[TheDuncan]

Thanks again guys, will update later in the week.

Im gettin that bang.

[TheDuncan]

"If she says, "How can you want to be with someone when you're going away soon?" Respond with something like, "How can I sit by, deny my feelings, and not act on them!!??" "How can I not want to be as close as I can possibly be to such a beautiful woman?" "I may not even be alive two months from now!" Hahaha....and all the rest of that romantic shit they love to hear."

Lmao how did I miss this post! Funny thing is I am leaving to the military so I can use that to my advantage.

[PapayaTapper]

No No No! For fucks sakes NO!

Keep your mouth shut. If she asks you anything ignore the questions. (You need to read up on "shit tests") Ignore, pivot redirect.

Not once since high school have I had a chick in my bed that I didn't fuck, get blown by or at the very least get a hand job. Not once

If a chick is in your bed you have comfort and perhaps attraction established (saying the wrong thing is the easiest way to kill the attraction...so don't say shit...romantic shit especially)

Comfort+attraction+ arousal=bang

Until you get more experienced and your verbal game polished stick to getting her aroused by doing the physical stuff (touching, kissing, ear nibbling). I dont mean to sound harsh but it IS your mouth thats cockblocking you.

Pay close attention to her cues( breathing and any sounds she might make) to gauge what's working...do that and keep escalating

If she resists and wont let you take her clothes then go "virgin game" on her, (I posted it several times but cant seem to find the step by step I wrote) Basically if she wont let you take her clothes of then...well she cant stop you from taking yours off. Pull out you stiffy (while continuing the making out) and put her hand on it and make her stroke it. Most of the time she will get aroused and either blow you, bang you or very least tug job you.

Chicks like to fuck just a smuch as we do. They just need to be aroused properly (ie not turned off by guy saying stupid shit). She doesn't give a shit if youre leaving in a couple months...trust me

Again dont say anything about what your intentions are...your meat puppet will thank you

[TheDuncan]

So whats the proper verbal game?

[PapayaTapper]

(05-09-2016 06:35 AM)TheDuncan Wrote:  

So whats the proper verbal game?

Proper pre-1st-bang verbal game is essentially just sexualizing the conversation indirectly. If I could sum it up it succinctly it would be: Getting her to think about sex in general and sex with you without saying you're thinking about sex with her...though she knows that you are

It's really a combination of what you say, when you say it and how you say it.

-3rd party innuendo

Examples

"See that girl over there? I can tell by the way she dances that she's terrible in bed"

"See that couple over there? I can tell that they just started having sex"

"See that girl sipping her drink over there? They way she's sucking on that straw I can tell she hasn't had sex / gotten fucked/ had an orgasm in a while/ gives bad blow jobs"

Each of these are calibrated to the particular girl, situation, and where we are in the arousal sequence

-Eye contact
Hold strong eye contact when talking to her. Make HER break and look away first.

When she's talking alternate between her eyes and looking at her lips as they move. (When I look at her lips / mouth I imagine them on my meatsicle. I don't say it...but they know )

Strong eye contact is critical to verbal

-"Innocent touching"
This is basic
I try to never sit across a table from a girl on a date..always next to at the bar or sofa. I make sure that from time to time our legs touch: just for a second first, then with increasing frequency and duration. By the end of the date our legs should remain in contact.

If she's wearing a ring, watch, or bracelet grab it and say " Hey that's a cool ring/ watch/ bracelet. What's the story?"

Same thing with a necklace. Run a finger under the necklace touching her collar bones...asking questions about it

Earrings..same thing

Verbal game really amounts to planting sexual seeds in her mind while fertilizing them with just the right amount of the physical...the degree of directness has to be customized to the girl and the circumstance

[Rhyme or Reason]

(05-08-2016 02:16 PM)Onto Wrote:  

If you still want to bang her, then be friends with her. Do that for the first couple visits. She'll probably try to tempt you to see if you're "sincere" in your friendship. Resist the first time, but then go for it when she tempts you again.

