[ChinUpChestOut]

Hey guys,

Im really against alcohol, not for religious/spiritual reasons but for all of the negatives that come along with it. I never drank in my life nor do I plan on starting to. I know it acts as a lubricant while gaming but thankfully have never needed it.

While I go out I am often bombarded with questions about why I dont drink and even admired for my discipline. Chics shit test me all the time to get me to drink but I never buckle. These shit tests arent the problem.

Game theory states that you bring a girl back home with the excuse to have drinks at your place and continue drinking. While I do have alcohol at home, it is really weird if I just serve them some whisky while I dont drink. Furthermore since I'm only 18 and live with my parents I dont really like bringing random girls home (my dad doesnt like it either). When I used to live abroad I would fuck literally anywhere, malls, outdoors, public pools, change rooms, forests, friends houses, etc, even in -20C degrees LOL. Anyways, those shenanigans started when I was 13, if I get caught doing that shit now I would be in big trouble and girls here arent really down. Im also not in a financial situation to be constantly paying for the love hotels here on a regular basis. I have an office I could take them to but would like to know what excuse to bring them there?

So to recap, how do I close without alcohol and where do I take them?

[griffinmill]

(10-10-2016 11:34 AM)ChinUpChestOut Wrote:  

Im really against alcohol, not for religious/spiritual reasons but for all of the negatives that come along with it. I never drank in my life nor do I plan on starting to. I know it acts as a lubricant while gaming but thankfully have never needed it.

While I go out I am often bombarded with questions about why I dont drink and even admired for my discipline. Chics shit test me all the time to get me to drink but I never buckle. These shit tests arent the problem.

Glad to hear you don't drink. I don't drink either (and just like you, not for religious or spiritual reasons). I'm happy without it and see no reason to start. Alcohol ages you badly too.

When I go out on dates with girls I get bombarded with questions about my lack of drinking too. I'm in the UK where girls are basically alcoholics. I'm not going to lie, it can hurt your game, especially with the younger girls. The problem is, especially with those younger girls, is they expect you to get drunk (or at least very tipsy) with them on the date as this lowers both of your inhibitions and makes rapport much easier. If they're drinking, and they know you're not, they can get very weird about it.

If they shit-test you about it (at the start of the night when you order a Coke or an OJ or whatever), just say you're starting with something non-alcoholic, and may drink later - but you're feeling her out at the minute (said with a smirk). Then just deflect, deflect, deflect.

You can also do the move I've pulled several times: order non-alcoholic beer. Of course, make sure she doesn't see/hear what you're actually ordering so she's not in on the ruse. It looks (and tastes) like real beer. I'm proud of the fact I've never drank alcoholic and don't like hiding it, but I pull this move simply because I cannot be bothered having to deal with their shit-tests, and getting all weird.

You can also be honest about it. Truth is, if they like you enough they probably won't care all that much. It'll still be an issue, but just deflect.

[ChinUpChestOut]

I usually get respect from the girls if i explain why I dont drink, they think its cool and admire my discipline, unless theyve got a little demon inside that needs them to get people fucked up, if thats the case I ditch. Outliers aside, its not the problem in the club/bar. People always talk about plausible deniability when bringing a girl home. What excuses should I use to get them to come? I usually manage them to come and then cant close because my parents are home or they here my little sister crying or some other bullshit. I had a girl over today, shes really into, had some LMR which took me about an hour to overcome. Bout to go into the girl and my parents show up with the baby. Needless to say I didnt get laid tonight. Please help a brother out.

[Mushroom]

I rarely drink alcohol, maybe 5 drinks a year. I've just never been that into it. I know it won't work for everyone buy here's what I do:

1. If the girl asks about drinking, I smirk and tell her that any guy serious about being in shape like me doesn't drink, and doesn't need to get a woman tipsy to sleep with them.

2. The goto that works for me is day game -> instadate (lunch or a snack) -> build sexual tension on the instadate -> ask if she wants to come back to my place to watch a movie.
I'm sounding like a broken record on here bringing up beach game all the time, but it's just too fucking easy for me and I get to really see the girl's body and see what she really looks like with little-to-no makeup. Beach game is easy cause she's there to have fun or relax, isn't in a hurry and being out in the sun and swimming makes you hungry as hell, so it's easy to convince a girl to go grab some good food.
I've found that it's actually easier for me if the girl is with girlfriends, I'll open the whole group and play along with them and build up report. Maybe even try to teach them to surf a little bit.
When it comes time for me to ask out the girl I'm looking for on the instadate, I'll jokingly ask it of the entire group: "what do you girls think about _____ and I going to grab some food, that's ok with everyone right?". I've had a few bitchy responses from the token ugly girl in larger groups, but it's served me really well.

