[rottenapple]

One of the things in game that I found to be difficult is the topic of pre-selection. We all know that it can be a powerful tool. Girls see you with other high value (read:hot) girls and they become interested. Especially in western world it seems to have a big effect.

With social media this option becomes even more powerful. Put up some pictures with hot girls and your whole network can see it. However there is also the stigma of being a ´player´, ´perro´, and so forth.

For me personally I keep a list of the girls I´m interested in and separate them into two categories. The ones that are receptive to me already for various reasons. I don´t want to ruin something that is already working with them. And the ones who seem to be disinterested or could use some stimulation. For the second group, I make sure that they are able to see pictures I post with hot girls, while the first group won´t be able to see anything. I noticed that it can sometimes trigger some girls of group 2 into reinitiating contact with you. Not always though, some of them might not be interested in you because they already established this side of you being a 'player' and they are only reaffirmed by this then.

It is a difficult line sometimes between the two.

Let´s try to bundle our experiences and see if we can find some general patters. I provided a poll to see the general stance of members, but I´ll also put forth some other questions.

-For those of you who publicly display themselves with hot girls, what reactions do you see overall?
-Have you lost girls because of this?
-Are there differences between regions? I personally think pre-selection works more in Western world and less in Africa/Latin America.
-Do you have friends that have absolutely no shame in their game in this regard and how does it benefit them or is it the opposite?
-Surely there is a difference between those living in big cities and those in smaller ones. In smaller ones, discretion is more advised I assume. Correct?

[WestIndianArchie]

If you're hugged up with some fine girl in one of your pics, all sorts of things can go through a lizard's brain.

Is he with her?
Is she my competition?
Is he showing off?

Pre selection in night game is different.
Walk in with a hottie, girls look to the body language between the two of you.

That doesn't necessarily translate to an online profile.

You need to think like am advertiser and use more narrative concepts when it comes to photos.

People who are making things for game 3.0 are not thinking very deeply.

WIA

[LA Savage]

The only kind of social media I use is snapchat because I find that Instagram, Facebook etc... causes more trouble in the long run for tons of reasons. A lot of the girls I approach and game I just add them on snapchat after I get their number. You will quickly find out that a lot of girls are boring and generally post pictures/videos of them with their pets, food they are about to eat, selfies, fashion/clothes, makeup stuff, them complaining about unimportant stuff, and them partying. I use it as an alternative way to check what type of lifestyle a girl lives and to look for red flags in her life.

I am not trying to present myself to girls as boyfriend material. Which is why regularly post videos and pictures of me with other cute girls I meet through gaming on my snapchat story line. I will pay group pics with a bunch of hot girls, me kissing girls, me slapping girls asses while they giggle, etc.. Every now and then I will post an actual video of me fucking a girl on my snapchat story line as well after I got her consent to do so under the condition that I don't show her face in the video.

This usually pisses girls off as it shows them you are really about that player lifestyle and don't give a fuck about them. I have lost plenty of boyfriend hunters this way. The girls who still like you will start trying to get your attention by either screenshotting your stuff and/or sending you pictures, videos, messages to distract you and try to catch your attention. Don't fall for this trap just keep doing you and enjoying and improving your life. You can get back to them when you feel like it.

These girls get jealous real fast when they see you with better looking girls and having fun. Imagine how it feels to have set up a date with a girl and then she flakes on you for some bullshit reason. But then that sameday she sees you making out and/or fucking another on snapchat. She will be shocked at how easily you are getting girls and are not concerned about her.

Just delete these bitches from your life as you please because of they aren't adding any value in your life then why bother giving them the time of day.

Please note it's easy for me to do this on a daily basis because I live in Los Angeles where it's easy to have an abundance mentality since there are tons of cute girls here. A quick trip to any nearby college campus, the beach, mall, hollywood, etc makes it extremely easy for meet cute girls to do this with.

[rottenapple]

(01-27-2016 12:17 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

If you're hugged up with some fine girl in one of your pics, all sorts of things can go through a lizard's brain.

Is he with her?
Is she my competition?
Is he showing off?

