[369eyedea]

In the Migrant Crisis thread, we've seen how vehemently opposed certain countries, such as Poland, Czech, Hungary and in general the EE are vehemently against the introduction of Middle Eastern people into their society.
This attitude mirrors Japan.
But is quite opposite to that of Germany and France.

All of the aforementioned countries have been invaded or occupied in the past 100 years, for some, several times. However, say Germany, has a laissez faire attitude to the protection of their culture. Large parts of Paris are slums that wouldn't be out of place in many of the backwards countries were the citizens of former French colonies came from.

What drives a sense of patriotism in Poland, compared to Sweden. Why do the Japanese seek to protect their people, whereas many Germans (i've spoke to several Germans who think the SYrians won't be a problem) think nothing of it all.

What are the factors that drive a sense of Patriotism in a country? are their certain factors that we can attribute to all these more protectionist countries, or is each story of each country unique.
Interested to hear your thoughts.

[El Chinito loco]

(01-17-2016 12:16 AM)369eyedea Wrote:  

In the Migrant Crisis thread, we've seen how vehemently opposed certain countries, such as Poland, Czech, Hungary and in general the EE are vehemently against the introduction of Middle Eastern people into their society.
This attitude mirrors Japan.
But is quite opposite to that of Germany and France.

A look at history explains everything.

Many central european countries are and always have been battleground nations or line in the sand focus points for geopolitical struggle. Poland has fought off countless invaders in history some of them quite foreign and from far flung lands. Mongols even made it into their lands back in the days. They are accustomed to having feelings of insecurity and resistance.

Czech and Hungarians have also had a similar history of invasion and being invaded by foreigners. They are hardened by this sort of reality.

In otherwords the EE and central Europe were also the dividing line between the greater european powers and the near east (middle east) and other foreign hordes raiding their lands. They have a firmer grasp on reality based on deeper historical impressions on their culture.

[369eyedea]

I guess the greater historical conflicts in those countries, eastern europe say, has resulted in a lesser proliferation of socio-liberal values in their modern societies.

[aardwolf]

The answer is: 45 years of communist regime

We are completely used to the fact that the press and tv are lying, that the government could be your enemy and that there is a foreign power trying to force their completely idiotic ideas on you.
Before it was communism from Moscow and now it is gender, "refugees" etc. from Brussels.
It works as a vaccination.
Even inside the country when you check who is trying to force the "refugees"
idea you usualy find that these are sons and daughters of communist apparatchicks, so people who have treason of their countrymen in their blood.
Notice that also in Germany most of the protest are in former East Germany.

[Khan]

Some thoughts:

-Germany: With Germans, this is largely the result of their defeat in WWII and subsequent occupation. They had to accept guilt for the horrors they committed in WWII, and this combined with 45 years of military occupation completely softened them and turned them into herbivores. I'm afraid there is no hope left for them.

-France is another matter. They were the victors in WWII and their post-war development went differently, and as a result they are far more patriotic than Germans. The electoral results of FN show this; it would be unimaginable for a similar party to achieve success in Germany.

-Eastern European countries had to endure 45 years of brutal Communism and Russian vassalage; this makes them naturally opposed to the rule of bureaucrats from Brussels.

-my country (Croatia) is an interesting example. We share the same history of foreign invasions with other Central Europeans, however our sense of patriotism is only ceremonial in nature. I would even go as far and say that we are largely a nation of cucks, willing to accept anything Eurocrats impose on us. We are adopting sick Western values at an alarming rate, and there are no signs of stopping. The sociopolitical climate of Croatia is pretty different from that of Hungary or Poland, for example.

I can only speculate on the reasons for this, but they can probably be found in the facts that we 1) had to fight a war for our independence which completely exhausted us, and 2) our ex-Communist elites (which have by now adopted the SJW mantle) were very numerous and tough, so they not only survived the war, but even managed to reassert themselves as the dominant force in our society post-war.

