[Gas]

I've been reading a lot about the power of sexual desire recently. The idea that everything we do, whether it be lifting weights or building empires, is essentially because we desire sex in the end. If big muscular bodies were not sexually attractive, we wouldn't lift. If women did not desire powerful men, we wouldn't desire power.

Think about a hot girl you're trying to bang. Before you bang her, you're motivated. You'll go to the gym that morning, suit up to the 9s, drive across town to meet her, take her out, run the best game you can, all the driving force of your sexual desire behind you to get to the end goal of getting laid.

Once you bust, you're calm, happy, but unmotivated. You feel like you've won the game and your motivation is gone. You'll probably just want to watch Netflix or go to sleep.

But if we live our lives as the sleeping Netflix guy we achieve nothing. To bust a load every day means we go through this "recharging" period every day, a period of being lazy and unmotivated and satisfied.

If we refrain from orgasm we keep this sexual power inside us, and with some mental fortitude can re-focus this energy towards more valuable pursuits, such as building a business, a chiseled body, writing a book, building an empire.

It doesn't mean you can't bang or jerk off. It doesn't mean you can't orgasm. It just means you can't blow your load.

I'm at the stage of my life now where I'm getting over banging sluts and busting a nut inside a bunch of different 6's isn't motivating anymore. I enjoy sex as much as the next guy, but every new bang requires many hours of approaching and dates and I feel like my time could be spent building bigger things. I see the merit now in a good LTR, but this takes things to the next level.

This is a totally new subject to me that I've only started reading about in the last few days but it all sounds interesting and I'm definitely going to experiment and see if the effects are as great as I hear. Very interested to hear anyone else's experiences and the methods they use to harness this energy and re direct it to other areas of their life. The "orgasm without ejaculation" thing is still odd to me and I feel uncomfortable just thinking about it. If this is something you've mastered, please share.

Some elementary reading on the topic:

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Sex is the driving force that makes a man do anything. All great men of genius and power used their sex drive as fuel. The process of turning sexual energy and aggression into productivity is called:

TRANSMUTATION OF SEXUAL ENERGY

And it is the most powerful tool in existence when it comes to creation, invention, accomplishment, creativity, advancement, and achievement.

Napoleon Hill talked about the Transmutation of Sexual Energy in his ground-breaking book Think and Grow Rich. In the book, Hill noted that all men of genius used their sexual energy as fuel for their creativity. He also noted that Love must be included in the sex relationship.

“Sex, alone, is a mighty urge to action, but it’s forces are like a cyclone-they are often uncontrollable. When the emotion of love begins to mix itself with the emotion of sex, the result is calmness of purpose, poise, accuracy of judgement, and balance.” – Napoleon Hill, Think and Grow Rich

It is common understanding that over-indulgence in drink and drugs lead to ruin but it is uncommon for people to understand that over-indulgence in sex can lead to the same thing. Let that sexual energy build up inside you. Don’t dissipate that energy haphazardly because that energy is sensed by other people and draws them into you like a magnet. Being highly sexed (i.e. having sexual energy) but not giving in to any and all desires is the key to success.

“This orgy of indulgence may account for the shortage of great leaders. No man can avail himself of the forces of his creative imagination, while dissipating them.” – Napoleon Hill, Think and Grow Rich

There is one thing I can guarantee – the most successful men in history have a huge sexual magnetism BUT THEY DO NOT ROUTINELY GIVE IN TO THOSE DESIRES and they never make that desire the goal. They don’t go out on Friday nights looking for some action. They don’t have to, this kind of behavior will bring women to them without any additional effort.

Let me tell you about how I started making money. For years I used to dream and devise money making plans but they failed 100% of the time. I used to think to myself (before I ever read Think and Grow Rich) that guys like Bill Gates, in order for them to make fortunes, had to give up sex and the pursuit of sex in order to make money. I instinctively knew that but I would think to myself “that’s not worth it“. And because I was unwilling to give up that all consuming desire and redirect that energy I never did anything worthwhile. Not until I had a girlfriend that I lived with and I consciously focused ALL that sexual energy into money making energy that I started to make money on my own. At the time I had a full-time professional job. I had a business plan and desire and I quit my job. 30 days later I made twice my old job’s monthly salary with my new business. And I only did it because I focused my sexual energy into something highly productive. It worked and it’s the only thing that works.

Transmutation of sexual energy is the process of turning sexual energy and aggression into fuel for something bigger. Sex is the number one reason we, as men, do anything. It’s always for sex. It is our biology, our DNA. There is nothing wrong with that. But if we want to accomplish something grand, something great, we have to transform our sexual energy into fuel for something else.