Pre selection in night game is different.
Walk in with a hottie, girls look to the body language between the two of you.

That doesn't necessarily translate to an online profile.

You need to think like am advertiser and use more narrative concepts when it comes to photos.

People who are making things for game 3.0 are not thinking very deeply.

WIA

Indeed, that is why we should discuss it. It is more risky than in real life situations, because your exposure is a lot higher and the outcomes can be very different.

I agree also on the narrative concept and indeed it can be difficult sometimes to not come off as ´showing off´, but that is the same with instagram for instance, it is basically built for showing off. Envy is a sideproduct that will come with success.

I´m not sure what you mean with ´People who are making things for game 3.0 are not thinking very deeply.´

In general, the safe option is offcourse not sharing anything of that kind, but I´m trying to see if there are other succesful ways when understanding the variables.

[kaotic]

If some fine ladies are around me in pics, absolutely I'll post it on media.

I remember for my birthday I was surrounded by 3 hynas on both sides of me, 1 had a crush on me then was over it because she was impatient, the other I was currently fucking.

Even if girls are your homeboy's girl or fuck buddy, being surrounded by attractive women in pictures is always a plus.

It makes you look attractive, wanted, fun, etc.

Like WIA said, a bitches hamster can go nuclear.


Thing is - any girl I'm fucking isn't really on my social media, especially not on FB. Maybe on Instagram or snapchat.

I'd rather have hoes guessing and keep shit mysterious.

With pre selection and social media - I like to show off fun shit I do, hobbies I have, cool pics, just an overall "hey I fucking fun with or without you attitude"

Just make sure you aren't a try hard bro, constantly posting a mix of girls for WomenCrushWednesday that you'll never get and some sub 7 girls.

[rottenapple]

(01-27-2016 12:25 PM)LA Savage Wrote:  

This usually pisses girls off as it shows them you are really about that player lifestyle and don't give a fuck about them. So they start trying to get your attention by either screenshotting your stuff and/or sending you pictures, videos, messages to distract you and try to catch your attention. Don't fall for this trap just keep doing you and enjoying and improving your life.
These girls get jealous real fast when they see you with better looking girls and having fun. Imagine how it feels to have set up a date with a girl and then she flakes on you for some bullshit reason. But then that sameday she sees you making out and/or fucking another on snapchat. She will be shocked at how easily you are getting girls and not concerned about her.

This is good information. You go really far in it even showing yourself fucking girls hahaha. Whenever you catch there attention, I would use it to get them out as well no?

I can´t imagine you haven´t lost girls like that though? What would you say is the percentage of girls looking to gain your attention after putting things up vs. girls not wanting anything to do with you anymore?

And that second part, sweet revenge, I´ve done that as well with girls that flaked. They deserve all of it.

[LA Savage]

Your looking at it from the wrong angle bro. I'm not trying to get revenge on these girls. I'm just doing me and either she is cool with it or not. My life will continue to be awesome whether or not she wants to be in it. Like I did bitches come and go like the sunset.

You have to enjoy life and what you do. I don't calculate percentages of girls doing this or that. That takes the fun out of being a player. If they try to contact me while I'm out with other girls I just ignore them and respond to them at a more suitable time when I'm not busy. Don't be a Time Ho for these bitches. You are your number one priority. If you're communicating back and forth with her while there are other hot girls around you then you have a major problem and need to get your priorities straight.

There are a couple of forum members here that I've gamed with doing cold approaches who can vouch for me with having a huge photo/video album of me and the girls I meet and posting them in snapchat. Just have fun with it bro and don't do it for them, do it for yourself.

[WestIndianArchie]

LASavage is thinking deeply.

He's advertising, he has defined a market.

That's where guys need to move.

The basics of every good profile
Face shot
Full body shot
Candid shot

The typical offline thinking
- pre selection shots
- and/chest/arms/muscle shot
- doing some bad ass activity

Girls don't think like guys.

I'll scroll through pic after pic looking for cute faces, and then check for big tits and a nice ass. (I wish there was an honest cup and waist size filter)

A chick does almost the same, but she also takes note of what you are doing, and what the pictures say about your life.

