[jariel]

WARNING: This Post Contains Movie Spoilers

It has become my opinion that the Game as I have come to know it has reached a rather tenuous place. When most men talk about it, it usually has to do with women, and since it has to do with women, the topics at hand tend to revolve around procuring sex from them.

Most of the "players" operating within this dog-eat-dog world are at-best, injured, and at-worst, skilless. Procuring sex, as natural as such a desire is, regardless of gender, should be of their least concerns.

This edition of Real Talk Sessions will shed some light on why that should be the case.


The Opening Credits
Creed is the latest installment of the Rocky franchise, starring Michael B. Jordan, who is poised to become the next Denzel Washington, as Donny Johnson aka Adonis Creed, and Sylvester Stallone, who reprises his role as Rocky.

Creed embodies the spirit of the past installments that served as the foundation for this storied franchise. It tells the story of an unknown who's dedicated to reaching his goals, finding love along the way, and winning in the end, even if the scorecard indicates otherwise.

Fans of the franchise and critics of the movie industry both seem to be in agreement that this installment was nothing but a winner. After having the chance to view it recently, I am in complete agreement that this movie is a must-see, as it teaches a number of life lessons that today's men need to learn quicker than quick.


Lesson #1: Make A Decision, Go All In


As the product of an affair between Apollo Creed and his deceased mother, Donny Johnson spends his childhood in and out of group homes and Juvenile Hall. He is ultimately raised by Creed's widow, Mary Anne. As a result, he ends up growing up privileged, presumably graduates from college, and finds himself working at a securities firm where he has just received a promotion.

In his heart though, Donny is a fighter, not a corporate man.

In the picture above, he is tendering his letter of resignation to his boss. 12 hours earlier, he had just won his 15th fight in a hole in the wall boxing gym somewhere in Tijuana, Mexico. He thanks his boss for everything, and then goes home to tell Mary Anne, who he views as his mother, the news.

The lesson from this turn of events was simply that, when you are faced with having to make a decision, whether it is about your career, your relationship, whatever it is, make a decision, and go all in.

At no point does Donny question his decision, and it does not matter to him what anyone says, including Mary Anne, he is going to see his decision to become a professional boxer to the end.


Lesson #2: Accept That You're Going To Get Knocked Down Sometimes


Anyone who has ever had any level of boxing training will tell you that they had to accept the fact that they were going to get hit. I am talking about real boxing, not boxercise. It is an exercise in futility to step into the ring against an opponent and think that you are not going to have to take a punch. However, it is not just about taking a punch, it is about how you respond to taking a punch.

When we go out into the world and face our own challenges, everything does not always go as planned. We stumble, but we continue on. We fall, but we have to get back up, and continue on.

As you can tell from the picture above, Donny had just got ass his kicked after running his mouth off at a gym. But in getting his ass kicked, it made him realize that he was going to have to take his training seriously. He may have had a natural talent, but he needed to be trained to reach the level of success he desired.


Lesson #3: Take Advantage of Meeting Women Through Proximity

Donny is ready to take his game to the next level, so he trades the mansion he grew up in and the other comforts of his life in Los Angeles for a shitty apartment and a starting from the bottom boxing career in Philadelphia.
His apartment seems to get better though, as he meets Bianca, who lives below him, who predictably becomes the love interest of his tale. While it may predictable, the reality remains that proximity is the way that most people get together.

Obviously, it is not the only way; plenty of us have approached people as strangers, and suddenly found ourselves as important parts of their lives, but the outliers do not change the fact that most people will find their boyfriends, girlfriends, husbands, and wives through typical channels such as school, work, neighborhood, mutual friends, etc in what is known as Convenience Game.

In the scene above, Donny does not attempt to hook up with Bianca, he is just simply on some cool shit as a neighbor who is new in town, and would like to grab a bite to eat somewhere.

That does not mean that he was not interested from jump street, of course he was, but when the girl you are interested in is your neighbor, you do not have to run your game from 0 to 100 real quick. Here he is just surveying the land. If she is not willing to have a bite to eat with him, then he does not have much of a reason to figure that she would be down for anything else.

