[Kid Twist]

General how many interactions do you guys pursue to establish comfort and/or by what meetup # would you not go past without getting any action?

It's fairly easy to tell with most if they've put you in the "Yeah, I'll bang him" category, but how long should you put up with the ASD?

[Swedreams]

Depends on the girl. Usually 1-2. Around 4 interactions is my cut-off.

[WestIndianArchie]

If a chick gives you the ASD, anti slut defense, you're making her feel like a slut, like she is only there for your sexual release.

Some of that is your game, and lack of calibration.
Sometimes you're getting her hot, and she doesn't want to be easy, a promise she's making to herself.

1) I'm not a slut, don't treat me like one
2) I am a slut, but I'm trying to be good, God it's so tempting...I'll not shave my legs, I'll wear granny panties...

Proper frame setting, usually eliminates both forms, so that you can bang on the FIRST date.

Players often find that is actually easier to do in the second meet. Third meet is the limit,, unless you slow track a girl. (Slow track is ONLY for when you have two other fb's and you can't schedule a bang. Otherwise you're fooling yourself)

WIA

[DimeBait]

Few different things I used to build comfort.
(1) Use terms of endearment; mama, love, sweetie etc, or (2) a unique nickname; her name is nicole, I call her nick etc, (3) several venue changes on a single meet, (4) reveal something intimate about myself, and (5) ask her advice about something serious.

[Kid Twist]

You know when she is interested, these are the cases I am referring to specifically, WIA. That is, multiple IOI during an initial meet up, touching/reference to future/playful reciprocating when you challenge her

So yes, the scenario I'm referring to is when "she doesn't want to be easy [promise]

Maybe ASD was a bit too harsh of a term for me to use to start, but you are correct about being careful not to make the situation seem like she's only there for your release, that's good advice

What's funny is the girl I'm thinking of currently here made it a point to say "You didn't think you were going to just meet and bang me" which was an end around code for "I'm pretty sure I wanted you to bang me before but now I'm acting like I'm not gonna make it easy"

Fact is, she wants it, but yes one has to play his cards right

[RatInTheWoods]

THREE DATE KATE

[Indy]

If you're using Tuth's first-date bang strategy, I'd say no more than two drinks.

[LeoneVolpe]

I think progress is the name of the game. Would it be great if you could get first-date bangs each and every time? Of course. That's like telling a golfer he should get a hole-in-one every time. It would be nice, just not very realistic. I do, however, believe in pushing each and every interaction as far as it can go. As long as you're going further and further each time you meet, I don't see anything wrong with it. Ideally, you get the notch the first date, but if it takes you two or three times before you get it, I still think you're in good shape. It's situational. But I will say, you're almost certainly being played for a fool if you've hung out a handful of times or more and still haven't sealed the deal.

[Kid Twist]

As an aside, and this is specifically referring to online game, the ones that are interested (maybe the sluttier ones to begin with?) ... you have an early window to strike, if that's your goal. Not for everyone, but it fits the whole "err on the side of aggression" theory which is absolutely accurate.

I've been on the other side of this reflecting (I don't regret it, I made decisions for other reasons not to pursue hard initially) ... but the reason I say it is because when I tried to re-initiate contact at a delayed time (I got horny or had high T), the sexual interest either fizzled or there was an attempt to take it to relationship mode. And these weren't any sort of girls that you'd want that with, lol

[WestIndianArchie]

If a girl agrees to meet up with you, sex is on the table.

With online, she's seen your pic and gotten your vibe from the profile. The first meet is basically to see if you're a secret internet beta presenting himself as alpha. It's a smell test, and if you pass it, she allows you to run game.

That's what on her mind. Is this guy cool, or a lame like all the rest?

Even if you're cool, alpha, whatever - that doesn't mean you can fuck her at will. She's still deciding on whether she wants to fuck you. If you're hot enough, she'll basically take charge.

A lot of new guys are fine with this arrangement. Consider it an upgrade from the average guys experience, although this is now becoming the average guys experience.

Consider getting her to actually meet as a low level game.

