[HankMoody]

Overarching observation:

These girls are very young (about 21), and most of them are already fucked up to being with. Their issues generally stem from having no positive male role models in their life. The profession then turns young girls already predisposed to have issues with men into women who view men as no more than easy money or good sex. They setup burner phones to interact with "clients", who are more than happy to sit around and text all day, and then throw around money in the club. These guys are typically betas, many of whom are bored with their fat wives. At the same time, you have the managers, DJs, and bouncers trying to bang the girls and have relationships with them, which happens. Except the relationships are extremely fucked up and dysfunctional, combined with the fact that strippers generally not commit because they'll lose their customers if it comes out that they have a boyfriend.

Making matters worse, beauty is a fleeting commodity. The older girls get less looks, less money, and less customers - completely unable to compete with the 21 year olds. There's no camaraderie between dancers - only resentment and competition. The goal is simply to find the best customers and keep them. That's why strippers have few actual friends - their relationships are either customers or competition. To the extent they have friends, it's almost always out of necessity (i.e. roommates, male sponsors, etc.). Clubs are a revolving door of women, as there are always a fresh supply hot 21 year olds. Not only do these girls come from unstable home lives, but their employment situation is also extremely unstable.

It's funny, I've always considered myself laissez-faire when it came to sex work. Do whatever you want. Strippers are something to enjoy here and there in moderation when I'm bored. I've never cared to ask how the sausage is made.

What I've observed is that sex work causes a lot of pain for the unsuspecting betas who get caught up in it, and the young women who get thrown to the meat grinder. Did everyone do it to themselves? Absolutely. But that doesn't make it any less painful to watch.

[General Stalin]

(04-03-2016 10:04 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Story:

There is a 500lb guy who met one of the girls in the club. We'll call this girl Star. Our tubby hero fell madly in love with Star. He became Star's sponsor and sends her sugar daddy money each month. They then "dated", which consisted of him taking her out to expensive dinners. When tubby made a move, Star told him that she does not believe in sex before marriage. Star has not banged this guy and he has gotten no play whatsoever. From there, Star told him they could be engaged, but the engagement period had to be at least three years. The money and the fancy dinners keep coming, while tubby gets no sex, probably jerking off each night thinking about consummating his impending marriage.

Recently, Star got knocked up by the DJ. Then she married him and they bought a house using Tubby's money. Unfortunately, a preggo Star is not able to strip, meaning her sole source if income is Tubby. This means she has to find clever ways to conceal both her pregnancy and marriage from him by saying she's on trips or visiting family. For nine months. And the sad thing is apparently he believes it. Then when she gets back, they can talk about their impending "marriage".

Bonus: Star's actual husband knows about all this.

This actually reminds me of a #11 you should have added your list - which you likely know but just didn't think to add:

Strippers are pathological liars. Their 12-hr a day job is to lie to men. Then in their off hours they lie to their regulars and sponsors who call/text them and bring them on "dates."

I'll share with you an embarrassing storing about that dancer I dated.

When we first hooked up, she told me she can't get pregnant. She had an elaborate story about how when she was younger she had an appendectomy that was botched and left her with scar tissue around her uterus making it unable to expand properly so if she ever got pregnant it would just miscarry. Sounded like a far-fetched tale... but being the fool that I am I busted up in those sweet walls for over a year before we broke up.

Remember how I told you she got knocked up by some dude after I dated her? Ended up talking to a mutual friend about it (the one that introduced us in the first place) and she tells me "Yeah she was on birth control the whole time you were with her... you didn't know this?"

This broad, for some completely inexplicable reason, hid the fact that she took birth control pills from me for the entire time I knew her. There were plenty of times where we spent multiple days together and she actually had to "go to the bathroom" to take her pill to hide it from me. What did she have to gain from that?

This same girl told me the cops were keeping tabs on her and parking outside her house because her late-grandfather had ties to some old Boston Irish mob. Turns out her and some other girls at the club were dealing molly and some got busted and she was also suspected so she had some heat.

This same girl hangs out with me one day with hickies on her neck and tries to tell me it's because one of her customers paid her $200 to let him suck on her neck when in reality she was hooking up with the kid who sells her weed. Thats when I broke up with her obviously.