Notice that his approach is absent of any thirst because at this point, he is not really going for anything; he is just trying to get some time with her so he can fully introduce himself to her and give her the opportunity to do the same, if she wants to -- also notice the guy who wishes Donny luck, other dudes have put their bid in previously, but he's the one who actually got a shot.


Lesson #4: Find A Girl Who Has Something Poppin’


Donny’s interest in Bianca began after he found out she was an independent recording artist. As a result, she does not have a lot of idol free time – notice how when they go out to get something to eat, she tells him she only has an hour -- she has concerts to prepare for, and she is constantly holed up in her apartment writing and producing her own music.
It is important for a man to have a girl who has something poppin’ for herself.

Most of you guys are constantly dealing with females who are losers; they do not have anything going on other than you. A woman who does not have anything meaningful in her life that demands her focus and attention, will instead turn her focus and attention towards occupying your life with her bullshit.

In a good relationship, you will have your own life, she will have her own life, and you two will share a life together.

In a bad relationship, only one of you has a life, while the other is fixated on -- and insecure about -- the relationship, or both of you are losers so all you have is each other -- those are the worst relationships because they do not have any growth potential.

Donny and Bianca had the foundation for a good relationship. They were both individuals hungry for their own success, and since they understood each other's positions, they could evade stepping on each other's toes while still being there to support each other.


Lesson #5: You Are Your Only Opponent

In this scene, Rocky imparts some real talk on Donny, by explaining to him that in the ring, he is only fighting against himself.

People beat themselves all the time by giving up before they even try.

Chances are you have done it as well.

You have seen an attractive woman before, told yourself you wanted to talk to her, but then started making a million excuses as to why you should not.

“She probably has a boyfriend.”
“She probably only dates rich guys.”
“She probably doesn’t like Black men.”

All that bullshit you tell yourself, so you do not actually allow the girl to tell you “No”, you tell yourself “No”, for her. In the end, you are only cheating yourself. One thing that I hate in life is wondering later, “What if?”

What if you had gone to that job interview.
What if you had asked that girl out.
What if you had moved to the other side of country right after graduation.

People are afraid of losing, and yet they complain about how they never win.


Lesson #6: Know When To Make A Move

There is an art to knowing when to make a move on a woman, and anyone who tells you otherwise is just lying. Sometimes guys make the move too soon, or they make the move when it is too late, either way they end up striking out. In Donny’s case, he hit a home run.

He has already had dinner with Bianca, and now instead of just talking to him at the door, and then closing it on him when they are done, she invites him to come inside of her place.

After some playful banter, which helps build up the rapport between the two of them even further, they find themselves lying on the floor, while listening to one of her instrumentals.

It is then when he goes for the kiss, and she responds in kind.

Making a move is less about waiting exactly for the right time and moment; it is more about recognizing that you can because your move would be welcomed.


Lesson #7: Eat Crow When Necessary, But Still Maintain Frame

Shortly after winning a local fight, the fact that Donny is Apollo Creed’s son comes to light. Bianca is mad when she finds out because she does not like the fact that he did not confide in her that fact. It makes her wonder what else he has kept from her. Donny actually cares about her, so he runs her down, tells her why he kept the information to himself, but assures her that he will keep her in the loop from now on.

Let’s bring some maturity here into the game.

You have a lot of these so-called game/relationship advisers, and you know who they are, they run into discussions about guys and the girls they are dating, and they will give them this, “Fuck her then, abundance mentality!” bullshit.

Look, when a girl matters to you, and you make a mistake, you do not just say fuck it and let her dip out of your life. Most of these advisers are used to dealing with women they do not want anyway, so they are telling you how you should respond because that is how they would respond to someone they do not really care about.

Fuck that noise.

There’s nothing “beta” about caring for a woman.
There’s nothing “beta” about loving her.
There’s nothing “beta” about admitting you made a mistake and apologizing for it.

