[Leonard D Neubache]

I'll start with the premise. The Survivalist and Prepper movements have been either concocted or co-opted by the globalist elite in order to trick nationalists into believing that globalism will collapse under its own weight, and that they simply have to keep their skin out of the game until anarchy kicks in and they can retake their nations.

This has been weighing on my mind for some time now.

Nearly a decade ago I listened to warnings that the world was going to suffer a catastrophic market crash that would reduce first world nations to utter anarchy. I pulled up my roots and moved my family to a semi-remote rural location. While I don't regret the move (the country is a good place to raise my boys) I stopped reading the survivalist sites about four years ago and only just recently went back to take a look at them.

The time away gave me a disturbing new perspective.

If you go to places like SHTFPlan and cycle back through ten decades of posts you can't help but get the impression that it's the same nonsense over and over and over.

"Expert says six months until complete financial crash. 12 tops."
"War with Russia/China/India/Iran just weeks away. Maybe less."
"Leaked emails confirm pandemic cannot be stopped."

And at the end of a 3 month cycle you will simply get the same bullshit recycled over and over and over. No recognition of a prophetic failure, much less an apology.

My point is this. The survivalism doomsday preachers are incredibly successful at removing from the board a large number of nationalists that might otherwise push against globalist tyranny, soothing them with promises that this will all blow over and that their number one concern should be staying alive while the omni-state collapses under its own weight.

I will admit that I bought into it until the whole Greece debacle. Greece was supposedly about to implode. The end times were upon us. There would be an economic domino effect that would bring down Western civilisation. A year later Greece was still limping along. Another year went by. Same.

So it occurred to me. If the globalists control nearly every financial lever in the world, on what basis should we expect them to crash their own system?

The lie, however? The fear of such a crash? Well that gets everyone thinking short term. After all, what's the point of fighting against tyrants if they're all about to bankrupt themselves, right?

Anyone else care to venture a theory, because as far as I can tell after a decade of being wrong the people peddling this nonsense are either morons, self serving clickbaiters or lackeys of the globalist elite.

[spokepoker]

3 month wide echo chamber.

[zero1]

I'd hazard a guess that the answer is - we cannot know. Just think now the vast intelligence that the NSA has. Pair that with some unique Machine Learning algorithms not even the top University Professors are privy to, and you have some insight into how they have dissected the global think in ways we cannot begin to imagine.

If the elite really are the elite, they will always be two steps ahead there. So what is a facade, and what is real? It matters not. Enjoy the plunder. Spread our DNA for ancestral sake. Enjoy the party until it ends. I know at least in this moment, it is fun and enjoyable, and that's all that matters for now. At least we can go out with a bang before the dystopia begins.

[spokepoker]

Just take whatever good information they have, and use it to your own benefit. Don't buy into the "sky is falling" rhetoric, but if they have good recipes for jerky or canned goods, take it and use it.

[debeguiled]

There is every kind of porn imaginable, including doomer porn.

[Cattle Rustler]

The prepper crowd is a good niche market to sell to. They're quite emotional and will overspend in order to "stay ready".

[Graft]

Good post. I read them for about a month and quit. I was reading it earlier this year or 2015 when the market fell, they were saying: "this is it, this is it" and again nothing happened. You should keep ready with a months worth of food, guns, cash, automobile and physical gold, you wouldn't be radically changing your life.

Total anarchy can happen though. Hurricane Katrina was close, but regional.

[RatInTheWoods]

More likely a capitalist motive for fear sales generation than global elitist.

[storm]

I am with debeguiled and RatInTheWoods on this one. While many of our systems are antifragile, specifically the internet, losing them will not cause us to live in the woods and eat jerky. Worst case things will roll back a few decades to before that kind of tech became standard...people were not living under tarps in the 80s.

Preppers should spend less time thinking about how to make shelter in the woods and more time about the Battle of Warsaw and other civil-war-esque scenarios. That is a real danger.

[RatInTheWoods]

You are not crazy for having a month's food, water, candles etc in a cupboard.

Shit can go wrong, and men should be alert, but not alarmed.

[RawGod]

Why aren't preppers gardeners instead? Grow your own food. When the USSR collapsed and food distribution broke down in the early 90s, people went back to their grandmother's farm and ate potatoes. There was no mass starvation or roaming gangs.

