[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Tim Cook will fold when FBI offers to hunt down and imprison some "homophobic bloggers" in return

[LongDongSilver]

The terrorism crap is a farce, most of the ones they indict are dumbshits who wouldn't plan anything on their own but are goaded into talking big by informants/rats.


Just another pointless public "debate" to distract and confuse the masses while passing unconstitutional laws, similar to gay marriage.

[eatthishomie]

(02-17-2016 03:42 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Tim Cook will fold when FBI offers to hunt down and imprison some "homophobic bloggers" in return

Either that or he'll wake up one day facing 50+ mysterious 30 year old rape accusations.

[Mr. Wolf]

With each passing day I want more and more just to ditch the smartphone and dig up my old flip-phone.

Insecure -- Secure

[kaotic]

Wolf I literally had that thought in my head just a minute ago, but we rely on so much shit on our iPhone that it'd be hard.

Plus the support for that tech isn't there, burner phones are what I'm looking at.

[The Beast1]

(02-17-2016 04:16 PM)Mr. Wolf Wrote:  

With each passing day I want more and more just to ditch the smartphone and dig up my old flip-phone.

Insecure -- Secure

<snipped image>

That older Motorola flip phone won't even work any more in most of the western world

[Stimulus]

Well, are there still people that believe governments around the globe don't already have acces to, lets say, ALL of what you do while using the internet?

Ever been in an Apple store for some problems with you iDevice? I've been there. The hooked up my iPhone and they were able to check about everything I ever done with it. Apps I deleted over a year ago? All info was still there. Numer of times used, crashed, total time of use, login fails, everything. Not to mention Apple is the mother of all controlfreaks, yet still losing the battle vs whizkids finding and exploiting those backdoors in order to run a Jailbreak.

And that is just Apple. Don't forget about Facebook and all of it's other apps like Whatsapp, Instagram, etc. Then there's the apps and websites people login to using that same FB account. Ever wondered how facebook keeps spamming 'friend suggestions' of girls you have no relationship with trough FB (no mutual friends etc) whatsoever, other then you got her number via Tinder and moved the convo to whatsapp?

I've always been reluctant to add my phone number to FB. A few weeks ago I got this banner when opening FB saying: "Hello Stimulus, we think your phone number is XXZZ (my number alright), would you like to confirm this phone number and link it to your account?" I clicked 'no', but it doesn't matter anyway.

Windows 10 sending data to their servers about what you are doing while using their OS non-stop.

Google tracking everything you do unless you uncheck some boxes.

Gosh, at some services it's impossible to even create an e-mail account without entering your phone number in order to receive some shitty 'confirmation text'.

[DJ-Matt]

(02-17-2016 04:16 PM)Mr. Wolf Wrote:  

With each passing day I want more and more just to ditch the smartphone and dig up my old flip-phone.

Insecure -- Secure

There's nothing more un-secure than an old analog cellular phone, anyone could hear your conversation with a cheap 800mhz scanner. Also same goes for the old analog cordless phones. You're not really guaranteed voice privacy on digital CDMA or GSM phones either. Both the cellular carrier and your device need to have it switched on for the conversation data to be encrypted, that's how those "Stingray" devices can spy on you by faking a cell tower.

If you're really paranoid it's possible to see those debug variables during a call to see if it's encrypted or you're connected through a Stingray box.

Quote:

Voice privacy of IS-95 CDMA is provided by means of the long code mask.The long code mask is not transmitted through any channel, it is constructedby the base station and the mobile station. To recover the long code sequence,the eavesdropper may exhaustively search the 42-bit long code mask, with atime complexity of O(2 42 ). This attack is viable but is hard to implement inreal time. Alternatively, it can be shown that the long code sequence can also be recovered if the eavesdropper can obtain 42 bits of plaintext-ciphertext pairs.As there are many mobile stations transmitting simultaneously on the tra cchannel and each mobile station only transmits approximately 3 minutes onthe average, it is rather di cult to obtain 42 bits of the plaintext message.

Also from what I've read Microsoft has also refused to build a backdoor for the feds into BitLocker, the disk encryption built into Windows 7 and up, so you're safe there for now.

[Mr. Wolf]

(02-17-2016 05:24 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  

(02-17-2016 04:16 PM)Mr. Wolf Wrote:  

With each passing day I want more and more just to ditch the smartphone and dig up my old flip-phone.

Insecure -- Secure

There's nothing more un-secure than an old analog cellular phone, anyone could hear your conversation with a cheap 800mhz scanner. Also same goes for the old analog cordless phones. You're not really guaranteed voice privacy on digital CDMA or GSM phones either. Both the cellular carrier and your device need to have it switched on for the conversation data to be encrypted, that's how those "Stingray" devices can spy on you by faking a cell tower.