In typical female fashion, Bianca tries to take it too far, and after being given the opportunity to ask more questions, she asks Donny about the number of girls he has fucked, and Donny wisely curves the question and turns it into a fun-loving moment, maintaining frame in the process.

Sometimes you are going to make mistakes with women. Sometimes you are going to have to apologize or say what you have to say to communicate to women that you still want them on your team.

There is a right way to do that, and a wrong way to do that.

Hold yourself accountable for when you fuck up, assure her in the moment, you still want what you two have, but in the process do not completely kowtow to unrealistic demands and grovel for her approval.

When you play the game in that fashion, you are showing and proving to be the type of man that she wants and needs in her life.


Lesson #8: Winners Ask “How?”

As we discussed previously in Lesson #5, people often talk themselves out of the game before the game even begins.

In the scene above, Donny goes to talk to Rocky about the title fight opportunity they have been presented with. To start the conversation, Donny poses the question, “If we do this, how do we get it done?”

That is how winners ask questions.

Winners do not look at challenges and immediately disqualify themselves from them because of A, B, and C reasons.

They first look at how the challenge could be met.

That does not mean take on every challenge -- part of being a winner is seeing losses before they come, like trying to date that stripper who gave you the number she gives to all of her johns who she only contacts whenever she is going to be working. You might analyze a situation and arrive at the conclusion that ultimately it is not for you for whatever reason. However, that is a far cry from discounting the possibly just because of preconceived notions that are solely derived from a lack of confidence.


Lesson #9: Reconcile Your Bullshit


In the scene above, Donny and Bianca reconcile after he has fucked up for the second time, this time right before the biggest show of her career.

Luckily, Donny has Rocky in his corner, and he sets up the reunion.

Donny was focused on the fight regardless, but the man was on a mission to shock the world, he needed all the support he could get, it was for his betterment that she be there in his corner.

Most of our relationships with women are contemptuous -- the next topic of RTS. We tend to leave a lot of shit unsaid, and as it piles on, it takes our relationships to places that we do not really want them to go, especially if the goal is to have fruitful relationships.

It is difficult to go out and conquer the world when you have unsettled bullshit with people actively on your brain.

In certain moments, we do not always feel like immediately “talking about it”, but take your time away from it, and then get it resolved as soon as possible, whatever that resolution may be, so you can put it behind you and get back to work.


Lesson #10: Remember In The End, It’s All Worth It


I do not know about you, but I can honestly say, whenever I have put 110% into something I have wanted, I have been happy with the results.

The difficulty lies in consistently putting 110% into whatever you are doing.

That difficulty stems from the fact that we are not always doing what we want to do – we are often just doing what we have to do.

With that being said, nothing beats the feeling of accomplishment. We put whatever we have into something, and then when we get to the finish line, we reflect on the investments and sacrifices that were made, and it does not matter what we had to do because in the end we got what we wanted.

Think about what you really want in life.

Ask yourself “How can I reach my goals?”

After you realize what it is going to take, give it 110% for whatever amount of time it takes, until you get there.

I would say, you’d be surprised, but actually you won’t, you will feel accomplished; you’ll feel like a winner.


The Previous Edition of Real Talk Sessions
Real Talk Sessions: #StopWastingYourTime2016

[godzilla]

Creed is awesome. A little of a copy off of the first Rocky but still brings something new to the game. I agree with on #4, I get your point. I gotta add though, be careful what her "thing" is. I know its not the same, but I passed a few white girl "band chicks" in my life, and these girls were broken.

[General Stalin]

While there are good points in your analysis, there are a few that I think are somewhat irrelevant to players in the real world, mainly because you are analyzing a very cookie-cutter Hollywood story that has been rehashed to death. Hero encounters conflict, falls to the bottom, and wins in the end and gets the girl. Full of all the basic cliches that rarely translate to reality because they aren't supposed to. Thats the idea of a movie or any story really. If it was exactly like real life then people wouldn't like it. Drama. Conflict/resolution. Happy endings. Fun to be entertained by but to think thats how it plays out in life is to believe in fairytales and... well be "blue pill."

