flags.

[OCZ]

(07-26-2016 07:15 AM)Lindsey Graham Wrote:  

Where the hell did you find that girl and how did you get her into a relationship?

I had some Armenina friends in Sweden, she used to hang out with the sister of one of my friends. We met the old school style.

(07-26-2016 08:50 PM)fiasco360 Wrote:  

Anyway, go after the chick if you want. It is a little bit more old school, but if they are truly old school, they will cook/clean/want kids but remember you have to hold up your end of the bargain. Chances are though they will be some type of hybrid - they will work and have some western qualities, but also have some of the old school qualities. As always, keep aware of red flags.

Like he said and I said before, you need to fulfill your part of the deal. In my case I dated a hybrid girl, but in this times and where we met well it was good. Being in the west and not being part of their circle ( I mean I was catholic, but not middle eastern). You need to make more effort to get accepted, oldschool game works good.

[Kid Twist]

I can tell that this scenario is gonna be one where she flails and contacts me after a long time, if at all. The reason I'm talking about the girl in my situation the way I do is because I can tell by what she does with her parents (goes on vacays) and the way she talked about them that they were very tight. There are a few more details but I'll leave those for later.

It's almost like I see this girl like I see myself. We both believe we have a lot to offer but are from backgrounds which by definition exclude so many of the usual people you encounter since we are in the West.

Like other ones I've dated (that were good looking) from before, I feel sad that they follow this career path that is a dead-end; they age, they lose value each year, then they settle or don't even get married.

Summary: Because dudes (all over society) want to fuck them (but they know they won't be with them because of cultural and parent pressure), they allow their heads to get bigger, then it becomes potentially (not always) a point of no return, seemingly no one is good enough or if they are, not enough attention is given. The career thing is the final death blow, because it's a false sense of security.

Sad.

[fiasco360]

(07-28-2016 10:08 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

I can tell that this scenario is gonna be one where she flails and contacts me after a long time, if at all. The reason I'm talking about the girl in my situation the way I do is because I can tell by what she does with her parents (goes on vacays) and the way she talked about them that they were very tight. There are a few more details but I'll leave those for later.

It's almost like I see this girl like I see myself. We both believe we have a lot to offer but are from backgrounds which by definition exclude so many of the usual people you encounter since we are in the West.

Like other ones I've dated (that were good looking) from before, I feel sad that they follow this career path that is a dead-end; they age, they lose value each year, then they settle or don't even get married.

Summary: Because dudes (all over society) want to fuck them (but they know they won't be with them because of cultural and parent pressure), they allow their heads to get bigger, then it becomes potentially (not always) a point of no return, seemingly no one is good enough or if they are, not enough attention is given. The career thing is the final death blow, because it's a false sense of security.

Sad.

It's typical to see a girl who is looking good still but approaching late 20s with a busted dude in his 30s or 40s. At a certain point the father of the family gets scared the girl will never get married so he starts pressuring to date anyone that is reasonable - of course they will push to date the same ethnicity.

I do also see the ego and pedestal get in the way. They are in a treadmill of nobody being good enough unless they are absolutely ideal. But like I said you will also see them end up with busted dudes and settle. There are some sad cases where the girl is attractive and genuinely sweet but she has been held up so strictly by her father that she can't connect with anyone past a certain level.

Sometimes these chicks required a metric fuck ton of persistence on your end, even if you have your life together and have game. It requires a good balance of being aloof, fun, caring and caveman game for it to work. Even then, it's not so simple.

Generally speaking, Assyrian mentality is very similar to Armenian, which makes sense considering we have been neighbors for a few thousand years.

[Kid Twist]

^ Thanks for the reply.

Do they think you are too desperate or need if you make a move early (I did) ... or is that viewed as caveman?

I made a move, she shut me down, and I was unapologetic, just acted like nothing happened. I was wondering what this type of girl thought of it, mainly because I really do see her as high ego (as discussed) but not abnormal, totally ... just western afflicted.

[OCZ]

No, they will probably think you are just for the bang. Like we said before, she expects commitment, but don't worry just play it cool and keep with the game, don't expect imediate results though. I will say the caveman game starts to apply once you have the grip.

[Kid Twist]

* 10/4