[tomzestatlu]

Whether the world is going to collapse or not, it´s good to be prepared in some basic ways. Get guns and a lot of ammunition, learn basics of survival and combat medicine, be fit and have good friends, who you can believe and cooperate with them, when shit comes.

[Parzival]

At the moment there is a heavy rain period in Germany, some town get over flooding and cut of of electricity and clean water. Its not a complete collapse of the state because rescue forces of other areas help those people. When you think this further then think about some strange natural disaster or the breakdown of infrastructure like electricity and water supply. For this you need water and food for some days. Next issue are some violent riots in certain areas because of violent migrants, when you have unsafe areas and people don't go to work any more. Or it can be just a strike like now in France where they cut down power plants.
When you take a look now at Venezuela, complete collapse of the state and infrastructure, then you need to store water and food as well. The other think, critical infrastructure can be hit by a terrorist attack. What will happen when the power grid system get an attack? Mix it then with violent shootings of terrorist or riots of the migrants. Have food and water for 2 to 4 weeks is not that hard. Then some protection for your home to defend it. In the long run when the complete financial system should collapse I'm not sure how much you can prepare for this. This would be like a walking dead scenario where people fight each other about the remaining resources and the remaining police / military units protect certain areas.

My prediction is, terrorist attacks on critical infrastructure, violent migrants in already existing hot spots - mainly big cities. Cut down of electricity and water supply, and in the long run stores run out of food when order is not restored. This will rise vigilant groups so its important to connect already local. An other scenario is a global finance collapse. Then your money is worth shit. Nothing will work, this brings you back to have supplies for a period of time and restore local order. When something like this hits Germany, I don't worry that much that Germans would go on a rampage and kill each other. But the migrant invaders are brute savages.

[Moto]

(06-21-2016 02:39 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

Why aren't preppers gardeners instead? Grow your own food. When the USSR collapsed and food distribution broke down in the early 90s, people went back to their grandmother's farm and ate potatoes. There was no mass starvation or roaming gangs.

Try telling that to a Ukrainian.

[Hades]

I consider myself a prepper. It's stupid to trust the cumulative (completely mad) decisions of the entire world and trust your fate in whatever might happen.

For instance, tomorrow when I get some free time I'm tilling up a few square yards and planting potatoes. Why not? What's wrong with delicious organic potatoes? It only takes maybe an hour per week to maintain a small potato plot. I have a few tomato plants floating around, and there is yet time in the season to plant. Squash and pumpkins would be cool too.

In a few weeks I might buy eight or ten chickens (egg layers). Again, why not? Free range eggs are expensive.

Eggs and potatoes are something you can live off of. Throw in a five gallon bucket or two of coconut oil (it lasts a very long time) and you're set for months. Protein, fats, carbs. It's all a person really needs.

Granted, most preppers are huge on guns and assorted toys. Water, food, shelter, and weapons in that order are what you should be most concerned about. I keep a few machetes and some well made archery equipment on hand since bullets are finite. Bottles of liquor will be valuable eventually for trading. Weed is basically medicine.

For people with a bit of land or a large back yard, here is a pretty fascinating low-tech greenhouse that may suit your budget. My engineering group and I spent several weeks researching various greenhouses, and the passive Chinese style seems the most interesting. If I understand it correctly, you can grow food in the dead of winter.
http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2015/12/r...house.html

[Leonard D Neubache]

To be clear, I'm not saying there is no point in preparedness.

My beef lies with the fact that people foolishly buy into the notion that they will be able to sit out the consequences of societal decay.

Keeping fit, staying healthy, having as many skills as possible and being as armed as you reasonably can be are all things that should fall under the mantle of common sense rather than survivalism.

[Baphomet]

(06-22-2016 11:43 PM)Hades Wrote:  

I consider myself a prepper. It's stupid to trust the cumulative (completely mad) decisions of the entire world and trust your fate in whatever might happen.

Correct. Anyone who has been in a severe weather situation Like Katrina, Hugo, Sandy, or any of the recent mass floods know that the grocery stores empty out in hours, not days.

So many people are under the assumption that grocery stores have lots of inventory "in the back" and it just is not so. Grocery chains order inventory as used, and it arrives (assuming shipping is functioning) "just in time" to keep the shelves from being empty. In fact, I think a lot of stores call it the JIT system.

When the shipments can't get through, the shelves empty fast.