(01-30-2016 06:32 PM)jariel Wrote:  

Lesson #3: Take Advantage of Meeting Women Through Proximity

Donny is ready to take his game to the next level, so he trades the mansion he grew up in and the other comforts of his life in Los Angeles for a shitty apartment and a starting from the bottom boxing career in Philadelphia.
His apartment seems to get better though, as he meets Bianca, who lives below him, who predictably becomes the love interest of his tale. While it may predictable, the reality remains that proximity is the way that most people get together.

Obviously, it is not the only way; plenty of us have approached people as strangers, and suddenly found ourselves as important parts of their lives, but the outliers do not change the fact that most people will find their boyfriends, girlfriends, husbands, and wives through typical channels such as school, work, neighborhood, mutual friends, etc in what is known as Convenience Game.

In the scene above, Donny does not attempt to hook up with Bianca, he is just simply on some cool shit as a neighbor who is new in town, and would like to grab a bite to eat somewhere.

That does not mean that he was not interested from jump street, of course he was, but when the girl you are interested in is your neighbor, you do not have to run your game from 0 to 100 real quick. Here he is just surveying the land. If she is not willing to have a bite to eat with him, then he does not have much of a reason to figure that she would be down for anything else.

Notice that his approach is absent of any thirst because at this point, he is not really going for anything; he is just trying to get some time with her so he can fully introduce himself to her and give her the opportunity to do the same, if she wants to -- also notice the guy who wishes Donny luck, other dudes have put their bid in previously, but he's the one who actually got a shot.

Meeting a girl who is in your social circle, lives in a unit next to you, or works in the accounting department doesn't change the rules of game. Regardless of how you meet them, young women today aren't going to appreciate you stepping to them as a "friend" in the first place looking to convert to relationship-material later. The only reason this scene works in the movie it because it's a movie and isn't real life. This girl would not be this combative to a friendly and attractive stranger who knocked on her door asking to take her out. She would either politely/awkwardly shoot him down if she wasn't into him or happily agree and the vibe of it being a "date" would be clear.

Not making your intentions clear from the onset will most often kill your lead; this has been discussed plenty. In fact, I have a personal story that puts your theory to the test:

Met a cute girl that lived on my floor in my apartment building. Knocked on her door and said I wanted to get together sometime. She happily gives me her number and we make plans later that week. I ended up going to her place, drinking wine, watching netflix, and fucking all night and staying over. A kiss and a "I had a great time!" the next morning and I never heard from her again.

Proximity means shit - hoes are still hoes and playing it slow will award you no favors these days. Every red pill man knows that.

(01-30-2016 06:32 PM)jariel Wrote:  

Lesson #4: Find A Girl Who Has Something Poppin’


Donny’s interest in Bianca began after he found out she was an independent recording artist. As a result, she does not have a lot of idol free time – notice how when they go out to get something to eat, she tells him she only has an hour -- she has concerts to prepare for, and she is constantly holed up in her apartment writing and producing her own music.
It is important for a man to have a girl who has something poppin’ for herself.

Most of you guys are constantly dealing with females who are losers; they do not have anything going on other than you. A woman who does not have anything meaningful in her life that demands her focus and attention, will instead turn her focus and attention towards occupying your life with her bullshit.

In a good relationship, you will have your own life, she will have her own life, and you two will share a life together.

In a bad relationship, only one of you has a life, while the other is fixated on -- and insecure about -- the relationship, or both of you are losers so all you have is each other -- those are the worst relationships because they do not have any growth potential.

Donny and Bianca had the foundation for a good relationship. They were both individuals hungry for their own success, and since they understood each other's positions, they could evade stepping on each other's toes while still being there to support each other.

