[Easy_C]

Also now that I think about it...

We have had ONE really encounter with a female doctor. My wife had a female Army gyno that did her annual checkup and was excellent.

[Atlanta Man]

Doctor here, got my MBBS getting MD in December. Medicine is one of the few fields where as a patient women are pretty equal to men in terms of care, working with women doctors however......

[Nitro]

I've had positive and neutral, possibly negative experiences with both. I prefer women in general though. Just me.

[Mentavious]

Female physician assistants are the worst. I've never met one that wasn't pleasant and didn't have entitlement complex.

I wish more males would get into the field. Very high income for only needing a masters degree.

[The Black Knight]

(04-23-2016 06:54 AM)Mentavious Wrote:  

Female physician assistants are the worst. I've never met one that wasn't pleasant and didn't have entitlement complex.

I wish more males would get into the field. Very high income for only needing a masters degree.

There is a reason a lot of women go into it: it's consider a safe field with relative modest commitment where you don't have to do RN bullshit, get paid solid money, and can defer a lot of responsibility when you don't know anything even though you should.

Vast majority of PAs are white women as well. And the typical American woman, especially white woman, generally has an entitlement complex.

A lot PA's are bad these because many also have no business being in the field to begin with. PA school was designed for seasoned military medics/EMTs originally. And the field was largely filled with men as you would expect, men with real deal no bullshit hands-on medical experience. Now, you have schools that have pathetic clinical/hands-on experience requirements AND don't provide enough training while in school. Dangerous combo.

Of course as a result, the PA's get kicked out to the real world and it's the doctors that have to waste time training them up to not be a liability to themselves or others. Since we are dealing with entitled white women mainly, no one can say no to them for fear of getting hit with a gender discrimination suit. I would take a PA over a NP in a heartbeat in nearly every instance and PAs do have a good role to play in providing a certain level of care (freeing doctors to focus on more complex shit) but like NPs, many PAs become frustrated by their limited control/pay and are constantly pushing for more autonomy despite not being qualified to have it. Par for the course really; a bunch of women demanding more stuff even though they haven't earn it.

Also, the income is not really that great. I wrote up a whole thing on the PA career here: thread-51492...pid1143249

Anyway, any sensible male below a certain age would be FAR better off going to medical school vs PA school in the long run excluding a handful of exceptions.

[KevCapitalist]

From my experience anyone who trusts a jewish doc should re-evaluate. I lost years of my life disabled due to a chain of about 6 of em who bounced me around, ignored prior diagnosis, deliberately prescribed meds which are not to be given to one with that diagnosis(as well as generics of meds I'm known allergic to,) and wildly as far as bedside manor goes "givep up on recovery, here I'll get you a prescription for valium" doesn't go very far. I was <18 at the time and I'm dissapointed to say it took me a year of this to learn to thoroughly research everything your doctor says. Their Talmud deems it a damnable offense for a jew to treat a gentile. These doctors were both men & women.

As per women doctors specifically I've not had a large sample size out of office personal who run testing apparatus. I'd say they are less 'adventerous' in that they prefer simple patients. Then again I don't know many male doctors capable of going beyond what's in the books.

[Gilders]

I had to go to the hospital once for something weird in my upper jaw. Got a female specialist. She said too bad, no way to save that. I thought, screw that! Went for a second opinion somewhere else. Male specialist this time. He said we can try to fix it, but no guarantees. I said let's do it. Happy I did!

[Disco_Volante]

I read somewhere that 55% of all doctors look up 'answers' on the internet on various medical subjects they don't fully know off the top of their head.
Meaning it's basically like a college kid looking up answers.

Many doctors are probably very booksmart people, who learned the books but can't go much beyond that. They follow procedures but that's basically it.

[Fast Eddie]

(04-24-2016 10:09 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

I read somewhere that 55% of all doctors look up 'answers' on the internet on various medical subjects they don't fully know off the top of their head.
Meaning it's basically like a college kid looking up answers.

Many doctors are probably very booksmart people, who learned the books but can't go much beyond that. They follow procedures but that's basically it.

And how is this different from any profession? Do you think the best of the best software engineer at Google never comes across a problem which forces him to consult the vast body of knowledge available on the internet? Being competent is much more related to knowing how things fit together rather than having the entirety of a given field committed to memory, which is anyway impossible.

With medicine in particular, the added value is not in knowing facts but in clinical experience. You can read dermatology texts and stare at the pictures for years, but the moment you get a scary looking skin lesion you'll still be helpless to differentiate between the hundreds of potential things it could be. That ability comes from seeing thousands of patients with these conditions during training and being coached by your mentors until you instinctively zero in on the diagnosis. Of course the diagnosis skills are 10% of the whole thing, with the other 90% consisting of seeing these thousands of patients and following up with them to see how they respond to various treatments until you develop instincts in that, too.