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In a few weeks I might buy eight or ten chickens (egg layers). Again, why not? Free range eggs are expensive.

You might as well be speaking Urdu to most Americans. Most would not have any clue what to do with live chickens, how to get them laying, how or when to collect the eggs, etc.

Ours is a culture of ease and opulence. Hell, a massive number of people do not even know how to prepare their own food unless it involves setting a timer on a microwave.

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Eggs and potatoes are something you can live off of. Throw in a five gallon bucket or two of coconut oil (it lasts a very long time) and you're set for months. Protein, fats, carbs. It's all a person really needs.

Much of my income comes from consulting work that involves several aspects of security. People make a lot of mistakes when storing food. Two of the big ones are:

1. They store food that they do not normally eat. A client showed me a storage area that they set aside for emergencies. They had numerous large plastic containers of dried beans, rice, cartons of MREs, etc.

I asked if this was how they normally ate and were they using these stores and rotating them out. "No. This is just for emergencies." So I gave them an assignment of eating ONLY from these stores, just as though there was a national disaster and food shortage for two weeks.

Within 4 days, they were cheating and going to the grocery store. "The stores weren't open during Katrina," I told them. True, in a real emergency they may not have had a choice, but they were miserable eating from there incorrectly chosen food.

2. They store CALORIES and not nutrition. In most "prepper's" stores you'll find lots of beans and rice. Beans are a damn fine food. Easy to store. High calorie content. Great fiber, and iron content. But you have to eat a shitload of them to get proper amounts of other nutrients. Just try to eat 4 cups of beans a day for three days. Just try it. Because that's how much you'll need to get an appropriate amount of vitamin C. And you'll be getting no vitamin A, D or b-12. (But you will probably be pretty regular.)

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Granted, most preppers are huge on guns and assorted toys. Water, food, shelter, and weapons in that order are what you should be most concerned about.

Correct. Water might be the most neglected/underestimated provision. The client I mentioned had 6 cases of 16oz bottled water, and about 6 gallon jugs. Evidently they believed that they were going to use the jugs for cooking, and the bottles for drinking.

During their food stores test, I also told them to turn the water off to the house. That part of the test ended at the start of Day Two.

The REAL problem with many people who are, perhaps earnestly, trying to "prepare" is that they have not pulled the plug for even a weekend, and TRIED OUT their preparations.

The problem with the rest of the population is that they honestly believe that nothing bad is going to happen and that Chipotle will always be there to serve them tainted food.

[Hades]

I find that the bare minimum amount of water to survive in one day, for drinking, cooking, and cleaning, is about three liters, four if you're exerting yourself. Even then it's not enough to shower, at best you just scrub off with a damp rag. During the Grand Canyon trip I took as a kid, we tried to carry at least 8-14 pounds of water apiece since it seemed everybody else traveling faster than us were too stupid to pack sufficient fluids, even though they had rented mules! We kept the gatoraid/gookinaid for ourselves though. They got salt tabs.

^^ Still, that is pretty fascinating stuff considering consulting work. Hopefully your clients pay attention. It seems most people need a big shock like the Great Depression or the Holodomor to think very critically about things, about where food comes from and how to survive without society's safety net. I imagine a four-day period of no Twinkies or gas station donuts would drive most people crazy.

For reference, absolutely, I have gone two straight weeks of eating nothing but rice, lentils, eggs, and a bit of salt and butter. Some cheese too. My fridge rarely has leftovers. I'll even eat two day old pizza cold for breakfast if my buddy is just going to toss it out.

Olive oil is something that would be great to keep on hand, but more is "sold" than produced, so finding legit olive oil is something that could prove to be impossible outside of Italy.

One thing I really like to keep around to make boring meals interesting (even though to me, food is fuel - if you've lived for weeks on nothing but whey powder, fish oil, and several cups of rice during a 5-10 hour cheat window there is no longer an emotional attachment to food, I recommend the PSMF to everybody) is peanut butter, jelly (squeezable or not), fairly hot ground pepper, various cans or jars of sauces, various types of salt, and bags of dry noodles.

Parmesan cheese should be considered a food staple since you can sprinkle it on almost anything. I try to keep at least five pounds (if not ten pounds) of butter at all times, though the horde is depleting. I don't like to eat canned vegetables or meats much (quite expensive) but mushrooms are not bad.