Absolutely not. It's been talked about to death on the manosphere that careerist girls and women who are too much about their own shit are awful relationship material. A "good" women for long term is one whose priority is the relationship and potentially a family that she can raise down the road - not her underground recording career. A girl who is "omg sooooo busy" that she can only afford an hour here or there between her cuhraaazay life is a waste of time. The only exceptions are girls who are busy only because they don't have a good man to occupy their time, and would readily drop everything for a solid man in her life.

I know the type of woman that I would want in my corner is certainly not one that I have to compete for her time with her other bullshit in her life.

That said, a girl should certainly be responsible and be able to take care of herself. That goes without saying. You aren't her meal ticket, but you also aren't just some penciled in date among her daily planner of hobbies, interests, and life plans.

(01-30-2016 06:32 PM)jariel Wrote:  

Lesson #7: Eat Crow When Necessary, But Still Maintain Frame

Shortly after winning a local fight, the fact that Donny is Apollo Creed’s son comes to light. Bianca is mad when she finds out because she does not like the fact that he did not confide in her that fact. It makes her wonder what else he has kept from her. Donny actually cares about her, so he runs her down, tells her why he kept the information to himself, but assures her that he will keep her in the loop from now on.

Let’s bring some maturity here into the game.

You have a lot of these so-called game/relationship advisers, and you know who they are, they run into discussions about guys and the girls they are dating, and they will give them this, “Fuck her then, abundance mentality!” bullshit.

Look, when a girl matters to you, and you make a mistake, you do not just say fuck it and let her dip out of your life. Most of these advisers are used to dealing with women they do not want anyway, so they are telling you how you should respond because that is how they would respond to someone they do not really care about.

Fuck that noise.

There’s nothing “beta” about caring for a woman.
There’s nothing “beta” about loving her.
There’s nothing “beta” about admitting you made a mistake and apologizing for it.

In typical female fashion, Bianca tries to take it too far, and after being given the opportunity to ask more questions, she asks Donny about the number of girls he has fucked, and Donny wisely curves the question and turns it into a fun-loving moment, maintaining frame in the process.

Sometimes you are going to make mistakes with women. Sometimes you are going to have to apologize or say what you have to say to communicate to women that you still want them on your team.

There is a right way to do that, and a wrong way to do that.

Hold yourself accountable for when you fuck up, assure her in the moment, you still want what you two have, but in the process do not completely kowtow to unrealistic demands and grovel for her approval.

When you play the game in that fashion, you are showing and proving to be the type of man that she wants and needs in her life.

The lesson you gleaned from this is solid - being "alpha" or maintaining frame doesn't mean never apologize when you make a mistake or do damage control once in a while, but again the example from the movie is poor.

This girl prying into this dude's life on google and going all "look what I found" giving him a hard time because his father is famous? Fuck that bitch. I'd tell her to beat feet right then and there. She's just the typical Inner-City-Touch-Bitch movie character who is hard to get, harder to keep, but "so worth it." Fuck outta here.

(01-30-2016 06:32 PM)jariel Wrote:  

Lesson #9: Reconcile Your Bullshit


In the scene above, Donny and Bianca reconcile after he has fucked up for the second time, this time right before the biggest show of her career.

Luckily, Donny has Rocky in his corner, and he sets up the reunion.

Donny was focused on the fight regardless, but the man was on a mission to shock the world, he needed all the support he could get, it was for his betterment that she be there in his corner.

Most of our relationships with women are contemptuous -- the next topic of RTS. We tend to leave a lot of shit unsaid, and as it piles on, it takes our relationships to places that we do not really want them to go, especially if the goal is to have fruitful relationships.

It is difficult to go out and conquer the world when you have unsettled bullshit with people actively on your brain.

In certain moments, we do not always feel like immediately “talking about it”, but take your time away from it, and then get it resolved as soon as possible, whatever that resolution may be, so you can put it behind you and get back to work.

I think the biggest lesson that should be taken from this is that some women just make it harder to accomplish your personal goals. This women were never in your corner if they can't understand how important shit is to you and be the ride-or-die type. Again, broads with up-and-coming careers as a recording artists wouldn't know or care about sticking by a man when they have their own shit they'd rather focus on. This bitch is just complicating things, taking his eye off the prize, and him having to do damage control in his love life when his focus should be on tackling his passion 100%.