-Don’t indiscriminately have sex. That’s what savages do and that’s why they will stay savage. This doesn’t mean you can’t have sex but do not make sex your primary goal.
-Don’t masturbate or watch internet porn frequently. This drains vital energy from you. You can see vast, positive changes in mood, personality and happiness by giving this up. Keeping your seed develops an animal magnetism that draws people to you, constantly spilling that seed repulses people.
-Consciously use your sexual desire and energy and focus it into your business and life plan. Sexual energy is damn near limitless and when re-directed can turn any man into a money making machine.
-Get a good woman who will take care of all your needs (not just sexual) – this will free your mind from having to even think about these things and you can focus completely on your goal at hand. The love and support of a woman is essential for success – most successful men had a good woman behind the scenes.

Sexual energy is the best fuel that exists – use it wisely. Save it up and watch your energy explode (heh).

Full article: https://boldanddetermined.com/how-to-har...al-energy/

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How To Separate Orgasm & Ejaculation?

Ejaculation and orgasm can be separated by contracting the pc muscles (the same you use to hold back pee when you need to go to the bathroom). If you’ve never done this before it’s going to be incredibly awkward during sex.

So this is what I would advice initially;

Solo Practice

Masturbate until just before “the point of no return.” But take your time for it. It’s not about coming but about practice. Masturbation sessions should last about 20 to 30 minutes. Incrementally work towards it.

Here are some tips;

-Be sure to keep your body completely relaxed whilst you do this, don’t tense your body. The more you put tension on your body, the faster you’ll cum.
-Breath slowly. Our degree of arousal is closely link with the speed at which we breath. Try to breath 5 seconds in, hold for two, and breath out for five again.
-If you get close to the point of no return. Stop everything and do 10 full, strong contractions as you were trying to hold in your pee. Let the arousal wane a bit
-Repeat this 15 times. Don’t ejaculate.
-Coconut oil – thank me later.

After a while you’ll be able to surpass the point of no return whilst keeping your pc muscles tightened, stopping the ejaculation but not the orgasm. As a result your penis will stay hard, won’t be extremely sensitive and you won’t have the refractory period (recovery period).

Basically, you’re good to go again.

Eventually, you’ll be able to do this during sex which will give you much more satisfaction, make you feel more energized and hornier than ever.

More driven imo.

Additionally, you’re able to remain hard and orgasm multiple times (my record is 6 solo, three during sex #TMI). Your girl will be able to get multiple orgasms too, since you can last (almost) indefinitely, which makes her more confident, perform better and happier.

And who doesn’t love seeing their girl enjoy herself?

Best of both worlds eh?

Sex Practice

By training your pc muscles during solo practice you’ll incrementally get better at controlling and restraining your ejaculation to the point you can last indefinitely. You can practice solo as a warm-up for “the real thing”.

During sex, when you get close to the point of no return, use what is called “locking the gate”

-Stop thrusting, hold your breath, squueze your pc muscles tightly and retreat (so only your tip is inside your girl).
-Take a deep breath and hold it, then do 10 rapid, strong contractions of your pc muscles, anal sphincter and your glutes.
-Clench your teeth, press tongue against roof of mouth
-Straighten your neck and back
-Clench fists
-Exhale after contractions (repeat cycle if necessary)

Just talk about it with your girl that you would like to “try something new.”

By preserving your semen and opting for dry orgasms (good) over spludge orgasms (bad) you’ll get the following benefits;

You can have multiple orgasms
She can have multiple orgasms
You don’t have energy/motivation drains from ejaculations
You can last indefinitely (almost at least)
You feel more driven (that’s what I’ve noticed)
It increases testosterone (study)
Other noted benefits, courtesy of reddit

Essence

Less ejaculations = more energy and desire to do shit.

Don’t waste your precious seed in front of a stupid screen but go out and get a grip on life (and not your dick). In the end it’s definitely worth a shot, even if you think it’s not going to do much good.

Also: You need a creative exhaust for your sexual energy to be channeled into something more productive: a company, a passion, a blog or a project you’re working on. Otherwise it will find lesser ways of release.

Men are builders – so you should be building shit.