For instance, it is not hard to take three day old bread, slice it lengthwise, brush on a bit of olive oil or butter and garlic salt, carefully toast the bread in a microwave oven, and put on a couple of fried eggs with a bit of parmesan cheese sprinkled atop. That's a solid meal. People are generally silly to throw out food simply because they don't want to put in the extra five minutes of effort required to make it worth eating.

(06-23-2016 02:45 PM)Baphomet Wrote:  

(06-22-2016 11:43 PM)Hades Wrote:  

I consider myself a prepper. It's stupid to trust the cumulative (completely mad) decisions of the entire world and trust your fate in whatever might happen.

Correct. Anyone who has been in a severe weather situation Like Katrina, Hugo, Sandy, or any of the recent mass floods know that the grocery stores empty out in hours, not days.

So many people are under the assumption that grocery stores have lots of inventory "in the back" and it just is not so. Grocery chains order inventory as used, and it arrives (assuming shipping is functioning) "just in time" to keep the shelves from being empty. In fact, I think a lot of stores call it the JIT system.

When the shipments can't get through, the shelves empty fast.

Is it true that if Britain had no food shipments for three or four days, it would basically be a cannibal holocaust? Doesn't surprise me if so, since highly mechanized/developed agriculture systems often coincide with serious food insecurity.

(06-23-2016 02:45 PM)Baphomet Wrote:  

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In a few weeks I might buy eight or ten chickens (egg layers). Again, why not? Free range eggs are expensive.

You might as well be speaking Urdu to most Americans. Most would not have any clue what to do with live chickens, how to get them laying, how or when to collect the eggs, etc.

Ours is a culture of ease and opulence. Hell, a massive number of people do not even know how to prepare their own food unless it involves setting a timer on a microwave.

Keeping chickens is kind of fun. They'll even eat KFC leftovers. Savage.

RE: last paragraph :: Yeah, it's disgusting to be honest. Lots of grown women out there eat nothing but microwave dinners. Maybe for ten meals per week with a granola bar for breakfast. I guess that extra ten minutes spent on netflix was more important than their health. They probably still eat it even though it's cold in the middle. What the fuck.

I consider myself a badass to be frank and find that even with my kitchen stocked with not a lot of farm produce and random carb stuffs and lots of bone-in fatty chicken cuts I grab free from the local food shelf, I can cook better than about 90% of women, maybe more.

[Engineer]

Just watched the British/Irish film "The Survivalist" Seems like an accurate portrayal of what might happen in the year after a total collapse. The hero lives in a shack in the woods, gardens, traps, etc. Two women (one old, one young) wander by asking for food/shelter and offering seeds. I won't spoil it, but the ending is surprising, sad, and hopeful. I liked it very much.

I'm not a hard core prepper, but am interested in protecting the family during a crisis, so have limited preparations to Katrina-type events with respect to food and water. We could probably go 2 weeks in a crisis. Beyond that, would need outside assistance or bug out.

[LeeEnfield303]

(06-23-2016 12:40 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

My beef lies with the fact that people foolishly buy into the notion that they will be able to sit out the consequences of societal decay.

Keeping fit, staying healthy, having as many skills as possible and being as armed as you reasonably can be are all things that should fall under the mantle of common sense rather than survivalism.

I see it as not completely avoiding the consequences of societal decay, we know that's not possible.....its more along the lines of "I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you."

If I'm even marginally prepared, there will be much softer targets out there....and, like most people, predators are lazy. They aren't going to crack a tough nut when there are others around ripe for the picking. For the first decade, at least, there will be an abundance of Eloi out there. Most will die easily.

I don't have to kill them all, I just need to convince them to move on.

[Hades]

Update - it's going to storm and hail tonight so all my squash, tomatoes, etc; plants I picked up today at the local small business (always buy American, folks) are just going to have to sit and wait.

Brought up a few tons of manure with the skidsteer and gonna plant a big fucking victory garden. We're going to war eventually, WWIII or something - I can almost smell the gunpowder now.

[Valentine]

I like the idea of prepping but if you're living the nomadic lifestyle with centrally-located apartments you're quite limited in the actions you can take.

It's essentially a trade-off of security for mobility. In case SHTF you're better suited to quickly packing your bags to GTFO than hunkering down to survive.

