[redneckpunk]

(07-22-2011 10:44 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

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Are you saying girls in Cusco jump on your dick when you walk in to a venue ? because i have a different experience here.

yep, there are definitely some girls in those bars that will approach you. My first time in Mama Africa I was hit on within 3 minutes of entering the bar, and banged the girl in less than 2 hours.

[Entropy4]

(07-23-2011 04:05 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 04:57 PM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

That makes absolutely no sense.
Think about it. 6 foot white guy comes rolling into Peru (or Cambodia), is throwing money around like it's candy, makes more in a week than the locals do in a month, is good-looking and well-dressed, is banging a new chick every other night, and some stubby Peruvian girl looks at him and thinks, "Oh, I better lie to him so he doesn't feel inferior." Puhleeease.

It makes sense. That's the way women think. They compliment you the same way they want to be complimented themselves, i.e. "you are caring, smart and genuinely good person which makes me feel special", not "you have nice ass, I'd like to fuck you".

One of the reasons for that is that she wants to make herself unique - she (mistakenly) thinks that every other girl would tell him she likes him because he is tall and white and rich, so he should probably be tired of such compliments, but she'd be special and mention none of those things. In reality every other girls tells you the same crap about "Thai men no good, I only love men who care" until you stop it with "then you won't love me because I only care about myself", and when you tell her so, she gets really amused.

See the reason I just don't buy this at all is because all of the Thai women I heard this stuff from were women who were not sleeping with me, nor were they trying to sleep with me. One being a 50-year-old woman who ran the restaurant down the street from my apartment. Another being a 30-year-old woman already married to an ex-pat. The girls I actually fucked never said anything about this. It was the same thing in Guatemala. The girl I saw there never said anything about this stuff. But my Spanish teacher, who was about 40 years old and had four kids, told me that it's quite common there for stuff like that to happen.

I just find the whole, "She's lying to you to get you to think X, Y and Z" to be very paranoid and silly. I'm not dumb. I can tell if a girl is lying to me to get a quick buck.

But I think to gloss over the fact that women in a lot of these countries are absolutely treated like crap as some conspiracy theory of them trying to get into our wallet is a little self-centered. Some women in these countries have had incredibly hard lives. Big swaths of these countries are shitholes. I find it kind of amazing that many people on this board are unwilling to admit that.

[Entropy4]

(07-22-2011 10:44 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

Are you saying girls in Cusco jump on your dick when you walk in to a venue ? because i have a different experience here.

I believe Roosh said Cuzco was the easiest place to get laid in all of South America (I could be wrong though).

[MiXX]

I was also someone that did not experience Peru girls jumping on my dick. I consider myself a very good looking and stylish American born Latino.

Mixx

[Miley Cyrax]

(07-22-2011 04:57 PM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

I barely even tease when I'm abroad. I don't have to. I just get confused looks. You could talk about poetry and truffles all night and they'd still go home with you in some of these countries.

I can't wait for the "just graduated high school and traveling abroad for the first time! need a poetry and truffles routine stack for nightgame!" threads to start cropping up.

I assume Selva is talking about lower to middle class indigenas or mestizas that are like 5-6.5's. I could definitely see "nice guy" game working on them. I rejected a few of these girls in Mama Africa's, although I eventually capitulated and made out with a 6. However, I couldn't get past the opener on Nordic-looking 8.5+'s in Lima. I got ignored a couple times, one word answers without stopping to talk, or death stares like "what the fuck are you doing?" One time I might had even got a sarcastic thumbs up, but that might be my brain making shit up.

Peru is fun and I would encourage anyone to go, but expectations have to be realistic.

[georgec]

I think a general of thumb is, in poor countries, a particular sub-set of girls with a particular agenda make a bee-line for foreigners, and this leads to all sorts of confusions that would be avoided if this was better understood.