I really build up a lot of sexual tension on the date, and when I ask her to come back to my place to shower (we're coming from the beach after all) and watch a movie, it works 3/4 times. When it does fail, I already knew she was going to say no to the invite based on how she was responding, but I ask anyways. I've been surprised a few times with the girl being more than willing once we got to my place.

I've usually built up enough tension that once we get in the door I just lead her into the shower and start undoing her bathing suit. I just casually talk about anything and everything while I'm doing this, and I hop in the shower with her without even asking. I don't really give her time to think about it, I'm leading her the whole time. I'll make out with her in the shower, but call me crazy -- I don't like shower sex, so I don't even try, I'll tease the hell out of her though.

This is going to sound silly to some of you guys, but the results I get out of it are worth it... When we get out, I give her a shirt. I never ask her to put it on, I just lead her "here, put this on so you'll be more comfortable lounging around while we watch the movie". I've never had a girl turn it down.

While she's still drying her hair or whatever, I'll kiss her neck, grab her all over, make out with her more. Get her really really worked up. And then I go straight Hulkamania on that t-shirt I gave her and literally rip that shit off of her. I did this one time forever ago and the girl was really really into it, and since I've been back in the game the last few months I thought I'd give it a spin again, and man... it sets the tone for some primal fucking and gets her dripping like a waterfall. I know it's a bit theatrical, but it's fun, I just buy cheap $5 packs of shirts.

Almost every girl I've ripped the shirt off of has become a repeat fuck, and they always bring up how turned on it made them. It plays up that rape fantasy they all have but in a way that never makes her feel threatened. I give them a little special snowflake feeling. They think I surely must not do that with every girl I bring home.

[estraudi]

Been years since I've had alcohol as well. Almost 7 years for marijuana too, and I'm now 30.

What line I've used when alcohol/weed comes up is to feign indifference. I usually say " PFFT I haven't drank anything alcoholic in years, nor smoked weed for that matter, as I feel they both served their purpose in that time of my life. Alcohol made me more social albeit with more hangovers yet more talkative and marijuana just plain made me paranoid."

Usually gets a little laugh and at times helps segue into other conversation about them "wanting to quit drinking/smoking too".
Which works for me because I like to let girls do the talking and we all know what's their favorite subject.

So typically they even forget I'm not drinking whilst they continue to do their usual drinking routine. But always be closing. Don't get awkward because you're not drunk either. Still escalate. Nothing changes sober or drunk.

[ChinUpChestOut]

Good responses guys. However the problem im encountering isnt at the bar itself. I have no problem getting over the "why arent you drinking" shit tests. The problem is that game theory advocates for taking the girl for drinks at home. I dont drink, therefore this isnt an option. How do I bring her home with plausible deniability from a bar and segue her home without alcohol.

[torridon747]

(10-13-2016 07:38 PM)ChinUpChestOut Wrote:  

Good responses guys. However the problem im encountering isnt at the bar itself. I have no problem getting over the "why arent you drinking" shit tests. The problem is that game theory advocates for taking the girl for drinks at home. I dont drink, therefore this isnt an option. How do I bring her home with plausible deniability from a bar and segue her home without alcohol.

Drinks are just the go-to carrot on a stick. Use anything else - it might even work a little better. Since going back to your place "for drinks" actually implies you're going to be fucking in this day and age something a little more innocuous might be to your advantage.

Tea, coffee, a sandwitch, show her something, tell her you want her to go back to your house with you so you can do x and bounce somewhere else.

Drinks are the go-to because most people drink and the implication of drinking alone does most of the work for you. Since you're choosing to avoid that you have to have the game to make up for it. Find an excuse to get alone with her and escalate.

[Jagnum]

Should be in the newbie forum.

Tell her you want to show her photos from your trip abroad that you were telling her about. Tell her you want to show her a song you wrote on your guitar. You must have at least one thing cool in your room or on your computer that a girl would be interested in.

Bachelor pad bait is the term for it.

Sounds like the bigger issue though is that you live with your parents and that's a logistics problem.

Maybe focus less on girls for a moment (it's hard to), and more on making money. Enough to rent a small apartment. Or look into going to school and living in an apartment/dorm.

You're obviously doing very well for your age. Most men don't discover game until their mid to late 20s. Sounds like you have time to improve other areas of your life, like your clothes, personality, strength, money-making ability, writing.