This is no different from sports. You can read about basketball techniques on the internet all you want but you're not going to become useful unless you step foot on the court.

[Fortis]

My dentist was a middle-aged indian woman and she was quite good.

I had 0 complaints. I'm not hard to please as a patient, but I thought she was always friendly, spoke plainly and didn't chastise me for stupid shit that she herself doesn't do.

[Tytalus]

FYI: Men get affirmative action into medical schools, not women.

Biology programs, the most common premed major, are an overage, 60% female. From sources i've read, there are roughly 600 to 700 female applicants to a given med school per 500 male applicants. Girls do much better in school than boys starting in middle school, and the gap is very wide by the University.

[Fast Eddie]

(04-30-2016 02:36 PM)Tytalus Wrote:  

FYI: Men get affirmative action into medical schools, not women.

Biology programs, the most common premed major, are an overage, 60% female. From sources i've read, there are roughly 600 to 700 female applicants to a given med school per 500 male applicants. Girls do much better in school than boys starting in middle school, and the gap is very wide by the University.

I fail to see any logic in this assertion. There are roughly 20 white and asian applicants to medical school for every black applicant. Does that in itself imply white and asians get affirmative action over blacks? Of course not. Your claim is just a total non sequitur.

[Disco_Volante]

(04-30-2016 02:36 PM)Tytalus Wrote:  

FYI: Men get affirmative action into medical schools, not women.

Women are getting the affirmative action, because they work less hours and less years than male doctors.
http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/...tors/?_r=0

Quote:

Today… increasing numbers of doctors — mostly women — decide to work part time or leave the profession. Since 2005 the part-time physician workforce has expanded by 62 percent, according to recent survey data from the American Medical Group Association, with nearly 4 in 10 female doctors between the ages of 35 and 44 reporting in 2010 that they worked part time.

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School isn't the real world, man. Women's value as employees just doesn't measure up to male doctors. This is a large reason for the doctor shortage. Med schools are mandating to take 1/2 women classes, even though they are virtually certain to work less than a male doctor would.

The equality brigade always uses the artificial situation of school to try and prove men and women are equal. School has jackshit to do with the real world.

Doctors work 70+ hours a week for many years, and women can't handle it the way a man can. Getting more biology degrees is cute and all, but using that shit as some sort of metric is a joke. You're also ignoring that any hard degree can be used to get into med school. Engineering and physics majors can go to med school if they take certain life science + MCATS.

[John Michael Kane]

Women shouldn't be entering the Doctor's realm, with few exceptions. It costs an absolute fortune to put someone through medical school. On top of that, as Disco pointed out above, they produce a terrible return on investment in terms of hours worked. We have a really serious shortage of doctors right now, the last thing we need to do is graduate people that will work just a few hours per week. This is why women need to be proactively discriminated against in the work place. With few exceptions, they want the perks of being a man, without putting in the hard work and hours of a man. Wage gap my ass.

[Tytalus]

(05-02-2016 10:13 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 02:36 PM)Tytalus Wrote:  

FYI: Men get affirmative action into medical schools, not women.

Biology programs, the most common premed major, are an overage, 60% female. From sources i've read, there are roughly 600 to 700 female applicants to a given med school per 500 male applicants. Girls do much better in school than boys starting in middle school, and the gap is very wide by the University.

I fail to see any logic in this assertion. There are roughly 20 white and asian applicants to medical school for every black applicant. Does that in itself imply white and asians get affirmative action over blacks? Of course not. Your claim is just a total non sequitur.

You are insisting on being completely ignorant. If med schools went by marks alone, they would be 60 to 70% female, that is how much better, on average, female GPA is than male GPA in university. This is the fault of boys disengaging from the education system by about grade 3. I work in the university system, and helped an institution assess whether they should set up a med school or not. There is a huge, huge problem with our educational institutions and boys.

Doctors themselves have studied the issue, and as Disco_volante said, female doctors work less hours, for fewer years, and are way, way more picky about what specialties they will get, if they specialize at all. Let me tell you, I know male doctors, and "just between me and you" they told me, there were huge problems with letting so many women become doctors. The med schools, run by these male doctors, realize this. They also are a very visible profession and highly prestigious and a favorite target by feminists. They quietly let in a 50/50 male/female cohort every year. 50/50 sounds progressive enough that feminists don't complain about "not enough women entering the field".

I will concede that the affirmative action for men in med school is under the table.

[kaotic]

Had an Indian Dentist check out my teeth today.

Super professional, explained everything simply and easy. She gave me the facts of what I needed to do from now on with my teeth.

Turns out when she was younger she was "becoming too americanized" and her parents took her back to India.

She was probing seeing my background and if I was married lol.


I have no complaints. Obviously I've had only 1 experience, so take it how you may.

