[Tytalus]

https://secure.cic.gc.ca/consultations/V...on-en.aspx

The Canadian government is asking for public feedback. Fellow canucks let's give them hell.

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(07-14-2016 12:24 PM)Tytalus Wrote:  

https://secure.cic.gc.ca/consultations/V...on-en.aspx

The Canadian government is asking for public feedback. Fellow canucks let's give them hell.

Looks like it doesn't have an IP filter so anyone can submit comments. I just provided some input.

[Tytalus]

In terms of the impact of immigration to economy-wide wage levels, Statistics Canada estimates that for every 10% increase in the population from immigration, wages in Canada are now reduced by 4% on average (with the greatest impact to more skilled workers, such as workers with post-graduate degrees whose wages are reduced by 7%)http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/89-001-x/89...01-eng.pdf It takes between 10-12 years for Canada's population to go up 10% at current immigration levels. Over 25 years, that same level leads to a 25% increase in population...leading to a decrease in wages of 10%...and so on and so forth. If wage growth through economic growth can't keep pace, we're fucked. As we've seen in the last 15 years. We're now entering another global recession...GDP drops in a recession, let that sink in. The government has already done studies, they know all about the immigration system. They know the economy is fucked because we don't have enough babies to increase consumption without immigrants, and the more immigrants we bring in to increase consumption, the lower wages go. It's a race to the bottom.

[Suits]

I submitted some helpful feedback as well.

[Easy_C]

Isn't that kind of like having a "comments box" that feeds directly into the trash?

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(07-14-2016 02:06 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

Isn't that kind of like having a "comments box" that feeds directly into the trash?

I assume the Canadian government has regulations like the US government that say that every piece of information has to be kept on file for a certain number of years. So, if the Canadian government says later that the input was overwhelmingly "Let all the Syrians in!" someone can file the Canadian equivalent of a Freedom of Information Act request, get the files of all the responses, and show that they are full of shite.

[GlobalMan]

Besides the very first question how many "newcomers" should be welcomed, the rest are all about how Canada can best support immigrants.

This question in particular:

Quote:

What is the right balance between attracting global talent for high-growth sectors, on the one hand, and ensuring affordable labour for businesses that have historically seen lower growth, on the other?

When I started reading it I thought it was going to say something along the lines of

What is the right balance between attracting global talent for high-growth sectors, on the one hand, and ensuring our citizens have plentiful work opportunities?

The "balance" to them is between immigrants and immigrants, not between immigrants and the needs of citizens.

They aren't wanting to know if it's a good idea to bring in millions of immigrants, they want you to suggest how best to support them and make them feel good.

[scotian]

Reinstate Jason Kenney's policy of taking in skilled immigrants and reverse the current Liberal's focus on refugees, we have enough welfare moochers as it is. Compare welfare and prison numbers to ethnicities and stop taking in those who are prone to crime and work shy, case in point, the Somali gang bangers running wild in Alberta. We do need people to do the lower skilled work like pouring our Tim Horton's coffee, I say we take in Filipinos and those with solid track records of assimilation to do those jobs and stop taking in uneducated goat herders from the dirka dirka Jihad places.

[scotian]

Also, if those who've been in Canada for more than five years and haven't gone camping at least once, should be deported immediately.

[Fast Eddie]

(07-14-2016 02:18 PM)scotian Wrote:  

Reinstate Jason Kenney's policy of taking in skilled immigrants and reverse the current Liberal's focus on refugees, we have enough welfare moochers as it is. Compare welfare and prison numbers to ethnicities and stop taking in those who are prone to crime and work shy, case in point, the Somali gang bangers running wild in Alberta. We do need people to do the lower skilled work like pouring our Tim Horton's coffee, I say we take in Filipinos and those with solid track records of assimilation to do those jobs and stop taking in uneducated goat herders from the dirka dirka Jihad places.

What's the average annual income of people pouring your Tim Horton's coffee? I doubt they're making millions. I doubt they're making enough to live even a very modest life or have any sort of family. So why do you want to reduce the living standards of your fellow Canadians even further? How would you like it I suggested Canada start to import hundreds of thousands of people of your particular trade until your wages sink below those of people working at Tim Horton's?

Supply and demand don't lie. You make more money than Tim Horton's employees. That means whatever "shortage" there may exist among the staffing needs of Tim Horton's, there is a greater shortage in your trade, that's why they are forced to pay you more. So first order of business should be to bring in more skilled tradesmen until the very acute "shortage" there is resolved, and only then worry about the less acute shortage in unskilled labor. How does that sound?

I don't mean to sound overly aggressive, but this type of globalist brainwashing just gets on my nerves. Living standards are stagnant across the entire Western world. Not that there is ever any need to bring in immigrants, but that goes double during times when wages are not keeping pace with cost of living.

[scotian]

^I agree but in Canada, just like in most western nations, we've reached a point where there's many jobs that the locals refuse to do because they make more money on welfare or employment insurance. Until a government is willing to make severe cuts to the freebie pogey train (which in Canada would be political suicide), we'll continue to see third world immigrants working in east coast fish plants where the unemployment rate among locals is in the 10%-20% range.

[jibj]

(07-14-2016 02:18 PM)scotian Wrote:  

Reinstate Jason Kenney's policy of taking in skilled immigrants and reverse the current Liberal's focus on refugees, we have enough welfare moochers as it is. Compare welfare and prison numbers to ethnicities and stop taking in those who are prone to crime and work shy

The program was not great as immigrants who are sponsored by families tend to integrate better and there tends to be less fraud involved. Families who sponsor members are required to have enough income to support them and forced to take responsibility for them.

The problem with bringing in immigrants to work is that they are desparate to come into Canada so they pay employers cash under the table for the job. Who then is going to get hired? The Canadian who will work for minimum (or some other) wage or the immigrant who will pay $5,000-$10,000 cash to the employer under the table for the same job ? Sometimes it's so bad that employers cook books to make it look like they pay minimum wage but they force the employee to pay them back some of the money in cash so the person ends up working for less than minimum wage.

Immigration consultants often take part in the fraud. This fraud would be more difficult to pull off if immigration remained in the hands of the lawyers like it used to be.

I do believe that a skilled worker program needs to exist, of course, but I feel it is better for the country overall if the major emphasis for immigration policy is on family reunification rather than bringing in workers.


Source: Conversations with a very experienced immigration consultant, I myself am a lawyer working partly in immigration.

[scotian]

What about the immigrant grand parents who come to Canada under the family reunification profram who haven't ever worked or paid taxes in the country but end up using the "free" health care system?