Poor girls in poor countries who are ALSO not considered desirable by the local men throw themselves at foreigners in the hopes of escaping poverty. Such girls, being considered undesirable by the local men, often have a history of being treated extremely poorly by them, but this does not mean such treatment is common across classes. The primary motivation of these girls being to escape poverty, it is no surprise that their hierarchy of values in a man will prioritize niceness and willingness to spend money, and that they will *butter up* their target by showering him with compliments designed to reinforce these tendencies in him.

None of this means *nice guy game* works on the hot local girls who are desired by the local men, especially those who are not from the poverty stricken classes.

It is also a HUGE mistake to conclude based on local girls reports of their mens *assholeness* that the local men in these countries are all these massive alphas - they are not. Even in patriarchal societies with strong gender roles, where you would think it is much easier for men to be alphas, beneath the public gender roles innate betaness and alphaness has a way of asserting itself unmistakeably. Many of these reports are based on undesirable women being pumped and dumped because of their undesirability, and on a very small minority of upper class men who are indeed true alphas and who exercise a disproportionate impact on the psyches of the innocent little local maidens. The vast majority of men, even upper class ones, remain scared betas, as is the case in Thailand, where I lived, and where all these conditions apply.

That poor ugly girls in poor countries throw themselves in large numbers on foreign men, and complain about their own men, can be gratifying to ones ego, and has given rise to the myth that in certain countries it is extremely *easy* to get with local girls. This is only true for the local undesirable girls.

I pretty much make it a litmus test of a guys history with pretty women and how good he is with women in general if he comes to a place like Thailand and thinks its *heaven* and women throw themselves at him. If he thinks that, he has pretty much made his status and history with women , and what he is used to associating with, crystal clear in my eyes. I advise anyone who actually likes pretty girls to be similarly cautious.

[georgec]

(07-23-2011 10:05 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

I was also someone that did not experience Peru girls jumping on my dick. I consider myself a very good looking and stylish American born Latino.

Mixx

Thats probably because you actually like pretty girls - Im sure you had plenty of ugly girl attention but it flew right under your radar, as it would for any self-respecting man.

[Excelsior]

(07-23-2011 07:36 PM)georgec Wrote:  

Poor girls in poor countries who are ALSO not considered desirable by the local men throw themselves at foreigners in the hopes of escaping poverty.

This is true. Foreigners often have limited access to the elite women in the societies they visit who are in high local demand. Those girls can get elite local men, and they prefer them. It is the women who are less-than-elite in many of these societies that throw themselves at foreigners.

That being said, it is worth noting that we do have different standards of beauty. What is locally unappealing overseas may be extremely attractive to foreigners.

The definition of "ugly" and "pretty" is not set entirely in stone. This dynamic might not apply in every country, but its something to think about.

[MiXX]

(07-23-2011 07:36 PM)georgec Wrote:  

The vast majority of men, even upper class ones, remain scared betas

This is a perfect example of what you will find in these countries: a guy acting like a complete chump and MEGA BETA begging his girl to "never stop loving him" in humiliating ways while throwing his dignity and pride to the ground for her. I see this all the time from local men...and some women have gotten used to it so bad, that whenever you so much as not answer her phone call she calls you rude and ill-mannered.

I laugh my ass off every time I see this video.

Mixx

[Spike]

(07-23-2011 10:02 AM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 10:44 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

Are you saying girls in Cusco jump on your dick when you walk in to a venue ? because i have a different experience here.

I believe Roosh said Cuzco was the easiest place to get laid in all of South America (I could be wrong though).

Well, i'll see tomorrow as its my last night out in Cusco. Tonight i'm staying in, my legs are fucked from walking 3 days at Machu Picchu ( which was amazing)and tomorrow i'll have my own room again one block away from the big plaza and mama africa club.

I don't think Cusco is the easiest city for getting laid with Peruvian girls, its clubs and streets are packed with young foreigners , its probably the most touristic city in South America and i haven;t seen many hot girls here. I expect Lima to be better.