(01-30-2016 06:32 PM)jariel Wrote:  

Lesson #10: Remember In The End, It’s All Worth It


I do not know about you, but I can honestly say, whenever I have put 110% into something I have wanted, I have been happy with the results.

The difficulty lies in consistently putting 110% into whatever you are doing.

That difficulty stems from the fact that we are not always doing what we want to do – we are often just doing what we have to do.

With that being said, nothing beats the feeling of accomplishment. We put whatever we have into something, and then when we get to the finish line, we reflect on the investments and sacrifices that were made, and it does not matter what we had to do because in the end we got what we wanted.

Think about what you really want in life.

Ask yourself “How can I reach my goals?”

After you realize what it is going to take, give it 110% for whatever amount of time it takes, until you get there.

I would say, you’d be surprised, but actually you won’t, you will feel accomplished; you’ll feel like a winner.

I tend to agree, but also realize going at something with all you've got doesn't always mean you'll win in the end. Often times people pour their heart and soul into shit that doesn't work out. It's okay to make mistakes as long as you learn from them and grow. We always hear about the heroes who made it through blood sweat and tears, but you don't often hear about the countless others who did the same thing but couldn't make the grade. There are plenty of people who toil their whole lives away at a passion and they never quite reach there goals. It's important to recognize when shit isn't working out and you need to shift gears.

All other points are solid and I agree, especially about fully committing to decisions. So man dudes will half-ass things or just get waist deep in the pool. You won't see the full potential unless you go full in. Also really agree with yourself being your toughest opponent. Self-defeat is real and it's the biggest thing holding dudes back in life most of time.

[jariel]

(01-31-2016 12:43 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

While there are good points in your analysis, there are a few that I think are somewhat irrelevant to players in the real world, mainly because you are analyzing a very cookie-cutter Hollywood story that has been rehashed to death. Hero encounters conflict, falls to the bottom, and wins in the end and gets the girl. Full of all the basic cliches that rarely translate to reality because they aren't supposed to. Thats the idea of a movie or any story really. If it was exactly like real life then people wouldn't like it. Drama. Conflict/resolution. Happy endings. Fun to be entertained by but to think thats how it plays out in life is to believe in fairytales and... well be "blue pill."

The point of this thread wasn't to say "Live your life based on a movie".

We're intelligent enough to understand that entertainment is entertainment, but we also can take away certain messages and apply them to our own situations.

I think those who don't have an agenda with their posts especially as it pertains to topics of this nature understand that and don't require intentional dot-connecting required to make a point that is only meant to serve as a rebuttal to a message that wasn't given in the first place.

I don't know what your dreams are, but I know what mine are.

Most people fail at shit that had very little odds to begin with.

I was a collegiate athlete, everybody I played with thought they were going pro. They thought wrong.

Unfortunately, the odds of becoming a professional athlete, a Hollywood movie star, an international recording artist, etc. are just the same as winning the Powerball.

If more people had dreams to get properly educated, become financially stable, form good familes and healthy relationships within their communities, to me that is all very much attainable.

I'm not the one who's trying to convince every guy here that they can become an international playboy, a location independent entrepreneur, etc.

As with anything, we have guys who are doing these things, but everybody can't, hell everybody doesn't want to.

Most people need to figure out what it is they want in life, which is a message I continue to repeat throughout my posts.

A lot of guys here don't appear to know. They appear to be lost. They read threads about guys fucking random sluts in foreign countries and then buy plane tickets to countries that they don't know anything about, is that really what they wanted?

I've noticed you have repeatedly come into these topics to make rebuttals about arguments that weren't made in the first place -- who said anything about getting caught up with a careerist?

Your tone is often negative.

Furthermore, in terms of game aspects, you're just not in a position to teach me on that. By your own admission, you claimed to have a chick who was dedicated to you, a solid 8 in the looks department, etc. but you tossed her aside because you "weren't ready" and you didn't like her genetics.