Boyfriend hunter or not, you gotta remember a chick is looking to either

1) join your super cool social group
2) see if you can fit into hers

Not all girls and not all the time, but you can make a picture do a lot more than just showcase your ugly mug.

When you peruse a female celebrities Instagram, the good ones do a lot of curation (and photo shop).

They are creating a lifestyle.

I want to wear that
I want to eat that
I want to be like you

There are some Ferrari shots, but the bulk of it is well lit everyday things that look like they would be cool.

It's Madison Avenue advertising for the person.

Pick a target, a real one. Let's say you wanted some cute little artistic girl. You want a "candid" shot of you, full body, suit, wine in hand at an art exhibit. Maybe a cute girl in your surroundings, as well as cool looking guys.

That's your ideal chick. She can see herself next to you.
But non arty chicks will gravitate more to your story versus some generic dude.

As a shortcut, a player has to think about who is marketing to his chick and how they're doing it.

If I wanted some video vixen, I'd start going through the people that they follows, and what she comments on.

Then I'd formulate an idea of what is making her respond on a gut level.

The typical "cool" shot is a guy either next to something cool and grinning, or he's doing something but his back is to the camera.

My boy has one of him doing the rapper squat and point next to S series. For why ?!!?!!

Let's take an advertising frame of mind.

So imagine
- garage
- Jack
- on your back underneath
- face in the shot
- biceps bulging
- Mercedes Benz symbol on the wheel (you can buy those caps)

With images, you can be heroic, epic...

As a player you have to think beyond typical offline game.

WIA

[rottenapple]

@LA Savage: I´m not talking about communicating with the girl while your with another one, but I'd interpreted what you wrote wrong. I thought you would not contact these girls anymore at all after they hit you up when getting jealous. That seemed strange to me, like forfeiting potential pussy. You meant that you wouldn´t give them attention at that moment which is only normal, I agree. Afterwards they can get their chance again if it suits you.

And on the revenge part, come on man, you can be a top player, but nobody likes to be flaked upon. Flaking for no reason is in any man´s mind unacceptable, because it is a disrespect to your time. If someone disrespects you like that and afterwards comes crawling back, because she perceives your status as higher as she though it was, that will feel good, we don´t have to deny that.

@WIA: you make some good points offcourse, the photo techniques have been discussed here on RVF, and although they are not really the topic of this post they are essential. One thing I would add though is that you have to be careful with the advertisement state of mind. A celebrity can do an amazing shot and everyone will applaud him, but you do a shot equal in style (not a copy though) and people will see you as a try hard if you don´t watch out. Especially other men will think like that, women in general are more used to that and might like it any way.

[WestIndianArchie]

On topic, I haven't seen consistent love one way or another, mostly because it can cut both ways.

It's very different from showing up to the spots with a cute chick. Or wearing a wedding ring yet not looking drained of all life.

Which is why I think a different mindset is warranted because your question doesn't really address the new reality.

If a player starts down the road of "will a hot women in my profile help or hurt me" he HAS to turn to how women process images in this context. Once you start there, a player should realize the different dynamics and drop inapplicable concepts.

That's why I took the road that I did.

WIA

[LA Savage]

(01-27-2016 01:53 PM)rottenapple Wrote:  

@LA Savage: I´m not talking about communicating with the girl while your with another one, but I'd interpreted what you wrote wrong. I thought you would not contact these girls anymore at all after they hit you up when getting jealous. That seemed strange to me, like forfeiting potential pussy. You meant that you wouldn´t give them attention at that moment which is only normal, I agree. Afterwards they can get their chance again if it suits you.

And on the revenge part, come on man, you can be a top player, but nobody likes to be flaked upon. Flaking for no reason is in any man´s mind unacceptable, because it is a disrespect to your time. If someone disrespects you like that and afterwards comes crawling back, because she perceives your status as higher as she though it was, that will feel good, we don´t have to deny that.

Yes I would not talk to them at that moment. I would hit them up later if I still feel like their is still potential.