The mobility strategy is aided by having digital or low-weight currency/items to sell, having a bug out bag and a vehicle to escape the country, or at least getting to a less densely populated area.

This could be combined with the defensive security strategy of prepping too e.g. having a steel-hulled sailboat in the harbour or a well-known stocked cabin in the woods.

[PainPositive]

(06-20-2016 04:49 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I'll start with the premise. The Survivalist and Prepper movements have been either concocted or co-opted by the globalist elite in order to trick nationalists into believing that globalism will collapse under its own weight, and that they simply have to keep their skin out of the game until anarchy kicks in and they can retake their nations.

So it occurred to me. If the globalists control nearly every financial lever in the world, on what basis should we expect them to crash their own system?

The lie, however? The fear of such a crash? Well that gets everyone thinking short term. After all, what's the point of fighting against tyrants if they're all about to bankrupt themselves, right?

Anyone else care to venture a theory, because as far as I can tell after a decade of being wrong the people peddling this nonsense are either morons, self serving clickbaiters or lackeys of the globalist elite.

This is touched on in the book Roosh just released, and answers your question. The link to the book is here. I think this books was important because I couldn't answer this question as well.

Roosh (Free Speech Isnt Free) Wrote:

While I had many insightful conversations with the men, one stood
out the most. A white man named Jeff came up to me in the bar and
unloaded a speech that connected some hanging dots I had about
understanding why the elite at the top are hellbent on promoting
ideologies that are actively destroying the social fabric of society. I
knew instantly that Jeff’s explanation was the missing piece I was
looking for.

“It’s no accident that every policy pushed by the elite has the effect
of limiting reproduction,” he said. “That’s the design. Cultural
liberalism in the West is the control mechanism they need to prevent
the population from growing among groups who are most likely to
resist the government. The immigrant populations that are invading
the United States and Europe are being used to control the groups that
have been deemed dangerous.

“Why is it that Bill Gates is dedicating his fortune to population
control in Africa? Why are Warren Buffett, Ted Turner, and David
Rockefeller so concerned with population control? Why does the
United Nations have Agenda 21 to set country limits for population
growth? The elites have created crises out of thin air, particularly with
the environment, to control human behavior and reproduction, and
they’re now waiting to invent a catastrophe so large that we can only
be saved when they hold their hands together and give us a one world
government to fix the problems that they created.

“They are breeding distrust between men and women with ‘rape
culture’ to reduce the population. They are saying the Earth is in
danger to reduce the population. They are brainwashing women with
feminism to reduce the population. And they are allowing immigrants
to flood in with the result that natives end up giving more authority to
the government to protect them from the same immigrants they
placed within their neighborhoods.”

I replied, “I’ve come to realize that feminists and social justice
warriors on the ground are the expendable foot soldiers. The activists
and wage-slave journalists are created by the controlled universities to
promote a specific set of ideas that benefit the elite with odd built-in
contradictions, like being against patriarchy and rape culture but
giving a pass to Muslim immigration and Islamic values, which are
definitely patriarchal. The foot soldiers pursue their own self-interests
and quest for power and money in the name of the ruling elite’s
agenda, one that is determined to destroy the family unit and control
the population, but what is the end-game?”

“To crash the system. The United States is being loaded with debt
that will never be paid back. It’s at 18 trillion now. The immigrants
are a drain on the system and they know it. They are not here to pay
taxes and save the country.”

“How does a crash benefit the elites?”

“It surely doesn’t hurt them. They have their billions safely stashed
away along with their secure foreign properties in the Swiss mountains.
A crash will be the pretext to bring in their one world
government, which has been their goal all along. And if they don’t
crash it they will hijack the next environmental catastrophe to further
their agenda, and then we’ll be like Greece, a country that is no longer
sovereign. All its major infrastructure, institutions, and corporations
are now owned by world banks or globalists. An entire country
enslaved. Greece is the test case, and it shows how easy it is to profit
from a country’s collapse. If a country’s debts can’t be paid, they’ll
just take ownership of the country.”