[HankMoody]

(04-03-2016 10:42 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(04-03-2016 10:04 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Story:

There is a 500lb guy who met one of the girls in the club. We'll call this girl Star. Our tubby hero fell madly in love with Star. He became Star's sponsor and sends her sugar daddy money each month. They then "dated", which consisted of him taking her out to expensive dinners. When tubby made a move, Star told him that she does not believe in sex before marriage. Star has not banged this guy and he has gotten no play whatsoever. From there, Star told him they could be engaged, but the engagement period had to be at least three years. The money and the fancy dinners keep coming, while tubby gets no sex, probably jerking off each night thinking about consummating his impending marriage.

Recently, Star got knocked up by the DJ. Then she married him and they bought a house using Tubby's money. Unfortunately, a preggo Star is not able to strip, meaning her sole source if income is Tubby. This means she has to find clever ways to conceal both her pregnancy and marriage from him by saying she's on trips or visiting family. For nine months. And the sad thing is apparently he believes it. Then when she gets back, they can talk about their impending "marriage".

Bonus: Star's actual husband knows about all this.

This actually reminds me of a #11 you should have added your list - which you likely know but just didn't think to add:

Strippers are pathological liars. Their 12-hr a day job is to lie to men. Then in their off hours they lie to their regulars and sponsors who call/text them and bring them on "dates."

I'll share with you an embarrassing storing about that dancer I dated.

When we first hooked up, she told me she can't get pregnant. She had an elaborate story about how when she was younger she had an appendectomy that was botched and left her with scar tissue around her uterus making it unable to expand properly so if she ever got pregnant it would just miscarry. Sounded like a far-fetched tale... but being the fool that I am I busted up in those sweet walls for over a year before we broke up.

Remember how I told you she got knocked up by some dude after I dated her? Ended up talking to a mutual friend about it (the one that introduced us in the first place) and she tells me "Yeah she was on birth control the whole time you were with her... you didn't know this?"

This broad, for some completely inexplicable reason, hid the fact that she took birth control pills from me for the entire time I knew her. There were plenty of times where we spent multiple days together and she actually had to "go to the bathroom" to take her pill to hide it from me. What did she have to gain from that?

This same girl told me the cops were keeping tabs on her and parking outside her house because her late-grandfather had ties to some old Boston Irish mob. Turns out her and some other girls at the club were dealing molly and some got busted and she was also suspected so she had some heat.

This same girl hangs out with me one day with hickies on her neck and tries to tell me it's because one of her customers paid her $200 to let him suck on her neck when in reality she was hooking up with the kid who sells her weed. Thats when I broke up with her obviously.

DUDE, the girl I'm seeing told me the EXACT same thing -that she can't get pregnant for that reason.

However, I insist on wrapping it up. No fucking way I'm risking.

You're absolutely right that they are grade a pathological liars. Even when it comes to the most inane shit.

[General Stalin]

(04-03-2016 10:57 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

DUDE, the girl I'm seeing told me the EXACT same thing -that she can't get pregnant for that reason.

[Avon Barksdale]

So General Stalin and Hank Moody are eskimo brothers

[Vienna]

(04-03-2016 01:30 PM)Avon Barksdale Wrote:  

So General Stalin and Hank Moody are eskimo brothers

Pussy Comrades.

ONT: I remember reading a post by DeliciousTacos. He seemed to have extensive experience dating strippers. Most, if not all strippers, are BPD cases according to him... So the daddy issues and other nefarious shit they have going on is just a symptom of a diseased mind.

Edit: Chance of General Stalin and Hank Moody comparing notes on the girl over PMs right now? Things like this makes me wonder how many guys on the forum are anonymous eskimo brothers

[JacksonRev]

This all rings true.

I lived with a stripper for about a year. I met her normally, didn't find out she was a stripper until after we started fucking. She made more in a night than I made in a month. The good ones are good because they approach and keep it friendly, or as she said, "I'm a psychologist that puts boobs on my clients' faces." Most strippers don't approach well, and don't know how to small talk a client into buying lap dances over and over again. Most of their money is made from a few customers, and the guys that blow massive amounts on a stripper really just want a little female contact and someone to talk to, and for whatever reason won't make the jump to hookers.

She'd go on "dates" with guys all the time. Then she'd say her stomach hurt, and she'd bring the leftovers home to me. Never pay for anything for a stripper. Ever.

The ones that aren't drugged out can be alright girls, but they're going to have a kid or two in tow if they're still stripping past 21-22.