Tell her there is nothing wrong with two people who are attracted to each other to express affection and enjoy the intimacy we are born for. Life is short, blah, blah, blah, and all the rest. Say all this while you're close to her, touching her arm, hair, etc, You know the drill.

I wouldn't say, "I'm not like the other guys". Instead I would concentrate on how it's ok to express affection through intimacy. Appeal to her inner YOLO (You only live once).

If she says, "How can you want to be with someone when you're going away soon?" Respond with something like, "How can I sit by, deny my feelings, and not act on them!!??" "How can I not want to be as close as I can possibly be to such a beautiful woman?" "I may not even be alive two months from now!" Hahaha....and all the rest of that romantic shit they love to hear.

I just became re-virginized by reading this.

[TheDuncan]

Thanks papaya for the advice, I saw her yesterday and kept it friendly, havent text her today though and she is posting all sorts of stuff on facebook about how she isnt hitting up anyone because of no one hits her up blah blah.

lol

Thinking about going cold then hitting her up thursday when shes off when we were supposed to hang out (cuddle in her mind..)

[crudeloyalist]

All of this is way too much effort for one girl. Unless you actually have feelings for her? I bet you do. It's more than just the bang isn't it. Be honest with yourself. You're too emotionally invested. You're setting yourself up for disappointment.

Somebody said in a different thread that many of these what-to-do-next problems can be alleviated by just approaching more girls and having more options. I think is was WestIndianArchie.

Go get some more girls into your rotation.

[PapayaTapper]

(05-09-2016 02:07 PM)TheDuncan Wrote:  

Thanks papaya for the advice, I saw her yesterday and kept it friendly, havent text her today though and she is posting all sorts of stuff on facebook about how she isnt hitting up anyone because of no one hits her up blah blah.

lol

Thinking about going cold then hitting her up thursday when shes off when we were supposed to hang out (cuddle in her mind..)

If she's already scheduled to come over then yeah...dont contact her at all. She's coming over...leave it alone. Instead spend this time hitting up/ on other chicks

This is "sales 101"..As soon as they agree to the sale (or particular step in the sales process)...shut up...all you can do is "unsell" it....aka blow the sale. "Closing" the sale is you jizzing in or on her

Make sense?

Once she's in bed with you dont "say" anything. Just start with some light touching on arms and legs (I like to lightly touch the back of the leg at the knee...this is a highly erogenous zone for most chicks but one that hardly ever gets played)

Pay attention to her breathing.... That's how you'll know if it's working.

If she's sufficiently aroused (turned on) you shouldn't need to say anything...its all about doing.

...but for pete's sake dont "ask" if youre ging to get the pussy

Make out, +more petting,+ stripping,+fingering (skip this if you don't know how to finger properly), + oral, + bang= happy nutsack

Play on

[Onto]

(05-09-2016 11:16 AM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

(05-08-2016 02:16 PM)Onto Wrote:  

If you still want to bang her, then be friends with her. Do that for the first couple visits. She'll probably try to tempt you to see if you're "sincere" in your friendship. Resist the first time, but then go for it when she tempts you again.

Tell her there is nothing wrong with two people who are attracted to each other to express affection and enjoy the intimacy we are born for. Life is short, blah, blah, blah, and all the rest. Say all this while you're close to her, touching her arm, hair, etc, You know the drill.

I wouldn't say, "I'm not like the other guys". Instead I would concentrate on how it's ok to express affection through intimacy. Appeal to her inner YOLO (You only live once).

If she says, "How can you want to be with someone when you're going away soon?" Respond with something like, "How can I sit by, deny my feelings, and not act on them!!??" "How can I not want to be as close as I can possibly be to such a beautiful woman?" "I may not even be alive two months from now!" Hahaha....and all the rest of that romantic shit they love to hear.

I just became re-virginized by reading this.

I don't understand what you mean. I'm guessing you're saying it's bad advice?