“But don’t the cycles of empire already predict this type of decline?
It almost seems as if they are…”

“…accelerating it. Yes, they are positioning themselves for this
decline, so that when it happens, they’ll have massive amounts of
wealth and multiple safe zones to live in. They know it’s coming, and
they’re getting ready for it in a way that prevents anyone from
fighting back. The family and the tribe are already gone. The last step
is to confiscate guns in the U.S. before the big crash comes. And even
though the signs are staring everyone in the face, most people don’t
have the mental ability to understand the events that are unraveling
before them. They just can’t see reality as it exists. They look for
authority, for someone or something to submit to, and they follow
orders after they’ve been properly deceived. The human species is a
zombie species. They’re barely different from ants. The queen ants are those who own the media, who run the universities, and who pay
the politicians. We have to wonder if even the politicians themselves
are aware of what’s going on behind the curtain.”

If a random observer overheard Jeff, I have no doubt he’d utter the
phrase “conspiracy theorist,” and maybe a couple years before I
would have thought the same, not knowing that the phrase “conspiracy
theory” was actually promoted by the CIA to provide cover for the
agency’s illegal activities and efforts to overthrow foreign governments.
But at that moment in time, after Jeff finished talking, my jaw
was hanging. He provided the missing link. Before him, I had social
justice and feminist policies floating in disconnected bubbles within
my mind without a place to put them. I had failed to connect birth
control, abortion, female education and employment, rape culture,
sexual harassment, homosexual marriage, transsexual acceptance,
open-borders immigration, welfare, and multiculturalism. Jeff put
them in a big circle and wrote the phrase “Depopulation And Human
Control” above them. It made complete sense.

The one common end goal, whether accidental or deliberate, is to
reduce the reproductive rate of the native-born population as a means
of controlling them. The American black population, thanks to liberal
policies of abortion and welfare, has been decimated relative to other
races within only a few decades, with the intention of controlling their
numbers. If you take a look at Africa’s birth rates, you’ll see that the
black race is quite fecund, but in the United States their birth rates are
exceedingly low and have remained at a seemingly pre-determined set
point of 13% for the past several decades. After the “beta test” on
blacks was completed, the elite spread welfare for single moms
(under which the father is not allowed to live in the house), feminist
ideas on steroids, and “reproductive health” services to white people,
with the exact same outcome of decreasing birth rates.
The elites see controlling blacks as important to maintaining order
in the urban cities, while controlling whites is important to maintaining
their own power. Hispanic immigrants provide double duty by
helping control both whites and blacks. The reproductive ability of
whites was reduced mostly through feminism, by which the elites
empowered sterile female “thought leaders” who hated men and gave
them huge bullhorns through their media outlets, NGOs, and other organizations such as the United Nations to promote egalitarian ideas
to the masses that prevent family formation. The success of that
program cannot be understated: now all women of college age are
trained to believe that normal white men, not Muslim or Hispanic
immigrants, are natural-born rapists who are deliberately instituting a
“rape culture.”

Destroy the women, remove their interest in reproducing at their
peak fertility, and very soon you have a death rate that surpasses the
reproductive rate. Then you allow millions of immigrants to flood the
country to further control the natives by making them fearful, playing
an age-old divide and conquer strategy where a native is distracted by
the immigrants taking over his neighborhood instead of identifying
the crimes of his own government and fighting back. These immigrants
also lower median wages by expanding the supply of labor so
that even if a native man wanted to create a big family, he could not
afford to do so, even assuming that he can find a woman not bloated
on GMO foodstuff and free of feminist brainwashing that has led so
many women to refuse to learn homemaking or motherly skills in
favor of becoming Tinder whores, donating their bodies as sex dolls
to dozens of sexy men and making themselves unfit for motherhood.
With no real meaning in his life, and boxed in on all sides by
hostile people and ideas, the native man becomes so demoralized and
weak that he lacks the will to fight. Hollywood and Silicon Valley
then finish the job by distracting him with never-ending on-demand
entertainment and porn that transforms him into a calm consumer cow
who is plugged into the system. All that’s left is the confiscation of
everyone’s guns, to ensure that the men who are still able to fight can
no longer do so.

When you work backwards from Jeff’s assertion of “depopulation,”
nearly every action by the government and its useful idiots
makes sense. Feminists and social justice warriors don’t know they
are useful idiots for the elite’s agenda, but that is the reality, and the
higher up you go, to the owners of the media and the richest men of
the world, the more we can assume that they are using depopulation
as a deliberate program to cement their rule and control humanity.
They optimize their strategies and policies while meeting in their
various clubs such as Bilderburg, Bohemian Grove, the Club of Rome, and the Council of Foreign Relations.