They're all permanently damaged, but you'll learn more red pill truths from banging a stripper than anywhere else. Dick sizes, guys' personality issues, and hot chicks that fail are favorite topics of conversation. That, and strippers are racist as fuck.

Dating a stripper is like going on deployments in the military. I'm glad I did it, and I learned a lot, but I'm not going to do it again unless I'm out of options.

Which lead to the final point, in that strippers are easier to pick up than you'd think. They have high standards from seeing so many men, but so many normal guys will instantly DQ a girl if she's a stripper, so their options are more limited than they'll let on. Just pulling out basic David D cocky and funny game from way back when will go a long way.

[HankMoody]

(04-03-2016 04:35 PM)JacksonRev Wrote:  

This all rings true.

I lived with a stripper for about a year. I met her normally, didn't find out she was a stripper until after we started fucking. She made more in a night than I made in a month. The good ones are good because they approach and keep it friendly, or as she said, "I'm a psychologist that puts boobs on my clients' faces." Most strippers don't approach well, and don't know how to small talk a client into buying lap dances over and over again. Most of their money is made from a few customers, and the guys that blow massive amounts on a stripper really just want a little female contact and someone to talk to, and for whatever reason won't make the jump to hookers.

She'd go on "dates" with guys all the time. Then she'd say her stomach hurt, and she'd bring the leftovers home to me. Never pay for anything for a stripper. Ever.

The ones that aren't drugged out can be alright girls, but they're going to have a kid or two in tow if they're still stripping past 21-22.

They're all permanently damaged, but you'll learn more red pill truths from banging a stripper than anywhere else. Dick sizes, guys' personality issues, and hot chicks that fail are favorite topics of conversation. That, and strippers are racist as fuck.

Dating a stripper is like going on deployments in the military. I'm glad I did it, and I learned a lot, but I'm not going to do it again unless I'm out of options.

Which lead to the final point, in that strippers are easier to pick up than you'd think. They have high standards from seeing so many men, but so many normal guys will instantly DQ a girl if she's a stripper, so they're options are more limited than they'll let on. Just pulling out basic David D cocky and funny game from way back when will go a long way.

Good post.

That's been my take on this. I don't intend to move in with her, but it's an interesting short term option that I'm learning a lot from. Candidly, if I didn't have a relatively high level of game and red pill experience she would probably eat me alive. As I become friends with more of her friends, holy shit... oh the things I know.

This one was interesting because we met in the club. She would text me from time to time about stuff completely unrelated to stripping. I'm always happy to talk about business advice, financial stuff, or answer legal questions. (that goes for anyone). I'd always kept it in the "I'd smash it if the opportunity arose, but I'm not going to actively pursue it" basket... for about a year. I've never shown much of an interest. Then last month she got very aggressive about hanging out ("Let me come to your house and cook you dinner!"), most of which I didn't even respond to.

However, the whole situation has my short term interest piqued, if anything for the novelty of it. The experience has been more red pills truths than all the manosphere stuff I've read combined. I'm intrigued, except for different reasons than I think she thinks.

Now I have something to write about. Ironically, it's also had a positive impact on my reputation as a womanizer. Sex is also really good.

[SlickyBoy]

(04-01-2016 11:14 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

This is a great place to lurk

https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/forum.php

That's good for a few laughs, and insights. Like "no luck on dating sites."

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Re: No luck with guys even on dating sites
Did you choose him and message him first OP, or did he message you first? When I was on there I would usually never respond to guys who messaged me first...that shows they're on too much, they're weird/desperate and actively prowling for sex. You want to look for the (rare) guys who put up a profile but are too busy having a life to constantly be on there...If he doesn't message you back right away, that's a good sign. Also talk to them on the phone and text a lot before you even think about meeting them (at least a few days of just talking). If they try to push for a meetup right away, drop them. If they start talking about sex right away (or without you bringing it up) drop them. Only meet the guys who seem genuinely interested in getting to know you FIRST.

Pretty much validates the game principles elucidated on this forum, time and again. Not sure about the talking on the phone bit though - maybe that girl is an older poster doing it the old school way.

Then there's this, when the OP is asked if she could hide the fact that she's a stripper:

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Nope, I tried hiding it by saying I'm a student. He eventually figures it out since all I wear are Chanel bags.

Uh, no honey - no straight guy is going to notice whether or not you have an expensive hand bag, so that ain't the giveaway that you're a stripper. The tramp stamp, slut heels and fake titties were persuasive, but those blow job skills and drug habits are what confirmed it.

