[Adrenaline]

Now I don't consider myself a newbie. I swallowed the red pill a couple of years ago and have a lot of game knowledge, just haven't mastered putting it to practice yet. Never the less, this seems like a newbie type issue so thought the newbie forum would be the best place to look for advice.

I'm having a lot of trouble keeping girl's attention. Hear me out here...

I barely have to do any work to create attraction as I get many clear IOI's and often get approached in bars/clubs and I'm very good at running night game and building an initial connection with a girl. I've walked away from many leads in the past thinking that the bang was a sure thing when I isolate her on another meeting because she was just THAT keen. The reason I'm concerned is what happens after that. If I don't get the bang on the same night, which is often difficult where I live due to tight social circles and girls not wanting to be slut shamed, I usually never end up seeing these girls again. The girls do a complete 180 when I contact them a couple of days later, either by acting like they're not even interested anymore or replying to my initial message but then ignoring my reply to that message. The latter has happened a lot lately for whatever reason, but if she doesn't reply to a message I have a rule that I won't message them again unless they contact me first. It completely baffles me and I have no idea why it happens. They don't even give me a chance to fuck up with poor game so that can't be it.

I live in Australia, so that definitely doesn't help with all the options any decent looking female has here. Could it be as simple as the girl having 50 guys messaging her at once? Maybe, but I like to think I make a strong enough connection with most of these girls to at least be at the front of the line (yes I said line. Things are that bad here). Then again, this never happens to me overseas.

I'm extremely confused and have no idea where to go from here as I feel game can't even save me if I fail to get the same night lay, due to the girls having a short attention span and not even giving me a chance. I would like to further relationships with some of these girls past the night of meeting, but it just feels impossible at the moment.

Thoughts/suggestions?

[Zerdame]

Just my 2 cents worth, take what you need.

In short, yes you're right, there are probably 50 guys texting her right now. Most of them beta guys with every other quality out there except game. This could be social status, money etc. You're not getting her attention despite you thinking you locked her down with a supposed connection. Problem with that is that everything you've talked about is based on assumption. You THINK you have a connection. Shes probably had a connection with another 20 dudes she talked to after you that night. You mention you run night game at bars/clubs. Numbers don't translate to dates as much during the night. You say SNLs are not possible because of the tight social circle you live in. Any girl that goes out to a bar or a club on a friday or saturday night is down to have some fun. If as you claimed, you have indeed made some sort of connection with them, they should be down to progress at least a little with you. Even something like a location swap to another bar/club, they would have done it if you had asked. Question is, did you?

Most guys don't go out in the night and aim for numbers, thats like the last thing you go for if she's not down to do anything that night and that speaks alot on her interest in you honestly. If you're only free to run night game then you should be pushing for more than numbers or you're just not going to get anywhere.

As to why you do better overseas, there are a myriad of factors from which country you went to, wealth of citizens of said country and also foreigner attraction etc but generally, guys do better overseas.

My experience in Japan was such. Some stats on me, I am 21 years old, Asian, with fluency in multiple languages including Japanese. However, when I was in Japan, I deliberately toned down on my Japanese to increase foreigner attraction/appeal. Japan was good for me because I could give them the 'best of both worlds', English and Japanese. Unfortunately, in our respective home countries, we lose that advantage. That's why guys normally do better abroad.

My advice would be to aim for more than just numbers when you run night game. You obviously are working it for the bangs and not the LTR so push for the bang on the same night. Settle only for number close if you can't get more. You're in the game for a few years now so newbie mistakes on opening don't seem to your problem, you're hanging pretty tight there just have to push it alittle more. Cheers bro.

[Phoenix]

I've been having a similar problem recently, partly because I've been having a bout of the dontgivashits, and partly cos I've been meeting a run of girls who are either timewasters or just actual slow girls.

I think it's just tension. Going for a first date lay with a girl who isn't going to go for that, tends to destroy all tension. You had the initial tension of "this is a new interesting guy and it could go somewhere", and you extinguished it. The corrective action I would suggest (which I'll be doing more of myself), would be work on producing more "mystery", tension, or drama in the date. Kindling the tension, instead of trying to rush mediocre tension to a lay. She should feel more intrigued at the end, so she thinks of you and "wants to see more". I'm probably going to go back and revise some material on this, as I've let this skill atrophy a bit.

[RatInTheWoods]

It's a tough hunting ground Australia...

There's loads of fit dudes on the juice, and hitting the gym, and they are all fighting over the 10% of chicks that aren't fat or miserable bitches.

Just keep fighting mate.