The man who is suffering a false rape accusation by a woman who
has been brainwashed to believe that all men are rapists is an
insignificant casualty in the campaign to destroy the type of society
that breeds strong families which are able to resist the government or
not be dependent on it. If you have any doubt that depopulation is the
agenda, all you must do is ask yourself whether the newest liberal fad
(it happens to be transsexual acceptance at the time of this writing)
will increase or decrease the reproductive rate if adopted by a greater
percentage of the population.

The marriage rate in the U.S. is the lowest it has ever been, but no
effort is being made by the federal government to increase that rate.
Instead, resources are being diverted to cater to those who don’t
reproduce at all, such as homosexuals and militant feminists. Then
you look further east to Russia where they force immigrants to
assimilate to Russian culture and language while giving financial
bonuses to women who have Russian babies, and it’s clear that those
who rule in the U.S. are promoting sterility throughout society, and
breaking the women and men so that any children they do have will
be so hopelessly damaged as to rely on the system and its pharmaceuticals
and entertainment just to get through the day without a nervous
breakdown.

I asked for Jeff’s number and met with him for drinks two weeks
later. I peppered him with questions for over four hours on topics
including the Bible, Jewish influence in modern Western culture,
fertility and death cults, modern finance, and the impact of Neanderthal
genes on modern humans. I took some notes on what he said,
trying to make connections on remaining questions I had in my mind.
There is usually at least a three-month delay from when I figure
something out to when I am able to present the idea and its arguments
coherently enough to my readers. If I ever meet an untimely death,
make sure someone trustworthy examines my laptop, because I’ll
have dozens of pages of material that describe what I was thinking up
to my end.

In the past I used to seek out men who had high ability in meeting
the opposite sex for the purpose of fornication, but lately I’ve been
seeking out men for their intellectual ability in order to help me
further my understanding of the world. Because of this, I have
surrounded myself with some of the smartest men in the West, and I
do believe the manosphere, and specifically my sub-sphere of
neomasculinity, is a sort of holding ground for men whose intelligence
and ideas are going to waste in a mainstream liberalized
society, in which if their merit and unfiltered view of the world were
tolerated, they would cut through the false façade of multicultural
egalitarianism and perpetual female victimization. I can only hope
that our ideas will create an ideological framework that will be useful
after Western society inevitably crumbles at the hands of the elites
who are deliberately ushering in its demolition.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(06-24-2016 05:56 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 12:40 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

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My beef lies with the fact that people foolishly buy into the notion that they will be able to sit out the consequences of societal decay.
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I see it as not completely avoiding the consequences of societal decay, we know that's not possible.....its more along the lines of "I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you."
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The difference is between civilisational collapse and a police state depression. If general lawlessness is the problem then generic survivalism is not a bad option.

The problem is when you wake up one day and find that the crash didn't come, the millions of preppers who might have pushed back against tyranny simply moved to the hills, and now everyone on the government's black list including the preppers are simply being picked off by the hour as individuals unattached to any cohesive movement.

[PainPositive]

(06-26-2016 08:48 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(06-24-2016 05:56 PM)LeeEnfield303 Wrote:  

(06-23-2016 12:40 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

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My beef lies with the fact that people foolishly buy into the notion that they will be able to sit out the consequences of societal decay.
...

I see it as not completely avoiding the consequences of societal decay, we know that's not possible.....its more along the lines of "I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you."
...

The problem is when you wake up one day and find that the crash didn't come, the millions of preppers who might have pushed back against tyranny simply moved to the hills, and now everyone on the government's black list including the preppers are simply being picked off by the hour as individuals unattached to any cohesive movement.

You assume these guys only have a plan to move to the hills. Many are organized and have very large networks and systems in place for a variety of scenarios. Many are both preparing for lawlessness while maintaining jobs and positions in society that will be useful to combat government tyranny, nuclear war, anarchy, economic collapse, and a variety of other situations. Many of these guys are smart, motivated, ex-military, doctors, lawyers, even politicians.

It's like fire insurance. Statistics say it's extremely unlikely you will lose your house to a fire, yet we allocate a certain percentage of our resources for that possibility. The same goes for this. Depending on your personal beliefs in the probability of a collapse occurring, you should dedicate some of your time and wealth to making sure you're covered in the event it does happen. How much is up to you.