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"A well-regulated militia"
06-19-2016, 09:02 PM
With the talk of gun control in the US ramping up again, I thought I'd mention this part of the second amendment. Many people are unaware of what it means. "Well-regulated", in 18th century parlance, means well-trained, or drilled, not "constrained by regulations/laws" as we think of the word today. The "regular army" was the phrase used to refer to the professional trained army, while a militia was made up of citizenry.
I do think training and being part of a militia are two aspects of gun ownership lacking in America today.
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06-19-2016, 09:15 PM
That's because you're looking for a militia that doesn't have a black flag with Arabic writing all over it. This particular form of militia is likely to be the only legal militia in the West by the year 2025.
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06-20-2016, 09:53 AM
As defined in
Title 10 of the US Code, there are 2 types of militia: organized and unorganized. Organized militia refers to members of the National Guard or reserve units. Unorganized militia refers to male citizens between 17 and 45.
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06-21-2016, 10:15 AM
A fair government should not fear armed citizens because it represents the citizens. I support the idea of a society that is able to defend itself. In the past it was a duty to serve your country to defend the rights of your tribe, group or nation but military service get abolished because most governments work for greedy elites that are not better then corporations with no social responsibility.
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06-23-2016, 01:13 AM
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06-23-2016, 02:25 AM
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State*, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Notice that everything up until the asterisk applies no legal burden on the latter part. It may as well read "A well banged bitch, being necessary to the notch rating of the player, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
I know it's a minor derail, but I hate it when gun rights advocates get enticed into debates about the first half of the 2A when it's unnecessary and they stand only to lose from it. Pretend the first half doesn't exist. Legally speaking it's just fluff.
As for being part of a militia, for most people it's just too much effort, and certainly a waste of time if someone were simply attempting to tick the "well regulated militia" box since the parasite gun-control class would never confer you such a title regardless of how solid your G-unit was.
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06-23-2016, 08:10 AM
Quote: (06-23-2016 05:31 AM)Shrodax Wrote:
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Every time an anti-gun idiot tries to spout nonsense about how the Second Amendment only applies to militias, I like to point out that certain state constitutions, written around the same time as the U.S. constitution in 1787, are even more specific about gun rights. The Founding Fathers would certainly have been aware of these clauses, so looking at these other wordings about keeping and bearing arms, it's fairly obvious what they intended regarding the Second Amendment.
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Absolutely. The progressives are perfectly willing to ignore all historical context as and when it suits their purposes.
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06-24-2016, 08:21 PM
Quote:Quote:
Every time an anti-gun idiot tries to spout nonsense about how the Second Amendment only applies to militias
Well, you can take that and turn it around. It's clear that the second amendment refers to guns used for defensive and military purposes and has nothing to do with hunting. This makes it clear why an outright ban on "assault style" or military type rifles would properly be unconstitutional.
Not that it matters...if Hillary is elected she will fill the court with more left-wing justices who believe it means "the army can have guns".
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07-10-2016, 06:23 AM
Maybe a stupid question, but I'm not really familiar with American law and all. When I read
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State
I'm wondering if private security firms or your local neighborhood watch are covered by that, and if so, if that gives them some special rights over other groups or individuals as far as gun ownership is concerned.
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07-11-2016, 04:02 PM
I believe the founding fathers understood the importance of this Amendment which is why they placed as the 2nd Amendment. It is a protection against a government becoming tyrannical, unjust and unfair.
It was how America won their Freedom from England. I believe they feared that The US government could do the same thing in the future so they kept it as a safe guard to allow the citizens to protect their other rights and amendments to the Constitution.
All "A well-regulated militia" really means is an organized militia force that would protect the rights of American citizens if the government pushed it's power too far and infringed on too many rights.
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07-12-2016, 10:13 AM
Correct, Sixsix. However, please remember that according to the founder's, "rights are inalienable" and "God-given." So it doesn't matter what the Supreme court or lawyer says, everyone has a right to bear arms. God says so.
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07-12-2016, 05:15 PM
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