[Shaman]

(07-22-2011 02:28 PM)Selva Wrote:  

Casting pearls before swine....

Completely agreed. Not surprised to see most of them don't understand the difference between an alpha and a shithead, nor do they seem to even understand that you can be very alpha and also treat people (including women) very well.

[dk902]

(07-23-2011 09:22 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 07:36 PM)georgec Wrote:  

The vast majority of men, even upper class ones, remain scared betas

This is a perfect example of what you will find in these countries: a guy acting like a complete chump and MEGA BETA begging his girl to "never stop loving him" in humiliating ways while throwing his dignity and pride to the ground for her. I see this all the time from local men...and some women have gotten used to it so bad, that whenever you so much as not answer her phone call she calls you rude and ill-mannered.

I laugh my ass off every time I see this video.

Mixx

Damn Mixx I laughed my ass off watching that. Muy divertido.

"Te amo baby, con todas mis fuerzas."

[pitt]

(07-24-2011 04:52 AM)Shaman Wrote:  

(07-22-2011 02:28 PM)Selva Wrote:  

Casting pearls before swine....

Completely agreed. Not surprised to see most of them don't understand the difference between an alpha and a shithead, nor do they seem to even understand that you can be very alpha and also treat people (including women) very well.

I think it all depends how are you defining a good guy here. I treat everybody with respect including women, i probably even come across as a good guy soon as i start talking to them, but it doesnt mean that i will wait long to fuck them or anything like that. I am clearly going to run game on her and try to fuck her ''soon'' (that soon depends on the circumstances) as i meet her.

But yeah i agree that many people think alpha is being a completely dickhead and just dont give a fuck about anybody emotions and i dont even think that attitude is needed in order to fuck a lot.

[MiXX]

(07-24-2011 05:31 AM)dk902 Wrote:  

Damn Mixx I laughed my ass off watching that. Muy divertido.

The only thing left was for that idiot to start crying towards the end.

Mixx

[Entropy4]

Agreed Pitt.

Also, I'd just like to point out, obviously we all have our own opinions and experiences... but OP lives in Peru and has been dealing with the women there day-in day-out for years. We were all a bunch of tourists who just swung through. So... just something to keep in mind before making fun of the lack of "alphaness" or whatever.

[farka]

(07-23-2011 07:39 PM)georgec Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 10:05 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

I was also someone that did not experience Peru girls jumping on my dick. I consider myself a very good looking and stylish American born Latino.

Mixx

Thats probably because you actually like pretty girls - Im sure you had plenty of ugly girl attention but it flew right under your radar, as it would for any self-respecting man.

Interesting perspective, what would you say about this guy's experiences in Europe?
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-2123.html
Were these women not the most desired?

[DanDeLaCruz]

I was born in Latin America and partially raised there... So I'm speaking from first hand experience.

All those sob stories women tell about their local men are true. They're not making it up. Women for the most part down in Latin America get treated way worse then in places like the United States.

I think of it as the opposite of the USA. In the USA women get to be bitches, and get away with it. It places like Latin America men get to be assholes and get away with it.

I agree that some women respond well to assholes, some part of not giving a fuck is very alpha but there comes a point in these women's lives when they get fed up with dealing with assholes, especially after being burned many times. People do get tired of getting treated like shit.

So when a foreigner comes along that doesn't get sloppy drunk, come home to beat her, of course she'll jump at the first opportunity to lock him down.

I mean just look at this forum. Most guys on here will agree that most American women are not worth the trouble. All these guys are fed up with American women. Is it so hard to think that there may be a large portion of women in Peru who are fed up with their local men? I don't think so... and there other places like south east asia and Eastern Europe where most of the same concepts apply.

Even Roosh admitted recently in a post that "it's ok to be a beta male" in places like this in one of his recent posts and it's true. You can be a nice guy (aka beta) and still get laid in these places...

[MiXX]

(07-24-2011 01:23 PM)DanDeLaCruz Wrote:  

You can be a nice guy (aka beta) and still get laid in these places...