[Kid Twist]

(05-02-2016 05:10 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

Women shouldn't be entering the Doctor's realm, with few exceptions. It costs an absolute fortune to put someone through medical school. On top of that, as Disco pointed out above, they produce a terrible return on investment in terms of hours worked. We have a really serious shortage of doctors right now, the last thing we need to do is graduate people that will work just a few hours per week. This is why women need to be proactively discriminated against in the work place. With few exceptions, they want the perks of being a man, without putting in the hard work and hours of a man. Wage gap my ass.

As I've noted before, it's an anti-dowry. How weird is that, when you think of it? When I was in medical school last decade, we talked openly in our Medicine as a Business/Civil service type class (forget what it was called) about how women were 0.7 productive as males.

There's another position in society that really shows you how deranged and deluded the culture is: Women as law enforcement/correction officer/military anything. Just think about how fucking stupid that is on all the different levels. It's the most obvious sign of a culture in decline.

[Fast Eddie]

(05-09-2016 10:51 PM)Tytalus Wrote:  

You are insisting on being completely ignorant. If med schools went by marks alone, they would be 60 to 70% female, that is how much better, on average, female GPA is than male GPA in university. This is the fault of boys disengaging from the education system by about grade 3. I work in the university system, and helped an institution assess whether they should set up a med school or not. There is a huge, huge problem with our educational institutions and boys.

I will concede that the affirmative action for men in med school is under the table.

Bro, you are talking to someone who did pre-med at a large public university where at least a hundred graduates each year go to medical school. These people were my classmates. I know what I'm talking about. And med schools don't go by marks alone, in fact the MCAT (standardized test) is weighed more heavily than GPA and is the true "gatekeeper" for most people. But whatever. Do you know how many seats in medical school there are each year in the whole country? About 18,000 seats, compared to almost 2 million college graduates. Any major can go to medical school so long as they take a handful of weed out classes, biology just happens to be the most popular major.

What are those weed out classes? Chemistry, Physics, and Organic Chemistry. If you think that in those courses girls are the ones busting the curve to be in the top 10% of the class and earn the A that is needed to get to medical school, you are living in a dream world. Girls "excel" in high school and bullshit majors where getting the A means you come to class and turn in your homework, regardless of the quality. I agree, they're good little drones like that. Fortunately for them, 90% of "education" in this country consists of just showing up and being a good little drone, so this is how you get the girrrrl powerrr statistics you cite.

Here is the thing about about weed out classes for med school: your grade is 100% based off of tests. The tests are 100% objective: you crunch the numbers and come out with the answer, which is either right or wrong. Poor little girls don't do well in that setting. They don't "outperform" anyone because you actually have to be good at problem solving to do well. You can't be average but hardworking and outperform the naturally talented in classes where 20% of the result is from work and 80% from innate problem solving ability.

Here is another thing: dudes in pre-med don't goof off like many guys in other majors do. They realize they have to get at least a 3.7GPA to have a realistic shot at a med school spot and go hard from day one. This completely negates the conscientiousness advantage that girls enjoy in education as a whole, which is honestly the only advantage they possess.

Now for some hard data. In your earlier post you claimed the following as "proof" that men enjoy affirmative action:

Quote:

Biology programs, the most common premed major, are an overage, 60% female. From sources i've read, there are roughly 600 to 700 female applicants to a given med school per 500 male applicants.

Even if that were true, it would prove nothing, but the reality is actually opposite to what you claim. I'm not sure what sources you claim to have seen, but there is official data that the AAMC itself.

https://www.aamc.org/download/321442/dat...ablea1.pdf

Here is the upshot:

Applicants to medical school: 54.2% male, 45.8% female
Acceptances to medical school: 52.2% male, 47.8% female

Women get accepted to medical school at a higher rate than men, not a lower one as you claimed. Even if you choose to deny everything I wrote in the first part of my post in regards to men being more qualified anyway, you kind of hoisted yourself by your own petard by insisting that the gender with more acceptances than applicants is receiving affirmative action.

[Rigsby]

(04-14-2016 11:32 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  

My mom is a doctor and my sister is graduating Med-school in 2 years. Half my female friends from HS are in Med-school soon to graduate as well. Just from observation I can tell you that ...

Women can be very good or even better at repetitive, by-the-book and non-creative medical specialties like Diagnostic radiation, Gynecology, Family & Preventative Medicine, Anesthesiology or Optometry.

More dynamic, detail-oriented, artistic, case-by-case basis and skill focused medical professions that require independent thinking & split second decisions are primarily designed for the male brain and I'd never trust a woman in these specialties.

Like Surgery of any sort (Plastic, Cardiovascular,Thoracic, Ophtalmic, Spinal ... ), Emergency medicine, Psychiatry, Internal Med, Orthopedics, Dermatology or Urology.