Also from what I've read Microsoft has also refused to build a backdoor for the feds into BitLocker, the disk encryption built into Windows 7 and up, so you're safe there for now.

Yeah, I hear ya. It was really just a luddite backlash attempt at humor. What really bothers me is the fact that Google is actively listening to everything within earshot of your phone, at all times. That's how the "OK Google ..." voice search functionality works. I should sit down and figure out how to disable that. Siri is probably similar.

[Foolsgo1d]

I wonder if George Orwell ever envisioned a device small enough to fit in your pocket, which captures HD images and video, connecting most humans on the planet in a sociopath narcissistic social media network jerk-a-thon, allows tracking of data and renders many of its users unable to function without it ona day to day basis.

Oh and the government can use it to track you.

[Mr. Wolf]

(02-17-2016 05:36 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

I wonder if George Orwell ever envisioned a device small enough to fit in your pocket, which captures HD images and video, connecting most humans on the planet in a sociopath narcissistic social media network jerk-a-thon, allows tracking of data and renders many of its users unable to function without it ona day to day basis.

Oh and the government can use it to track you.

Yeah, and if Orwell had written that people would spend big money to get one, and actually take pride in their having one, no one would have believed him. Would have been totally unbelievable, yet here we are.

[Bill Brasky]

The cynic within me sees this as a marketing tactic. "You see, we totally respect privacy we don't even cave to FBI/CIA/NSA APPLE=PRIVACY."

Apple is likely putting up a bit of a staged fight which has inevitably drawn publicity but will ultimately comply.

Not that I have any issue with breaking into a phone of people that have ALREADY committed a terrorist act resulting in several deaths.

[Cattle Rustler]

Did someone just use he word "gosh"?

[DamienCasanova]

For anyone that values their privacy I recommend taking a look at this company's products

https://www.silentcircle.com/

They have software and apps you can download for your phone to encrypt all calls and texts, and they even make their own smartphone that has it's own private OS with all the secure encryptions on it and has no backdoor built into it.

[RIslander]

(02-17-2016 03:40 PM)eatthishomie Wrote:  

(02-17-2016 12:38 PM)RIslander Wrote:  

I don't give a shit about the privacy of terrorists.

"First they came for the communists..."

I honestly don't give two shits about the FBI tracking data. They're not listening to your calls and reading your texts about the married MILF you banged last week. It's just macro analysis of massive amounts of contacts between users, so they can identify trends and identify subversion or terrorism.

Im a law abiding American, it doesn't affect me.

[Ice]

(02-17-2016 06:19 PM)RIslander Wrote:  

I honestly don't give two shits about the FBI tracking data.

..

Im a law abiding American, it doesn't affect me.

It doesn't affect you ..

Well you're on RVF .. that's a pro-rape organisation now ..

[RIslander]

(02-17-2016 07:51 PM)Ice Wrote:  

(02-17-2016 06:19 PM)RIslander Wrote:  

I honestly don't give two shits about the FBI tracking data.

..

Im a law abiding American, it doesn't affect me.

It doesn't affect you ..

Well you're on RVF .. that's a pro-rape organisation now ..

According to morons in shitty countries like Canada. And hordes of fat feminists in other countries that no one respects. I'm not losing sleep over it.

[eatthishomie]

(02-17-2016 06:19 PM)RIslander Wrote:  

(02-17-2016 03:40 PM)eatthishomie Wrote:  

(02-17-2016 12:38 PM)RIslander Wrote:  

I don't give a shit about the privacy of terrorists.

"First they came for the communists..."

I honestly don't give two shits about the FBI tracking data. They're not listening to your calls and reading your texts about the married MILF you banged last week. It's just macro analysis of massive amounts of contacts between users, so they can identify trends and identify subversion or terrorism.

Im a law abiding American, it doesn't affect me.

Wait until having normal testosterone levels becomes illegal, aka DEFCOCK 1.

[El Chinito loco]

To be honest I thought this was already a thing apple was doing for the U.S. government.

There were rumors years ago that various foreign intel agencies (China most notably) restricted their employees from carrying smartphones particularly iphones anywhere close to meetings or during operations.

The iphone really is a big giant bugging device. It can record loc in passive mode and i'm sure the mic and video can easily be triggered on/off remotely.

The safest thing to have is a late 90's flip with a burner sim if you're really paranoid about spying.

[JacksonRev]

Apple and Tim Cook aren't doing this because they care about actual human beings, just look at their sourcing component factories. They're doing it to protect from lawsuits. Apple has outsourced so much to China that any back door will be immediately used by the Chinese to steal everyone's info, and unlike OPM, Apple's users can sue.