Finally, validation that LA and NYC are some of the best gaming cities in the US:

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It depends where you live. If you live in a major city like NYC or LA, guys don't want to settle down because they can date so many good women at once. If this is your problem, try a medium sized or secondary big city. Otherwise you'd have to date a couple points below you for commitment usually. Like a guy that's either not very attractive, constantly broke or menial job, much much older, or boring as fuck.

[262]

I wonder if some of the girls on the stripper forums are reading this, as some of the guys here are reading them.

[Merenguero]

(04-03-2016 05:33 PM)262 Wrote:  

I wonder if some of the girls on the stripper forums are reading this, as some of the guys here are reading them.

All kinds of girls, including strippers, read this forum all the time.

[SlickyBoy]

delete - double post

[BlueOcean]

(04-01-2016 08:22 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

2. Women in their early 20s will absolutely date guys in their 30s and 40s, particularly if you're good looking. Girls in their 20s don't generally want to date guys in their 20s. A man's prime is 33 - 40.

The problem for a lot of older guys isn't that they're "too old." The problem is that the overwhelming majority just don't look good. Greying & thinning hair, pot bellies, flabby muscles, wrinkled skin, poor fashion sense.

Men do hit the wall - and often pretty hard. As an older guy, if you want to stay in the game, take care yourself. Guys like Tom Cruise, Pierce Brosnan, and Brad Pitt are still sexually desired by younger women because they look good. You're correct that a good looking older guy can do well.

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5. Either be rich and have your shit together or be an unapologetic degenerate (or do what I do and be both). But whatever you do, be interesting. It's the guys in between who get screwed. The insurance salesman, the dentist, the store manager, etc are great, hard working quality dudes but women are like "meh". Bartenders, DJs, real estate developers, lawyers, tattoo artists - those guys all get laid by hot chicks on the regular.

I think a lot of older guys often feel like they need to throw money at women to get laid. While it definitely does work, it can be pretty high maintenance and stressful. It tends to bring out the shrewd and manipulative side of women. They start to see you as a cash register and feel like they can get what they want out of you. Often when rich guys keep mistresses, they end up getting played.

The advantage to having game (ie being an unapologetic degenerate) is that she's less likely to feel like she can push you around. She's also going to see you as an intriguing guy, in contrast to the hordes of rich beta whales who she financially exploits. That generates a more genuine type of attraction to you, in which she feels like she needs to qualify herself to you.

Another advantage is that she's less likely to cheat on you if she respects your game. Rich betas get cheated on constantly by their mistresses.

[ComebackKid]

(04-01-2016 08:22 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

5. Either be rich and have your shit together or be an unapologetic degenerate (or do what I do and be both). But whatever you do, be interesting. It's the guys in between who get screwed. The insurance salesman, the dentist, the store manager, etc are great, hard working quality dudes but women are like "meh". Bartenders, DJs, real estate developers, lawyers, tattoo artists - those guys all get laid by hot chicks on the regular.

What is so appealing about real estate developers?

And lawyers?

[General Stalin]

(04-20-2016 12:29 AM)ComebackKid Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 08:22 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

5. Either be rich and have your shit together or be an unapologetic degenerate (or do what I do and be both). But whatever you do, be interesting. It's the guys in between who get screwed. The insurance salesman, the dentist, the store manager, etc are great, hard working quality dudes but women are like "meh". Bartenders, DJs, real estate developers, lawyers, tattoo artists - those guys all get laid by hot chicks on the regular.

What is so appealing about real estate developers?

And lawyers?

Girl's who know anything about careers and finances know that men who do well in real estate or law are loaded. They may not have badboy/party appeal like the drug dealers, bartenders, musicians, etc. but they have baller and class appeal.

[PapayaTapper]

(04-20-2016 12:29 AM)ComebackKid Wrote:  

(04-01-2016 08:22 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

5. Either be rich and have your shit together or be an unapologetic degenerate (or do what I do and be both). But whatever you do, be interesting. It's the guys in between who get screwed. The insurance salesman, the dentist, the store manager, etc are great, hard working quality dudes but women are like "meh". Bartenders, DJs, real estate developers, lawyers, tattoo artists - those guys all get laid by hot chicks on the regular.

What is so appealing about real estate developers?

It takes big balls to be a real estate developer. Big balls are usually attached to an asshole and paired with a big dick. Pussy is attracted to big balled, big dicked assholes.