The guy that put my eyeball and bit of face back together was a man. Total artist. Scientist too, probably. Sri Lankan chap. He did a great job. I can still see out of it. Where as before, I could not.

Long time ago.

But recently, I just got landed with IRT as my dentist. No fucking joke. This guy took one look at how the nurses looked at me, and decided to have a bit of a go. Pure IRT bitter bullshit. He talked down to me like a five year old and rattled around the tools of his trade against my still good teeth.

He might even have been Sri Lankan as well. But he was a bitter little bastard that got his come uppance. I had him.

Got a nice new female dentist after threatening to kick up a fuss. He turned out to be a locum and the dental nurses and receptionists hated him as much as me. He was a pig to them as well.

His replacement - the 'SJD' I called her, to remind myself not to talk about certain 'issues'. That is Social Justice Dentist to you Mr. Can't work it out thicko. :-) I just wasn't sure...

Fuck me, I swear she'd seen my posting history at Roosh. I was really worried. She didn't rattle her sabers in my mouth, but she could have used a bit more elbow grease, when, taking out my rear wisdom tooth, and snapping it off, she said 'sorry, didn't get quite all of it, the rest will grow through in the crack, splitting your gums after they have just healed, and there might even be a bit of pain'. Crikey! Yes, it's me Rigsby! The cloves, the cloves...

(Her playing her Laurence Olivier to my Dustin Hoffman)

The other tooth she filled, the enamel fell of the back of it a week later. Good job I was going for a filling in one of my other teeth as well. Which she accidentally snapped a bit off, her saying: "Ooh sorry, that wasn't supposed to happen". It was as if Little Dark himself had garbed up as a Dentist, also impersonating a female as well, obviously, just to say: "This dentistry is not going in the direction I was hoping for".

Apart from that and her forgetting that she had NOT done a deep clean, it was perfect!

To be fair to her, she was a great relief to have compared to IRT. She was very friendly and not the SJD I had predicted her to be. She just needed someone to practice on - and that mug was me! She will be a bloody great dentist in 5 years time I have no doubt. She had a great bedside manner, and explained procedures in depth, even rapping on a bit of vascular theory with me while I was waiting for my Lignocaine to take hold. We talked about the various benefits of Lignocaine compaired to Cocaine. I told her of big drug deals gone wrong. The time the Colombians were after us. She didn't believe me. ;-)

My last dentist was a German national, another Indian chap. Very very good. Absolutely fantastic attitude, no IRT about him at all. We bantered about in a bit of broken Deutsche (me not him).

It's very hard to get good dentists here in the UK. Before these, I had a Polish dentist who told me he had a 40 percent chance of doing a successful procedure, because he didn't really know what he was doing yet. Loved him too! More than if he hadn't told me. No procedures done that day.

The SJD is a bit of a naughty girl if you ask me. Not pretty, not slim, not overly intelligent, not even particularly good at fixing teeth. But still, that unmistakable little frisson you get in your underpants when someone has their knee on your chest and a fucking 1500 RPM drill half way down your throat! Some people pay good money for that. I got mine on the NHS. So maybe this great country of ours hasn't quite gone to the dogs yet.

Too much information?

Sorry.

But as for the opthalmics Anabasis, I can't argue with you there. Guy got out of bed on a Saturday night at 4am to pick glass out of someone's face and eye that had already prolapsed and made him come a fraction of a millimeter away from having a glass eye.

Hours later, I was fixed up. Blind, but fixed up. I prayed to God every day, every single day after that, for my eyesight to come back. I asked him if it would. And he said: " ".

But it did. It came back. Perfect. 20/20 even. That good. From being totally blind. It took six months, but it happened. I have him and him alone to thank for doing that.

I also had a very bad experience with a female nurse who was supposed to be helping me, but ended up abusing me. But I've gone on too long as usual.

[Chetthebaker]

I had a few surgeries over the last couple years. One thing my surgeon discussed with me and my father (a retired physician) in private was the massive problem in med schools with female residents/interns and political correctness. He basically said the atmosphere is such that you can't tell a female medical professional that they're wrong- like they'll start crying or complain of triggering. So the establishment is starting to pander to this crap.
That said, I've had quite a few older experienced female doctors over the years who've been very competent, but only in certain fields.

[Kid Twist]

I am actually a subspecialist that trained 7 years after med school.
If you are interested, I can easily tell you, even in particular specialties, what the reality is.

[C-Note]

When I was in the military I once got an overseas deployment physical from an attractive Vietnamese army doctor. I was lamely trying to flirt with her so when she told me to drop my pants, I said, "Should we have a chaperone in here?" She stopped and said (not smiling), "Do you need one? I can get one." I smiled and said, "That's ok, if you don't need one I don't." She didn't respond and went on with the treatment.

Probably not a smart thing for me to say right before she grabbed my nuts. At least it didn't make her decide to give me the prostate finger check, deep and hard.