What I've been describing for the last few years is that even though you're getting your dick sucked, it's on *her* terms.

You can reach a certain level of proficiency creating a system that just runs girls through a funnel like this. You'll screen better and find the dtf cuties faster. If you're really lazy you'll use the formula or the zero date bang. Your cost per notch goes down. From there it's easy to set up fb relationships and have mini relationships or harems.

And I'm sure that appeals to a lot of guys here.

WIA

[XPQ22]

^ The only thing I would disagree with is that there are some online serial daters who will meet you in person, but have no intention of doing anything more than sit three feet away from you, validate, then leave.

I guess you can always argue that one could lay any serial dater if one said the right words and used the right alpha plan, but who the guys are that are convincing the girls going on eight dates a week and using it as a TV substitute to bang, I do not know.

[griffinmill]

Yes, the post is mostly right on the money WIA, but it must be noted that some girls (serial daters in the 30s demographic) do not turn up to be fucked. This is evident in the way they turn up to the date: having just come from work, with zero effort having been put into them looking in any way sexually appealing. Flats on, hair up, face plain. One would have to ask why they've turned up looking like this for a guy they have (presumably) found attractive enough to meet.

[WestIndianArchie]

" I guess you can always argue that one could lay any serial dater if one said the right words and used the right alpha plan, "

This is what game is for.

What the internet has done for a lot of guys is made it way easier to ask for dates. There is skill involved, but it's not cold approaching.

I feel like there's a huge generational disconnect when it comes to really understanding what a man is supposed to do when he has female flesh in front of him who's ambivalent or hostile to him.

But chalking it up to age suggests that guys knew this stuff back in the proverbial day.

WIA

[takashi hanzo]

For me a large part of it has to do with logistics with getting the lay on the same night. With that being said I live in a studio apartment and have no furniture except my bed and a coffee table in front of the bed with magazines like cosmo. My place is setup for maximum comfort, pillows everywhere nice big tv, stocked with water, cozy bathroom, ambient lighting..and one big bed lol.

My closing rate is insane, about 80% of the time im going to get the lay. The 10% may dip out and ill never see them again, the rest come back for day 2 bang maybe a day 3.

Another aspect to this is im not a sleezy sex starved kinda guy when I meet women. I've had girls tell me that they were never to sure that I even liked them in the first place, so they losing their shit. I always give them a reason to sit on the bed:

Movies
Watch hulu
Let my show you mywebsite
Lets watch music videos

[Jagnum]

(05-09-2016 09:47 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

General how many interactions do you guys pursue to establish comfort and/or by what meetup # would you not go past without getting any action?

It's fairly easy to tell with most if they've put you in the "Yeah, I'll bang him" category, but how long should you put up with the ASD?

It totally depends on the girl. I used to operate with the assumption:

"I must push the interaction as far as I can on the 1st date."

It backfired terribly in 2015. If the goal of game is to bang chicks, I was not doing well at all. I was only getting one bang for every 10 first dates. A 10% conversion. I outline my new strategy in this post:

thread-54567...pid1274079

It's hard for me to give advice, without knowing the specifics.

- Is she refusing to come in to your place?
- Does she come in to your place, but won't let you take off her underwear?
- On what date is this happening?

PapayaTapper has some good posts here on thinking about LMR:

thread-54111...pid1233870

thread-52942...pid1191264

THC also has a good post on LMR:

http://swooptheworld.com/10-techniques-l...esistance/

I have more advice, but it's going to be dependent on whether she isn't taking her clothes off in the bedroom (dismantling LMR), she likes you but is afraid of having sex (you have to talk to her honestly to address this in the bedroom), she isn't coming over to your place (she doesn't really like you yet and your date game needs work).

I think the problem with putting a hard number on it, like saying "it has to happen by the 3rd date or else" puts tremendous pressure on you to seal the deal. She'll sense how much pressure you are on under, and she will be turned off.

Instead, I operate with the "I'm going to do my best, so sex happens on the 2nd (or 3rd) date. But if it doesn't happen, it's not a big deal. If I like the girl and want to see her again, I'll hit her up and we'll schedule another date. If I'm not really into this girl, I won't hit her back up and I'll text someone else."