Here’s what you do, even if you’re not that into it;

Try it for 30 days using my 30-day Challenge Calendar and see if you don’t notice any improvements. My recommendations;

-Don’t masturbate nor watch porn at all for 30 days.
-Practice the solo dry orgasms through masturbating x amounts of days for 30 days.
-Practice the sex dry orgasms with your girl (but don’t ejaculate) for 30 days

Full article: http://www.basicgrowth.com/harnessing-tr...al-energy/

[Beyond Borders]

In before the wad.

[TooFineAPoint]

I have a (very informed about general health, food, fitness, economics) friend who claims that excessive orgasms are draining. He also claims that withholding (tantra) will contribute to prostate problems. So his ideal is sex a few times a week for mental health, satisfaction, bonding, and release.

I fuck my girl 1-2 times per day. He tells me this is excessive. But that I am too young (I am turning 35 next month) to see the results of this yet. The results he predicts are premature aging and loss of energy/motivation. As to premature aging, I am often told I look in my mid-late twenties.

For what it's worth, I feel very motivated after sex. I go out and get my shit done. If schedules conflict and I don't fuck in a 24 hour period, I am antsy and dissatisfied in general.

However, this is within a LTR where we live together. So I don't have the thrill of the hunt, nor do I have the energy expenditure to get laid like OP described. If I had to outlay that much planning and effort nearly every time I fucked, I would probably need a longer re-charge period that would involve some down time.

I have tried tantric sex, and have fucked while withholding orgasm (never had an orgasm without cumming). So sometimes I fuck for a few days, then allow release. I have noticed this resulted in more vigorous sexual energy and more intense erections, but the trade-off is a bit more post-sex stress (I am still buzzing and horny)... although much less than if I got no sex at all. Orgasms are mildly more intense once I allow them.

I suggest OP start experimenting with small steps, like withholding for a fuck or two. If that produces positive results then follow the path. But semen is coming out eventually, one way or another, so holding it in constantly seems more like superstition than anything.

It also depends on your sex drive. If you are satisfied with sex every few days, you can probably get away with longer periods between cumming.

[Gas]

Orgasm without coming just seems too unnatural. I'll need to read more about it.

Although I will be experimenting with edging and refraining from reaching orgasm during sex. I've also been on no porn/no fap so these two goals are somewhat congruent. I haven't blown a load in about two weeks and I do notice a difference. You feel antsy but if you try and redirect that energy towards something else such as the gym or some personal venture you can see results.

I hear a good starting point is to only ejaculate two to three times per month. I'll start there.

[Off The Reservation]

[PhDre]

(03-26-2016 04:10 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  

I have a (very informed about general health, food, fitness, economics) friend who claims that excessive orgasms are draining. He also claims that withholding (tantra) will contribute to prostate problems. So his ideal is sex a few times a week for mental health, satisfaction, bonding, and release.

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So sometimes I fuck for a few days, then allow release. I have noticed this resulted in more vigorous sexual energy and more intense erections, but the trade-off is a bit more post-sex stress (I am still buzzing and horny)... although much less than if I got no sex at all. Orgasms are mildly more intense once I allow them.

I suggest OP start experimenting with small steps, like withholding for a fuck or two. If that produces positive results then follow the path. But semen is coming out eventually, one way or another, so holding it in constantly seems more like superstition than anything.

It also depends on your sex drive. If you are satisfied with sex every few days, you can probably get away with longer periods between cumming.

This is good advice.
I believe there are serious benefits to limiting your amount of ejaculations.

Ejaculation requires a rollercoaster of hormones and neurotransmitters.
- a big norepinephrine spike is needed for ejaculation
- oxytocin and prolactin strongly increase after ejaculation
- FSH and spermatogenesis increase after ejaculation, thereby reducing free testosterone
All of these hormones and neurotransmitters need to be made by your body, a process that requires energy and nutrients.

So ejaculating too often can exhaust you in multiple ways:
- the upstream basic building blocks (minerals, amino acids, …) get depleted and all the bodily functions that depend on them deteriorate
- the downstream hormones and neurotransmitters cannot be made quickly enough and get depleted
- receptors get desensitized because they get flooded too often by the ejaculation effects

The only reason why mainstream doctors continue to state that you can ejaculate as much as you want without harming your body is because the studies they rely on only measured total testosterone levels after ejaculation (and these remain fairly constant).

As with many health related subjects, the observations made by traditional Chinese medicine (TCM) are fairly correct. Unfortunately they did not have the knowledge to explain these effects so they made up theories about yin, yang, qi, meridians etcetera.
And now the reasoning of science-based medicine is:
Explanation of TCM makes no sense -> observation of TCM makes no sense.
Which is indeed a logical fallacy, yet one that is often employed to dismiss the observations and results from alternative branches of medicine.