They made a movie about it

[XPQ22]

Wouldn't it be easier to just try to date women who look like they could be strippers, but aren't strippers?

Basically to me seems to be like:

"How to date strippers"

<detailed list of horrible negative qualities>

"And that's how to date strippers."

I mean, are they any faster lays than any other girl? All of my lays with girls who looked like they could be sex workers but weren't were pretty fast.

I guess I'm just not being sold on the advantages here very well, other than an ego boost. In my book at least, that's not much of a selling point.

[General Stalin]

A lot of guys want to bang strippers because they are hot and slutty. Want advice on how to go about doing it? Here you go.

The title of the thread isn't "How to marry a stripper."

[C-Note]

(04-20-2016 12:41 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

A lot of guys want to bang strippers because they are hot and slutty. Want advice on how to go about doing it? Here you go.

The title of the thread isn't "How to marry a stripper."

Also, and I know this isn't a factor for many of you, but when you go to a strip club with your buddies, and you've already gotten your stripper flag, you can relax and be aloof because you've "been there done that." Even if you haven't or don't care if you didn't, knowing how stripper game works gives you mastery over the situation when and if you do go to a strip club.

[Kid Twist]

(04-20-2016 12:27 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

Wouldn't it be easier to just try to date women who look like they could be strippers, but aren't strippers?

Basically to me seems to be like:

"How to date strippers"

<detailed list of horrible negative qualities>

"And that's how to date strippers."

I mean, are they any faster lays than any other girl? All of my lays with girls who looked like they could be sex workers but weren't were pretty fast.

I guess I'm just not being sold on the advantages here very well, other than an ego boost. In my book at least, that's not much of a selling point.

LOL, almost all downside, yes.

Especially if you can pull otherwise, it just becomes "a story."

[PapayaTapper]

(04-03-2016 05:38 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(04-03-2016 05:33 PM)262 Wrote:  

I wonder if some of the girls on the stripper forums are reading this, as some of the guys here are reading them.

All kinds of girls, including strippers, read this forum all the time.

[Andre]

A comedian once said....."Ladies when you ask your man what he is thinking and he says nothing. Believe him."
He is texting just to see if you will still fuck him. Not that he wants to get off of his lazy ass to actually come and fuck you but just making sure you are on the hook. We make a lot of money in the cam business based upon that premise. The men are too lazy to actually get off their ass and find a woman but rather pay us to get them off in the comfort of their own home. It always amazes me that a man will spend $300 to watch me masturbate while he jacks off. I thank God that he made men so stupid. Like herding goats.


They generalise men just as we generalise women, and in one way this is good, since when they meet someone like me I will stand out in a positive way. However, I can´t help to feel a bit irritated by this statement. It´s as if she thinks she is winning life by getting used by guys with enough cash in the bank, to undress herself and touch her own body. And she thinks she is holding the upper hand? Come on, what are you going to do when you wrinkle up and your only company will be your two cats called Snuffles and Little Dick?

[XPQ22]

^ If they were geniuses they'd be working at the Princeton Institute for Advanced Study, not taking their clothes off for C notes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

The truly incompetent are pathologically unable to recognize their own incompetence.

[Rhyme or Reason]

(04-20-2016 03:48 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

^ If they were geniuses they'd be working at the Princeton Institute for Advanced Study, not taking their clothes off for C notes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

The truly incompetent are pathologically unable to recognize their own incompetence.

At the end of the day, they are cognizant of their value and utilize it accordingly. Dancing for C notes is easier than working at a think tank. They're way more honest in how they make their living than some feminist quota-filling "nerd gurl" programmer.

[XPQ22]

Hard for me to comment on which trade is necessarily more "honest", as I have little personal experience with either. If all I had in this world were my solid HB8 looks and willingness to mess around with strange men for money, though, probably the first thing I'd do would be to take a bunch of sexy pictures, throw them up on Instagram, acquire followers in wealthy Arab nations, and then get them to fly me there a half-dozen times over a year or so for 20k a pop to be pooped on for a weekend.

Then I'd throw that money in the bank and fuck off. To me, at least, it sounds like that would be far easier and less emotionally damaging in the long run than grinding it out night after night for "not much better than bartender" type money.

Doesn't sound to me like they're even leveraging the value they do have efficiently. Dubai Deuces are truly the Einsteins of the sex-work world.