Maybe if I clarified some more. What I outlined above isn't what you do on a first approach of trying to bang her. Duncan is already past that.

Instead it's an approach to re-engage what might seem like a lost cause. First you put up some distance and act friendly but not interested in anything more. She'll sense it and try to pull you in. Don't give in on the first attempt, she won't respect you if you do, but when she tries again then pull her in and go for it again. The purpose of using distance is partly to make her feel the loss but also because distance is masculine and she'll naturally be attracted to that and want to break it down.

If she goes into the same line of BS that she did before then sweet talk her and swat away all her objections with romantic YOLO shit until she caves. From what Duncan said, it seemed like he never did that before. It was more cocky-type/ignore game. Maybe that works in some situations and with some girls, but it doesn't seem to be with this 35 yr old MILF so a change in tactics might help.

If no one has ever had to do any of that to get laid before than great for them, and I'm not saying it's the only way to handle his current situation, but it's worked for me in the past. Though that was a long time ago. Maybe I'm just to old and that approach worked on a different generation of women.

[Rhyme or Reason]

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I don't understand what you mean. I'm guessing you're saying it's bad advice?

Yes.

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What I outlined above isn't what you do on a first approach of trying to bang her. Duncan is already past that.

He hasn't banged her. How is he past anything other than 50 yards deep into the hopeful beta orbiter zone?

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The purpose of using distance is partly to make her feel the loss but also because distance is masculine and she'll naturally be attracted to that and want to break it down

I agree that push / pull works but fail to see how your advice illustrates that.

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If she goes into the same line of BS that she did before then sweet talk her and swat away all her objections with romantic YOLO shit until she caves.

My experience (and that of others on the forum) is not consistent with "romantic yolo shit" winning women over.

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From what Duncan said, it seemed like he never did that before. It was more cocky-type game. Maybe that works in some situations and with some girls, but it doesn't seem to be with this 35 yr old MILF so a change in tactics might help.

He has failed thusfar because of lack of congruence; I can smell his loss of frame control from here. There is little doubt she (accurately) sees his frame as weak. Asshole game works. Believe me. The OP and other newbs are guilty of wearing the mask of game rather than being the game. I know that probably sounds corny but it's true, women know who is confident and who isn't. They know when you're fronting. This is why he's gotten nowhere with her. Whether or not he has game isn't even the point...she has perceived him to lack game and that's what matters.

[Onto]

^Thanks for the detailed explanation. It was more informative than the previous one-line remark.

I guess all I can say is just because something hasn't worked for you in your experience doesn't mean it hasn't and can't work for others.

[TheDuncan]

Red pillage I see your points and agree with what you are saying, I am still learning game and at times I have shown to get back to some beta tendencies when things dont go my way, I hate this aspect of myself, I can control it most of the time but when I get drunk sometimes I have a mix of being an asshole and a beta at the same time, hence why last time I was being an ass but then talked about my "feelings" to her.

Thats why I feel like I royally screwed up here l had no frame control, what I am asking is, what can I do now?

[PapayaTapper]

(05-09-2016 04:42 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

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I don't understand what you mean. I'm guessing you're saying it's bad advice?

Yes.

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What I outlined above isn't what you do on a first approach of trying to bang her. Duncan is already past that.

He hasn't banged her. How is he past anything other than 50 yards deep into the hopeful beta orbiter zone?

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The purpose of using distance is partly to make her feel the loss but also because distance is masculine and she'll naturally be attracted to that and want to break it down

I agree that push / pull works but fail to see how your advice illustrates that.

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If she goes into the same line of BS that she did before then sweet talk her and swat away all her objections with romantic YOLO shit until she caves.

My experience (and that of others on the forum) is not consistent with "romantic yolo shit" winning women over.

Quote:

From what Duncan said, it seemed like he never did that before. It was more cocky-type game. Maybe that works in some situations and with some girls, but it doesn't seem to be with this 35 yr old MILF so a change in tactics might help.