Thus yes, there are benefits to limiting your amount of ejaculations.
However, you should never completely avoid ejaculation.

How often can you do it?
I think I read somewhere:
- early 20’s: 4-5 times a week
- late 20’s: 2-3 times a week
- 30’s: 1-2 times a week
- 40’s: once a week

Still it will vary from person to person and even then it will depend on your stress level, how well rested you are, the season. If you really start paying attention to your body, you will feel when you need to release and when you should hold back.

[TheOllam]

I think this is the golden ratio right here for most guys:

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How often can you do it?
I think I read somewhere:
- early 20’s: 4-5 times a week
- late 20’s: 2-3 times a week
- 30’s: 1-2 times a week
- 40’s: once a week

Too much science will confuse some men, but they know if they bust on this schedule, everything else in life seems alright

[TooFineAPoint]

Awesome feedback and info, PhDre!

Do you have any knowledge for how often females should orgasm?

Based on the way their bodies work I would imagine there is no drawback to multiple daily orgasms, but it would be interesting to know if TCM has any light to shed on this.

[Gas]

(03-28-2016 08:21 PM)TheOllam Wrote:  

I think this is the golden ratio right here for most guys:

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How often can you do it?
I think I read somewhere:
- early 20’s: 4-5 times a week
- late 20’s: 2-3 times a week
- 30’s: 1-2 times a week
- 40’s: once a week

Too much science will confuse some men, but they know if they bust on this schedule, everything else in life seems alright

These numbers seem high. I don't even think it'll be a challenge. I was thinking more in the range of 2-3 per month. Is this an estimate of the minimum or the optimal?

[PhDre]

^I think it's rather an estimate of the maximum ejaculation frequency.

For your reference, I'm in my late 20's and I prefer to blow 1 time a week.
Less than once and I feel like my sex drive gets down regulated.
More than once or twice and I feel more fatigued, lower (sex) drive etc...
My hormones aren't perfect (I've got ed) so someone who's in better shape might prefer more often.

I think one of the best indicators is if you get spontaneous erections during the day or erections simply through fantasizing. If yes, you're good to go.
If you need to touch yourself, look at your naked girlfriend or even look at porn to get hard, you're better of keeping it in.

[PhDre]

(03-28-2016 10:18 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  

Do you have any knowledge for how often females should orgasm?

Based on the way their bodies work I would imagine there is no drawback to multiple daily orgasms, but it would be interesting to know if TCM has any light to shed on this.

I know nearly nothing about female physiology and I could not find a conclusive answer online. Some texts suggest that orgasm is just as draining for the woman as it is for the man while others say that the woman should orgasm as much as possible.

They don't have the upregulated spermatogenesis, which requires a lot of nutrients and testosterone, after orgasm, so it makes sense that they can orgasm more often.

If you search online, you will find that many men who masturbate/ejaculate excessively eventually encounter the same problems: weak or infrequent erections or even full dysfunction, weak orgasms, premature ejaculation, pc muscle spasms, low semen volume, fatigue,...
These negative changes are probably due to lower free T, lower dopamine, higher norepinephrine, zinc and B vitamin deficiency and maybe also decreases in MSH or ACTH (anecdotal) and an increase in inflammatory compounds.

In my experience, women who orgasm often can reach orgasm easier, orgasm harder, are hornier and have higher energy. My girlfriends have never had problems with multiple orgasms a day.

But still, their bodies need to make the pussy juice and orgasm is a hormonal and neurological rollercoaster for them as well (probably far more than for us given the intensity of their orgasms) so probably they also have an upper limit; it is only far higher than ours.

[Hannibal]

Semen has a number of trace minerals in it, so it stands to reason that if your diet sucks, jizzing too many times in a week is going to have some kind of an effect over time.

This is why I take vitamins and supplements. Few people know this, but there are minerals (like magnesium) that have been depleted from the Earth through hundreds and thousands of years of farming, so those trace minerals don't get into your already genetically modified sources of food.

Certain countries with shitty farming practices or poor soil will also have a higher prevalence of guys with low testosterone and shitty hormonal profiles. I'm not surprised the concept of holding in your ejaculate comes from non Western cultures, where diets look practically vegetarian compared to mine and the topsoil has been fucked five ways to Friday for thousands of years.

I'd look into your own diet and lifestyle factors. Getting off once a day is far from excessive. Man, unlike most animals, is designed to fuck at a moments notice. This would be like saying you can't spend more than three hours in the gym every week or you'll risk overtraining, or that standing on your feet all day every day would kill you.