Plus, once the back door gets to the FBI, Israel will be able to steal the info as well. So you have two countries that look at the US as a piggy bank to be robbed, with one even having the legal team to steal Apple's war chest from the coming lawsuits. Good spin by Timmy to play the empathy card though.

[EvanWilson]

The FBI is not asking for a backdoor to be programmed in. (That wouldn't work here since the iPhone is already programmed and locked.)

The FBI is asking Apple to develop a program or method to unlock one specific iPhone so they can get the contents, and already have a valid warrant for the search. Apple could develop a new iOS that would connect to one of the ports and get the information, and not be used unless there is a valid search warrant. Also, they would need to have the iPhone to connect to. My understanding is that this iOS solution would not work over the internet.

I believe that the FBI is in the right here, and constitutional. While the FBI will have to pay expenses to develop the program, Apple is going to need to comply with the court order.

As an example of why I think Apple needs to comply with this valid search warrant, lets assume that instead of being data on a iPhone, it was documents in a safe deposit box at a bank. The FBI gets a search warrant for the safe deposit box and its contents, but the bank refuses to allow the FBI into the vault, claiming that if they did so it would endanger the privacy of their customers because of the possibility that they could someday search other boxes with the tool.

Now, in the hypothetical of the safe deposit box, would anyone think that the bank had the right or duty to refuse to obey a valid search warrant on these grounds? I would put it to you that the answer is no. The argument that the government could use the tool (key for the safe deposit box or program for the iphone) to access anyone's content is possible in both situations, but in the safe deposit box, no one would argue or expect that the bank would have the right/duty to prevent the box from being searched.

Apple is acting like they somehow are exempt from complying with valid court orders because it is something that involves their technology so they should get a 'pass' on valid and constitutional court orders.

I expect that while Tim Cook and Apple may whine for a while, that it will escalate to the point that they will need to comply.

[MKDAWUSS]

You mean they don't have hackers who can just access the damn thing without permission?

[EvanWilson]

(02-17-2016 11:20 PM)MKDAWUSS Wrote:  

You mean they don't have hackers who can just access the damn thing without permission?

Apparently not.

The FBI needs Apple to develop a modified iOS (Apple iPad/iPhone operating system) and directly connect to the phones USB port to bypass the lock code. I expect it will take some time to develop the program but looks like it is the only way to get around the lock code at the moment.

Apple is also objecting on the ground that once they develop the program (modified iOS) that it will somehow 'get out there' and usable by anyone to break iPhones. Of course, the real problem, and only way that could happen is if they have terrible security and/or their employees betray them, both of which could be prevented or fixed.

[weambulance]

(02-17-2016 11:07 PM)EvanWilson Wrote:  

The FBI is not asking for a backdoor to be programmed in. (That wouldn't work here since the iPhone is already programmed and locked.)

The FBI is asking Apple to develop a program or method to unlock one specific iPhone so they can get the contents, and already have a valid warrant for the search. Apple could develop a new iOS that would connect to one of the ports and get the information, and not be used unless there is a valid search warrant. Also, they would need to have the iPhone to connect to. My understanding is that this iOS solution would not work over the internet.

In the real world, the FBI would use their new toy to access every iPhone they got their hands on and make up reasons for a warrant after the fact for any phone they found interesting stuff on.

[EvanWilson]

(02-17-2016 11:30 PM)weambulance Wrote:  

(02-17-2016 11:07 PM)EvanWilson Wrote:  

The FBI is not asking for a backdoor to be programmed in. (That wouldn't work here since the iPhone is already programmed and locked.)

The FBI is asking Apple to develop a program or method to unlock one specific iPhone so they can get the contents, and already have a valid warrant for the search. Apple could develop a new iOS that would connect to one of the ports and get the information, and not be used unless there is a valid search warrant. Also, they would need to have the iPhone to connect to. My understanding is that this iOS solution would not work over the internet.

In the real world, the FBI would use their new toy to access every iPhone they got their hands on and make up reasons for a warrant after the fact for any phone they found interesting stuff on.

In my comparison of a safe deposit box at a bank, no one worries or is concerned that the FBI is going around looking in safe deposit boxes without warrants and without anyone knowing. The problem is why is an iPhone somehow treated as deserving a higher level of protection or even exclusion from valid court issued search warrants and ever being searched?

Apples current view seems to be that anything in an iPhone can never, ever be search for any reason, and valid court issued search warrants should be ignored. Is that what an iPhone is for? A place to put data and documents, or ways to plan crimes and no one can ever search them, i.e. iPhones are exempt from all court issued search warrants?