He has failed thusfar because of lack of congruence; I can smell his loss of frame control from here. There is little doubt she (accurately) sees his frame as weak. Asshole game works. Believe me. The OP and other newbs are guilty of wearing the mask of game rather than being the game. I know that probably sounds corny but it's true, women know who is confident and who isn't. They know when you're fronting. This is why he's gotten nowhere with her. Whether or not he has game isn't even the point...she has perceived him to lack game and that's what matters.

Word

[PapayaTapper]

(05-09-2016 04:49 PM)Onto Wrote:  

^Thanks for the detailed explanation. It was more informative than the previous one-line remark.

I guess all I can say is just because something hasn't worked for you in your experience doesn't mean it hasn't and can't work for others.

You're absolutely right. There are no guarantees in any of this and we do know that nothing works every time on every girl in every situation...if so nobody would do anything other than that.

Moreover, all of us are trying to make assessments based on the very very limited info that OP (or any other) provides in a post.

That said we early on pretty much established that OP essentially snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. If you have a girl in your bed and are making out youre almost home...it's "dont fuck up" game time.

By his own admission, and as far I can tell, it was his own drunk supplication and emotional exposition that turned her off.

I can only conclude that doubling down on that approach will only yield double failure and frustration.

It's been my experience over the years that "saying" the wrong thing is way worse than "doing" the wrong thing

It's also been my experience that pre bang romantic talk is always the wrong thing. That's just my 2 cents tho

[Rhyme or Reason]

@Onto

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^Thanks for the detailed explanation. It was more informative than the previous one-line remark.

I guess all I can say is just because something hasn't worked for you in your experience doesn't mean it hasn't and can't work for others.

Absolutely, there is nothing wrong with trying out new strategies. However it does not mean you should abandon the core tenets. Depending on what stage you're in, more beta strategies can be employed but never pre bang, ever.

@ Duncan

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Thats why I feel like I royally screwed up here l had no frame control, what I am asking is, what can I do now?

Get out there and approach. One of the most important game lessons that you can learn is to move on. Know when an interaction is fucked. Look in the rearview, learn to say to yourself "It's fucked, and I fucked it". Don't beat yourself up by any means but accept the fact that your time is a valuable non-renewable resource and you are best served by investing that precious resource into something that has a better chance of paying off. It's always, always, always a better use of your time (again, your most valuable resource) to start a new interaction than salvage one that's been fucked. The more interactions you fuck up, the more you can reflect on it with a clear head and learn from your mistakes.

It pays off in more ways than one. First off, you don't waste as much time. Second, believe it or not, you gain confidence by walking away. Third, you put out the vibe of being a high value man by being willing to walk at the drop of a hat. It doesn't mean make a scene, it doesn't mean be spiteful. It simply means you know where you stand, what you are (and are not) willing to tolerate, and act accordingly. I bolded the last bit for a reason; all the talk in the world means nothing if you're not willing to take action. To reference my above post, women can tell when you're fronting.

In many ways, learning to walk is the only lesson that really matters in game. If you can master that, most everything else will fall into place naturally.

[TheDuncan]

Got it guys, I will put all the advice to good use, it may not seem like it from these posts but today I worked out, handled some work business, and did some things that needed to be done for myself and I felt awesome, especially after the workout, it wasnt until I was bored and hit up facebook and my mind went into overthinking mode.

I guess one final question, can this be un done? Like someone said if she sees me as weak then I may have already lost.

[PapayaTapper]

(05-09-2016 05:31 PM)TheDuncan Wrote:  

I guess one final question, can this be un done? Like someone said if she sees me as weak then I may have already lost.

Yes...absolutely it can. Go fuck another girl and I guarantee that this one will give you another chance. If it doesn't work the first time keep fucking new ones until she does. This will absolutely work...I promise

[TheDuncan]

So an update, right before left town I fucked another girl the day before, and any other girl on my mind dissapeared for that moment, I saw the milf before I left, I admit I made out with her the day I left and text her a few times out here but when I go back tomorrow I plan to focus on the girl that will actually fuck, what Im gonna do is be cool with the milf (I have to see her anyway), she wants to be friends? Then cool lets be friends, I'll play that game.