There are other benefits of learning how to hold it in, like being able to fuck for hours without a condom. As far as demotivation from getting off, I suppose it depends on the guy (all other things being equal).

[Seth_Rose]

(03-29-2016 04:22 AM)Gas Wrote:  

(03-28-2016 08:21 PM)TheOllam Wrote:  

I think this is the golden ratio right here for most guys:

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How often can you do it?
I think I read somewhere:
- early 20’s: 4-5 times a week
- late 20’s: 2-3 times a week
- 30’s: 1-2 times a week
- 40’s: once a week

Too much science will confuse some men, but they know if they bust on this schedule, everything else in life seems alright

These numbers seem high. I don't even think it'll be a challenge. I was thinking more in the range of 2-3 per month. Is this an estimate of the minimum or the optimal?

They seem pretty reasonable to me--I haven't been able to track them down.

The problem with a lot of guys is that they artificially trick their minds into believing they need to ejaculate more often than they need to. With an abundance of pornography online, and sexual partners, many guys see no problem getting off 1+ times per day. I used to, then I realized it was overkill as I was chasing a dopamine release, not necessarily a physiological need to release.

I think it's essential to listen to your body, it will tell you when it needs to release. For me it's 2-3 times a week.

[PhDre]

(03-29-2016 12:01 PM)Hannibal Wrote:  

Semen has a number of trace minerals in it, so it stands to reason that if your diet sucks, jizzing too many times in a week is going to have some kind of an effect over time.

This is why I take vitamins and supplements. Few people know this, but there are minerals (like magnesium) that have been depleted from the Earth through hundreds and thousands of years of farming, so those trace minerals don't get into your already genetically modified sources of food.

Certain countries with shitty farming practices or poor soil will also have a higher prevalence of guys with low testosterone and shitty hormonal profiles. I'm not surprised the concept of holding in your ejaculate comes from non Western cultures, where diets look practically vegetarian compared to mine and the topsoil has been fucked five ways to Friday for thousands of years.

I'd look into your own diet and lifestyle factors. Getting off once a day is far from excessive. Man, unlike most animals, is designed to fuck at a moments notice. This would be like saying you can't spend more than three hours in the gym every week or you'll risk overtraining, or that standing on your feet all day every day would kill you.

There are other benefits of learning how to hold it in, like being able to fuck for hours without a condom. As far as demotivation from getting off, I suppose it depends on the guy (all other things being equal).

Hannibal, I agree with the connection you make between diet (vitamins, minerals,...) and testosterone levels.

However, ejaculation is more than simply releasing semen and sperm (which require nutrients and T to be manufactured). It also produces changes in your dopamine/norepinephrine levels and ratio, maybe accompanied by changes in other neurotransmitters, lipids and hormones that have not been readily quantified. These changes do not deplete your nutrients; your cns, hypothalamus and pituitary simply choose to manufacture one compound over another. In general, the compounds released upon orgasm will shift your body into a passive, relaxed state but when overdone this can become an inflamed, catabolic state - irrespective of how great your diet is (although I agree it will happen faster on a shitty diet).

All of this of course depends on your personal physiology. If you can blow once a day without any drawbacks, that's great for you! Enjoy it.

[Rendőrség]

I totally understand this concept of "redirecting sexual energy"..I think it's a point that every man must walk in their lives.

What do I mean? Most of men we need to live a "golden era of pussy"...I mean..a period in which we get laid so much that we get tired of futile and meaningless sex with girls with not so important emotional connection...

Just imagine all the time that lot of guys spend chasing girls(day game/night game/online), and then the time used for dates...etc etc etc..all that time and energy could be spent in learning new hobbies, building businesses...that's the point with this concept of "harnessing your sexual energy".

I've lived it myself...Nowadays I'm 24 and I've a notch count of 40 girls...I got tired of chasing sex and girls with no special connection...Instead of chasing girls just for the shake of chasing them and the "urge of sex" I prefer to use my time reading, meeting with interesting people with aligned and positive values, working out hard and building my business.

I think It's part a process every man must go through..If a couple of years ago someone would have told me "hey kid getting laid it's not a big deal and it's in fact a futile and meaningless thing in fact" I wouldn't have understood anything..because I was into this getting laid stuff..

as uncle Roosh told..dont eat if you're not hungry haha

http://www.rooshv.com/do-not-eat-if-youre-not-hungry