Are you saying that Ziago above is getting some major fine tail in your country? 'Cuz he does not look like the type that gets drunk, comes home and beats his girl to me. If anything, he is publicly humiliating himself to prove his love.

So, theoretically, local women must be running to lock-down this poor, helpless beta before another girl fed up with her raging alcoholic boyfriend does.

Mixx

[DanDeLaCruz]

(07-24-2011 01:49 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Are you saying that Ziago above is getting some major fine tail in your country? 'Cuz he does not look like the type that gets drunk, comes home and beats his girl to me. If anything, he is publicly humiliating himself to prove his love.

He'll get more tail down there then he ever will in DC, Miami or NYC...

My point is that there are places like the USA where being a nice guy gets you zero tail...

And then there are places like Latin America where being a nice guy doesn't really matter. You'll still get tail. Does that mean that we should all start acting like Ziago? No... But you get my point.

[MiXX]

(07-24-2011 01:58 PM)DanDeLaCruz Wrote:  

(07-24-2011 01:49 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Are you saying that Ziago above is getting some major fine tail in your country? 'Cuz he does not look like the type that gets drunk, comes home and beats his girl to me. If anything, he is publicly humiliating himself to prove his love.

He'll get more tail down there then he ever will in DC, Miami or NYC...

My point is that there are places like the USA where being a nice guy gets you zero tail...

And then there are places like Latin America where being a nice guy doesn't really matter. You'll still get tail. Does that mean that we should all start acting like Ziago? No... But you get my point.

lmao!!

Yeah, I get your point. Its just that I truly wanna hang-out with Ziago someday...I've never laughed so hard!

Mixx

[DanDeLaCruz]

(07-24-2011 02:19 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Yeah, I get your point. Its just that I truly wanna hang-out with Ziago someday...I've never laughed so hard!

You might have to queue up in line behind all the women...

[redneckpunk]

(07-24-2011 02:24 PM)DanDeLaCruz Wrote:  

(07-24-2011 02:19 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Yeah, I get your point. Its just that I truly wanna hang-out with Ziago someday...I've never laughed so hard!

You might have to queue up in line behind all the women...

I can't even get past a minute of ziago without stopping it bc i'm afraid my laptop will start ooozing cheese out of it. F'ing pathetic.

Like Anthlone mentioned local tastes play a large role as well.

Example, in China the men like light skin and big eyes and tiny asses. A girl with a gorgeous meaty ass by western standards is literally made fun of by locals. Nice tan skin and sexy slanted eyes are looked down upon. It is like this in much of Asia.

In Latin America i can get hot skinny girls bc locals don't like skinny girls they like meaty girls.

A foreigner can get top notch tail in any country, if he is an EXPAT much harder if he is a TOURIST.

In Peru it doesn't matter what type of game you run, alpha, beta, charlie, delta....they hump.

[MiXX]

(07-24-2011 06:14 PM)redneckpunk Wrote:  

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In Latin America i can get hot skinny girls bc locals don't like skinny girls they like meaty girls.

You're right. please take 'em all...just get 'em the hell away from me!

Mixx

[Mr.GM]

(07-23-2011 09:22 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 07:36 PM)georgec Wrote:  

This is true. Foreigners often have limited access to the elite women in the societies they visit who are in high local demand. Those girls can get elite local men, and they prefer them. It is the women who are less-than-elite in many of these societies that throw themselves at foreigners.

I guess this is particularly true for 1st tier brazilian cities like Rio. I was in Copacabana/Leblon till yesterday , and even considering that is winter time down here, I saw a significant number of black american men and other gringos looking for day game action near the shore line ,but most seemed quite desperate,chatting up or being approached by low-quality chicks or P4P.This time I wasn't able to go out at night, but I tend to believe that in the club/bar scene it will be the same scenario for the average gringo with average game.

[Spike]

I got my Peruvian flag a few days in Cusco. Gonna game hard in Lima now.