You have to step your game up before you can talk about game.

[General Stalin]

Just disputing and expressing disagreement with the validity of some of the "lessons" you gleaned from this movie. Is your content not open to scrutiny?

jariel Wrote:

You have to step your game up before you can talk about game.

No one on here is perfect at game. Neither you or me. By nature it's impossible to be perfect at it. All of us talk about what we know based off of our own observations, experience, and hearsay and theorize about what we don't.

Instead of trying shut me down by saying "you don't know what you're talking about" try correcting me. I'm not in here trying to dog or say that I'm more experienced so don't take it as keyboard jockeying, just trying to promote some discussion.

[DVY]

Bravo. Nothing to add or dispute.

I do really respect that you are dropping knowledge bombs. I am still learning at any stage and hearing it again always reinforces what is important in life.

[456]

@General Stalin --

My emphasis in bold.

(01-31-2016 12:43 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

While there are good points in your analysis, there are a few that I think are somewhat irrelevant to players in the real world, mainly because you are analyzing a very cookie-cutter Hollywood story that has been rehashed to death. Hero encounters conflict, falls to the bottom, and wins in the end and gets the girl. Full of all the basic cliches that rarely translate to reality because they aren't supposed to. Thats the idea of a movie or any story really. If it was exactly like real life then people wouldn't like it. Drama. Conflict/resolution. Happy endings. Fun to be entertained by but to think thats how it plays out in life is to believe in fairytales and... well be "blue pill."

... ... ...

He's not analyzing the story, he's elucidating the lessons with an accessible source of examples. To false-equivalence this into believing in fairytales and "blue pill" is hasty at best, disingenuous at worst.

There is inherent value in seeing human interaction portrayed by actors.

For me, the scenes from the film illustrate the lessons in a visceral "how might this sound or look?" sense, not in a predictive, sequential, story-arc-of-the-movie sense.

One does the OP a disservice by conflating the lessons and analysis with the sequence and source of the visual examples and the story arc of the film.

Jariel could have dug an example of each lesson from a different movie and made the same statement of lessons and analysis. That'd be unnecessarily distracting. OP is clearly not about "follow these lessons from a movie and you'll win in your own hero narrative".

It's about the lessons themselves, and using visualizations as a basis for discussion:

Lesson #1: Make A Decision, Go All In

Lesson #2: Accept That You're Going To Get Knocked Down Sometimes

Lesson #3: Take Advantage of Meeting Women Through Proximity

Lesson #4: Find A Girl Who Has Something Poppin’

Lesson #5: You Are Your Only Opponent

Lesson #6: Know When To Make A Move

Lesson #7: Eat Crow When Necessary, But Still Maintain Frame

Lesson #8: Winners Ask “How?”

Lesson #9: Reconcile Your Bullshit

Lesson #10: Remember In The End, It’s All Worth It

^^

I am always down to see examples, both fictional and non-fictional, of "laying down" these lessons. What the banter looks and sounds like, what reactions could be, etc. It's not about tying it to the story climax and heroic victory in the movie, it's about remembering to apply these lessons every day in MY life.

[456]

Quote:

Lesson #4: Find A Girl Who Has Something Poppin’

To the above point, again it's moderation: it's dead true that someone (girl or guy) with nothing going on will be a net drain, unless they are actively heeding your advice, following your example, and building with you or in their own sphere. Showing you their progress. Otherwise all the downsides are real; that person has all the time in the world to manufacture a honeypot of drama.

It's also true that a girl with too much going on -- consuming too much time, too much attention, attracting bad elements, your own jealousy, or whatever -- if it's going to cause you grief, it's not good. Will she "put it down" if the time comes to start a family? Who knows. If she's so willing to, maybe she's not that great at it, which is unsexy in itself (i.e. a confident yet plainly untalented artist).

But yes, you want her to be Her Own Person, or else how can the relationship be mutually beneficial? She should help you see your blindspots, not become your blindspot.