[Jagnum]

delete

[WestIndianArchie]

Banging since 13?
Everywhere?
Parents at home?
18?
"Game theory states"

Somethings ain't adding up

WIA

[xmlenigma]

I am glad someone brought this up! Not big on Alcohol..

[Palo_alto]

(10-10-2016 11:34 AM)ChinUpChestOut Wrote:  

Hey guys,

Im really against alcohol, not for religious/spiritual reasons but for all of the negatives that come along with it. I never drank in my life nor do I plan on starting to. I know it acts as a lubricant while gaming but thankfully have never needed it.

While I go out I am often bombarded with questions about why I dont drink and even admired for my discipline. Chics shit test me all the time to get me to drink but I never buckle. These shit tests arent the problem.

Game theory states that you bring a girl back home with the excuse to have drinks at your place and continue drinking. While I do have alcohol at home, it is really weird if I just serve them some whisky while I dont drink. Furthermore since I'm only 18 and live with my parents I dont really like bringing random girls home (my dad doesnt like it either). When I used to live abroad I would fuck literally anywhere, malls, outdoors, public pools, change rooms, forests, friends houses, etc, even in -20C degrees LOL. Anyways, those shenanigans started when I was 13, if I get caught doing that shit now I would be in big trouble and girls here arent really down. Im also not in a financial situation to be constantly paying for the love hotels here on a regular basis. I have an office I could take them to but would like to know what excuse to bring them there?

So to recap, how do I close without alcohol and where do I take them?

You need to get your own place first mate.

[DimeBait]

Well, first you're not old enough to drink (assuming you're in the Sates) so abstaining from something you shouldn't be doing anyway is no feat and shouldn't have to be explained. 2nd, go after women (or girls) who don't drink either. When I was your age, I smashed in cars parked at turn-a-rounds in secluded areas, lol. It's a part of growing up.

[MaceTyrell]

I'd really like to see some more thoughts on the logistics end, specifically about going to the GIRL'S place.

[DimeBait]

Or why not AirBnB that shit. I'm sure there are decent dumps for cheap. Just say it's your uncles spot or something.

[MaceTyrell]

See with AirBnB, you'd have to rent it ahead of time. If I rent an airbnb for the night, hoping to score, and didn't, I'd feel like that was money wasted.

Like are there guys here who just try and get the girl back to her place? As someone who's logistics are about to go to shit for about two years, this is the strategy I'll need to get good at.

[DimeBait]

You'd probably have to focus on older chicks likely to have their own crib then.

[realologist]

The car bang, the dressing room bang, the bathroom stall bang should be things you all experience and be in your list of options. Anywhere semi public should be that risk of getting caught always gets chicks off more than usual.

[GodEmperorTrump]

Ive experienced all the places you've suggested realologist, and think its fun and its great, however you need the right kind of girl for those public bangs. Most women will abstain, even if they want to bang you and wouldve had you been in a private setting. Lets try and help OP out with other suggestions more suitable to his general target market

[realologist]

(09-01-2017 10:21 PM)GodEmperorTrump Wrote:  

Ive experienced all the places you've suggested realologist, and think its fun and its great, however you need the right kind of girl for those public bangs. Most women will abstain, even if they want to bang you and wouldve had you been in a private setting. Lets try and help OP out with other suggestions more suitable to his general target market

He's talking about bad logistics. That's a way to overcome bad logistics and take care of a right now moment. The only other option is to go to her spot.

Now to lure a chick without drinks there a million ways. Food, pictures, view, lotto tickets (paging el mech), video games, etc. I even joked around and asked a girl if she wanted to see my button collection with both of us knowing damn well I don't have that.

Now on the really bad information in your post. The right type of girl. Are you kidding me? You mean 9/10. What odds are you playing. You may not win every time but you can one of these girls ready and rearing to go and you do it right you'll be fucking in one of those places.

[Heart Break Kid]

(09-01-2017 06:03 PM)realologist Wrote:  

The car bang, the dressing room bang, the bathroom stall bang should be things you all experience and be in your list of options. Anywhere semi public should be that risk of getting caught always gets chicks off more than usual.

As a one night stand? I've only done that with girls I've banged before.

[xmlenigma]

What about MINUS the ALCOHOL. How many hook ups have people had where the girl was not liquored up? Or Wined up?

[DimeBait]

(09-12-2017 06:40 AM)xmlenigma Wrote:  

What about MINUS the ALCOHOL. How many hook ups have people had where the girl was not liquored up? Or Wined up?

I won't lie to you brother, it's tough out here gaming & banging sober. I've been sober for 4 years and my bangs have been cut tremendously because I really have to like someone to bang them now. I'm sure its the same for chicks who aren't drinking as well.