[Centurion]

I'm not socially skilled enough to know how to proceed next. This is like in social circle situations.

Most of the time, since I don't really have many friends, this would be a group I'd just met or only have talked with a few times, and likely the group is together and knows each other well. I don't know how well the nightclub line "let's get out of here" would work especially if she wants to be with her friends too.

I've realised this is probably the main bottleneck in my game. I've got strong body language and "alpha" vibe/behavior and middling social/conversational skills(because I'm autistic, I think this is amazing). Edit: Oh, and my frame/teasing is quite good too

To describe my recent thought process, another post here on RVF(thread-53899...pid1287559) revealed I was way too focussed on HBD/evo psych theories of "value". My main hang ups were depression lowering my inner game, and how often a "low value" girl would reject me, or a girl I actually liked would flake or seem uninterested(when it's likely because she's distracted or whatever). Now looking back with this lens it's highly likely when (hot) girls have stared into me it's because they liked me.

Because of this, I've been way too focussed on trying to "drop value" and subtle DHVs, and being disappointed when I got nothing and guys who were almost objectively worse than me got girls. Now I realised a lot of girls already liked me, but I just didn't know what to do next, and let it fall through.

So if I can solve this I could have some major breakthroughs in my game.

[Travesty]

Isolate and number crunch discreetly if sex isn't on the table that occasion.

You will see as your Game improves your body posture, eye contact, facial expression, vocal tone & speed, and clothing style will do 98% of the DHV'ing for you.

As G would say, you may have lost before you even walked out your front door. One of his best lines is: "If I put a custom suit on a mannequin with a cigarette and a roll of cash in the middle of the nightclub he would clean up better than 99% of guys there." There is a lot of wisdom in that statement. Haha, mannequins don't have to say much and have a perfectly relaxed upright posture.

Low value girls will often reject you due to their own insecurities. Kind of like how some guys without game unknowingly reject girls due to their own insecurities. Never give a thought to low value girls, they are not valuable.

[Centurion]

(05-05-2016 06:25 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

Isolate and number crunch discreetly if sex isn't on the table that occasion.

I guess what I'm asking is how exactly do you do this?

[Aquiles_Baesta_Parada]

Didn't Mistery used to write about these types of situations and what to do??

[Valentine]

(05-05-2016 06:55 PM)Centurion Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 06:25 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

Isolate and number crunch discreetly if sex isn't on the table that occasion.

I guess what I'm asking is how exactly do you do this?

Depends where you're meeting these groups.

If it's in a bar you can suggest getting drinks and ask her to accompany you to bring them.

You could also shift the conversation topics so it's more focused on 1:1 conversation, and usually the other people will start to talk to each other instead of remaining in the conversation.

Basically make up any excuse why you need to talk to her alone.

[Centurion]

(05-05-2016 08:04 PM)Valentine Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 06:55 PM)Centurion Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 06:25 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

Isolate and number crunch discreetly if sex isn't on the table that occasion.

I guess what I'm asking is how exactly do you do this?

Depends where you're meeting these groups.

If it's in a bar you can suggest getting drinks and ask her to accompany you to bring them.

You could also shift the conversation topics so it's more focused on 1:1 conversation, and usually the other people will start to talk to each other instead of remaining in the conversation.

Basically make up any excuse why you need to talk to her alone.

I think the most common situations for me are in music gigs, maybe parties, outdoors in the park, or just "hanging out" maybe doing sport or whatever. Your advice is very helpful though, I think I'll try and adapt it to my situations I happen to be in.

[Suits]

Isolate. Build comfort. Increase kino. Bang.

[WestIndianArchie]

There are lots of ways to do this....

a) She likes attention
If the chick is usually a firecracker in the group, very outgoing, then you can
- Okay Sheila, I bet you a beer that.....(and win or lose) you can pull her off the group to go collect.

A bet, a story, a cold read - whatever you like - the key is to use her attention whore qualities against her.

b) She doesn't like attention
If she's shy, you can wait for her to get some semi isolation from the group and either
- eye code her - look her in the eye, and do a head jerk like you want her to break off from the group

or
- wait for a moment when the group's attention is really someplace else.

The key here is to respect her privacy.

After you get them alone
- your words are formal
- you tone, body language, and volume are not formal.

Why not just jump her bones? The group is watching. She knows it, and she outgoing or shy, has a reputation to protect.

The guys will hear nothing odd.
The girls will see changes in her body language.

WIA

[XPQ22]

In my experience girls smiling at me or "giving me the eye" means next to nothing. Then again, "night game" definitely isn't my strong point and
approaches in that setting have pretty much never gotten me anywhere.

[XPQ22]

^ I should clariat what I mean. Night game is hard around here, but I haven't given up entirely. But it's been my experience that girls whom I waited around to give me IOIs and such before I approached were the ones I was least likely to make much headway with.

The couple girls whom I did grab numbers from or at least seemed more receptive were the ones whom I didn't wait around on. Just came in like a bolt from the blue.

Again, that's just my experience.

[Hazaer]

(05-05-2016 09:07 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Isolate. Build comfort. Increase kino. Bang.

How do you isolate if she is with just a friend or two?

Also, some suggestions on building comfort would be useful. What are the subjects you talk about with her?

Thanks.

[XPQ22]

^ WA just gave you a bunch of isolation tips a couple posts up...

It was good for me to read again, as I've come to realize that the biggest sticking point with my night game was "plausible deniability." Particularly in this area where almost every girl has feminist leanings - they have a reputation to keep up as "not that type of girl who let's creepy men talk to her in bars."

Doing fine online, so why wasn't it translating? Oh, right. Because those girls are self-isolating. That's the whole point, duh!

Id been getting shut down because my approaches weren't calibrated to their needs. The few times I managed to get a girl isolated though? It's not hard at all to move forward, and I think my failures pretty much came down to not pushing hard enough on the same night and accepting flakey phone numbers.

"Plausible deniability" is a great phrase to keep in mind...I'm going to.

I think it's good that OP is moving away from worrying about "DHVs" and evo-psych stuff. Honest to God you don't need much to bang girls these days...just a decent haircut, some well-fithing clothes, something resembling an apartment and an interesting story. I don't think of "low value" girls rejecting me as a bad thing anymore. They willingly took themselves out of the running and didn't waste my time. If only every girl were that polite.

[Hazaer]

(05-05-2016 09:08 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

There are lots of ways to do this....


b) She doesn't like attention
If she's shy, you can wait for her to get some semi isolation from the group and either
- eye code her - look her in the eye, and do a head jerk like you want her to break off from the group



WIA

If she is just there with a friend or two, I dont think she can get away that easily. What can you do then?

[Dusty]