I talked to an older friend yesterday, he was a major player (still gets tons of ass while married) and he told gave me some advice, same that you guys gave, he said;

1.Learn to walk away from any woman, NEVER lower yourself and waste your time with a girl that does not want you, if you can do that your value goes up and women see that, they will go after you.

2.If she aint fucking you, shes fucking someone else, simple as that and always assume that.

3.Only one way to get over any girl...fuck another one.

He says his biggest lesson when young was wasting time with girls, he stuck around with girls that didnt want him and that he talked too much, there is nothing to talk about, your feelings? Lol.

With that being said I wont lie to you guys, I got pussy ready for me any time when I get back but I DO still want this milf, I guess I am stuck on her for some reason but I cant let it get too me, I have to keep the mentality of ME being the prize, if you dont want me NEXT.

Papaya in regards to your last post, do I make sure she knows Im fucking some other chick?

[TheDuncan]

Mission Acomplished.

Same day I came back, played it cool and friendly, got some beers later in the night, only me and her on the couch, a lil sweet talk and straight for neck then some rubbing, and next thing you know we having wild sex, it was great.

The sex was great, how should I procced from here on to get more? (I still have that other girl thats dtf anytime)

[PapayaTapper]

(05-21-2016 11:00 AM)TheDuncan Wrote:  

Mission Acomplished.

Same day I came back, played it cool and friendly, got some beers later in the night, only me and her on the couch, a lil sweet talk and straight for neck then some rubbing, and next thing you know we having wild sex, it was great.

The sex was great, how should I procced from here on to get more? (I still have that other girl thats dtf anytime)

Good job. Youve fucked her. But...

You basically keep asking the same question that's been answered by forum members as well as your older player friend..even yourself

You want to know the easiest way to keep fucking her?

Ready?

Don't give a shit if you do or not.

Want to know when you don't give a shit?

Ready?

You'll stop asking how to to keep fucking her

[TheDuncan]

Ok fuck this shit I am done.

Saw her during the day and we went for a walk, she was talking about how she was finally done with her ex and all this other bullshit, went to a bar and she bought a beer for me, by the time we got back I was grabbing her ass and and joking around, all was well.

We started drinking and watched some movie, she started telling me how all I want is sex and that I never be her friend when she doesnt want to fuck, I grabbed her and made out, grabbed her and turned her on to me grabbing her ass and trying to feel her up, she was just not having it, I was a bit buzzed so I may have said some corny lines whicg probably fucked me up to.

In the end I just got up, put on my shoes and asked if she wanted anything from the store, I never came back, went to some other chicks and fucked her.

What the fuck, I have never encourntered THIS, especially after I fucked a girl, isnt it supposed to be easier? Its either MAJOR ASD, shes not that into me (but makes out and lets me feel er up and fuck once), or shes fucking other guys.

[TheDuncan]

What is bothering me the most about this is not so much the fact that I cant fuck her (I already did), its the fact that I know I can again, I "feel" I can again, its right there in front of me but I cant figure this shit out, I cant figure out whats fucking me up, I have went out and fucked other girls like you guys said, I have went cold on her like you guys said and she re initiates, there is a detail that I am fucking up and its not letting me get that lay that is right in front of me.

[kaotic]

Some bitches won't let you fuck after your first bang or then put up massive amounts of LMR and shields because they don't want to be seen as a slut or used as one.

These bitches aren't worth the time or effort.

Move on man.

[TheDuncan]

Yea im done, fuck that shit.

I will still have to see and interact with her on a daily basis so from here on out im gonna be friendly but cold and just be a general asshole (not out of spite, just my way of being with chicks).

Honestly If I found out she fucks with someone else I wouldnt even be mad at this point, back to my aloof asshole self.