Yes flaking for no reason is unacceptable. But please take a look at the "I Just Got Flaked on Thread". After reading that thread on a regular basis and hearing it happen to those guys, myself, and my friends, I just came to the conclusion that bitches are not reliable and to always take what they say with a grain of salt and pay more attention to their actions not their words. I am taking action myself by going out and still having a good time. So when she tried to get back in touch with me after seeing me have a good time without her I just know now not to take her seriously and have very low expectations with her. Trying to get revenge on bitches that disrespected you is not going to make your life any better and certainly won't help you get some nice fresh, tight, and young pussy. It's a waste of time which you could have spent improving your life.
Anyways the best revenge is moving on with your life and being happy.
Try to learn and practice being more outcome independent rather than outcome dependent.

Also a good way to not let the flaking bother you is to set up dates at spots where you can still game girls, before and after the date.
I always set up my dates/meet ups at places where I know there will be a lot of other cute young girls.
Since I'm in Los Angeles I usually set a meetup/date on campus, Venice/Santa Monica Beach, the outdoor mall near the beach, Hollywood, The Grove, a Farmers Market, Downtown LA near the Staples Center and occasionally some museums such as The Broad and The LACMA. There are so many cool spots to take girls on dates with out here that I am already prepared for her to flake because it will allow me to approach and game other cute girls at that location and have a great time. I do it all the time and post it on snapchat. It's also helps motivate your guy friends to get out there and start gaming some bitches after seeing their own friend do it over and over again consistently.

[XXL]

You can't ruin anything by posting pictures online with your friends who happen to be cute girls. As long as those pictures look casual and fun and innocent. It might seem lame to you [innocent pics with girls?] but trust me it's more than enough. Why? Keep in mind that the rest of the world gets laid using social circles so when they see you have many female friends they associate it with mating and view those girls as your potential options. Showing subtle signs of pre-selection and letting others fill in the blanks on their own is the social proof that you want.

It can backfire once you cross the line ie when you post semi romantic pictures with different girls as if you're dating them. That's try hard and makes you look like a douchy player. That's the kind of social proof you don't want.

[rottenapple]

I'm gonna start implementing this on my Instagram as well, most guys on here will prefer not to post girls as in order not to burn any targets. I will post some of my finest with the pre-selection dynamic in mind, but with some rules:

-never kissing or 100% showing she is with you
-pictures in social settings
-better if its more than one girl
-don't show the same girl more than let's say two times

Besides this, I will still have 80% pictures of me doing crazy stuff generating social value, the pics with hot girls will only be small additions to the overall profile. About the same amount of pics of me with girls than me with buddies in social settings.

Will report back with results. One very important side note: I'm in South America. This can work here, and probably in the States and Western Europe, but in Eastern Europe it can def block you. Asia, I'm not sure. A plus is that your cuckbuddies back at home will suffer and will feel the direct effect of their bad choices in life seeing you with top girls in another country.

I'm also gone share this strategy I use, which I posted before in the 'everything goes' lounge:

"This is just for a few of you, depending how you play the social media angle. Me, I maintain my facebook profile with a lot of detail. I have a lot of pics with hot looking girls on there. Whenever a girl I'm with or I see potential in adds me, I put her in a category so she just sees my pics doing cool stuff, talking about interesting shit etc. Nothing or few things girl related. Whenever one of those girls decides to leave me, I give her about two weeks. If nothing happened, I remove her from 'the group', allowing her to see everything or at least a lot more (girl specific). Some won't see it immediately, but eventually they will. And what have I noticed? As soon as they see you with some class girls (never kissing or anything like that, just providing the suggestion, you have to be able to maintain the doubt), it will spark their interest. They will think "damn, now I know why this guy was not too upset about what happened, he got a lot of options and some even hotter than me". Pussy gets wet, they re-initiate contact, the cycle repeats itself."

For me, the best platform for now is still facebook, it allows you to tweak all the visibility and security. It takes up time, but it can def be worth it to maintain a good profile. I've had unknown girls random add me on fb and then fuck me. Thanks to Vinny's datasheet, I'll get into Instagram now as well, we'll see if it can get me even more positive exposure.

[Kid Twist]

I'm still trying to find the best genre of pic for IG, that shit is crazy to keep up