[Easy_Mode]

(05-09-2016 09:47 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

General how many interactions do you guys pursue to establish comfort and/or by what meetup # would you not go past without getting any action?

It's fairly easy to tell with most if they've put you in the "Yeah, I'll bang him" category, but how long should you put up with the ASD?

Of course, it all depends on the vibe. But usually just 2. 3 if my gut is telling me this chick operates this way(only did this once in the past 1.5 years). You know 95% of these girls will bang a guy they meet at a social gathering. So why are they trying to be so tight legged on an actual romantic "date"?

I met this one girl over tinder last week. Tell her to come to my place. The exchanges seemed to all indicate she was looking for a hook up. Little to no text, she was ready to meet, ASAP, even her idea. She gets here, we kiss a little. That's all she would do. So she leaves and says "I'll let you take me out." Hmm, nah I'll pass. She has called me a few times, but I can tell she is just an attention whore looking for guys to entertain her. So I've declined seeing her again. She wanted me to take her out last night last minute. I got the feeling someone cancelled on her, and she thought I would take her out. Nope. My gut told me she is playing games. However, I've had plenty of other 1st "dates" that didn't end in a bang, but I felt confident she wasn't playing. But after 2 and with my pretty aggressive style if she isn't putting out I just assume she has no idea how to keep or attract a man. I don't need that shit at this age.

[MikeS]

Depends primarily on the country for me.
Back in my native Denmark sex usually happened the first night - didn't do much "dating" there, mostly bar and club pickups and when I was younger sometimes private parties.
Here in Bulgaria I allow up to five dates (don't really do nightgame anymore, and haven't managed to pull a ONS the limited number of times I've tried) if I feel fairly certain after the first few that sex will eventually happen, but mostly it's been on the second or third date.
On my two long Thailand vacations sex would be on the first or second date, and the second date would be the same day or the next, not days or a week's wait as I usually have to put up with here in Bulgaria.

[Kid Twist]

I visited the capital, Mike, but didn't make it to places like Plovdiv. Are those cool?

[MikeS]

(05-19-2016 03:59 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

I visited the capital, Mike, but didn't make it to places like Plovdiv. Are those cool?

For sightseeing or women? I only have experience with women in Sofia - plus some night approaches in Varna, Sunny Beach and Plovdiv that didn't go further than make-outs and numbers - but as far as sightseeing goes Plovdiv is definitely worth a visit in the Spring or Summer. Beautiful city with the Old Town and the large hills with a view to the Rhodopes mountain range.
Varna is my favourite city on the coast (not counting the smaller towns and villages). Didn't like Burgas as much.

[robreke]

(05-10-2016 10:09 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

If a girl agrees to meet up with you, sex is on the table.

With online, she's seen your pic and gotten your vibe from the profile. The first meet is basically to see if you're a secret internet beta presenting himself as alpha. It's a smell test, and if you pass it, she allows you to run game.

That's what on her mind. Is this guy cool, or a lame like all the rest?

Even if you're cool, alpha, whatever - that doesn't mean you can fuck her at will. She's still deciding on whether she wants to fuck you. If you're hot enough, she'll basically take charge.

A lot of new guys are fine with this arrangement. Consider it an upgrade from the average guys experience, although this is now becoming the average guys experience.

Consider getting her to actually meet as a low level game.

What I've been describing for the last few years is that even though you're getting your dick sucked, it's on *her* terms.

You can reach a certain level of proficiency creating a system that just runs girls through a funnel like this. You'll screen better and find the dtf cuties faster. If you're really lazy you'll use the formula or the zero date bang. Your cost per notch goes down. From there it's easy to set up fb relationships and have mini relationships or harems.

And I'm sure that appeals to a lot of guys here.

WIA

Good stuff.

It's really not on 'your' terms, until the girl is in love with you, at which point, she's given up virtually all power in the relationship.

This is the stage when she's blowing up your phone a few times a day and just wants to bask in your presence as much as possible.