[Alexandrian]

It's something some countries brainwash their kids with. Eastern Europe has always been a land of turmoil, conflicts and wars. Independence and autonomy was not always certain. Many people there fought and died for their country. So, the people there love their country more than in more civilized nations, because the uncertainty of the future of their nations

Turks, at the other hand, are among the most (irrationally) nationalstic/patriotic people ever because they teach children at school to be patriotic and ultra-nationalistic. Every morning before school they have to swear allegience to the Turkish state and say good morning to a statue of their dead dictator Mustafa Kemal Atatürk lol. Americans are also a pretty irrationally patriotic nation. Their country is filled with Americans flags and their patriotism blinds them to the point that they actually think they won the Vietnam war.

[Blueberry]

I would answer about France being french myself.
To answer your question french people are patriotic.
Maybe it doesn't show because of the "laissez faire" attitude that we have, but the majority is patriotic and is really fed up with the fact that it is always the same people in France that refuse to integrate, are causing trouble and are now killing our countrymen.
You would ask why this "laissez faire" then?
You have to know that France as welcomed immigrants for a long time now. First it was belgians, swiss and italians in the beginning of the 20th century. Then a lot of spanish during the spanish civil war. And starting in the 60's a lot of algerians, portuguese, polish, tunisians and moroccans. More recently a lot of black africans and even more people from maghreb.
French people where never asked their opinion about that matter, the government didn't care, they just wanted cheap and docile labor.
With people from european and christian background, they integrated just fine.
The first troubles appeared with the second generation of maghrebis in the 80's, they are already in the so called ghettos, they already don't have jobs and they already complain about police harassments and France being a racist country.
The thing is they don't have shit to do, are starting to deal drugs and are causing troubles already.
The police was not yet pussyfied and was not tender against them. The skinheads also took matter in their own hands at that same period.
After some riots in one of the ghettos of Lyon in the early 80's and the repression by the police, one man (suspected of robbery) is shoot by them and injured.
Then starts a march around France by the maghrebis to call for equality and against racism, it's called "marche des beurs".
That's when the medias started to portray this population as victims, calling out the police for police brutality and skinheads evil racists, but at the same time implying that all french people are racists and colonialists.
Anti-racists organizations are created and funded with the help of the (leftist) government, the first and most famous "SOS racisme".
Then starts a huge propaganda to to this day to portray french people as racists, in order for them to shut up, accept the immigration and the misbehavior of a certain group of immigrants.
It has come to a point of indoctrination that you even have to be careful of what you say about immigrants with other native french people. If you say something that might be perceived as "racist", a lot will call you out on it and shame you like your the equal of Hitler.
I hope it will help people understand why we don't speak up more against this issue and stop calling us pussies. We just have the whole system against us and have no way to change things.
The only thing we can do is make white babies and raise them to be proud french and europeans.

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(01-17-2016 06:38 AM)Blueberry Wrote:  

French people where never asked their opinion about that matter, the government didn't care, they just wanted cheap and docile labor.

Don't you guys have elections? Or, if the elections are rigged/bought, why weren't those governments overthrown by the French people?

In my opinion, the answer is the same as why feminism has spread.

Ultimately, we (speaking broadly, including past generations) let that happen.

But by owning that problem, we also realize that we can solve it (at least for ourselves), instead of hoping that the government will solve it for us (which the current iteration obviously won't).

[Blueberry]

We have a popular saying in France about elections: "If voting was changing anything, it will have been forbidden a long time ago."
Anyway for the past 50 years we have governments doing the exact opposite they were elected for.
You can blame the people for being stupid and sheeps, which a lot are, but ultimately we are powerless and will never have any control over those matters. We are just puppets for the global elite who is pushing their own agenda.
If you understand how easy it is to manipulate the masses, you will understand why we are in such a situation.
Western europeans were told to accept the invasion of muslims and shut up.
The exact same people who were telling us that will soon tell us to go on a crusade against muslims.
We are just puppets.

[masoud_akbari]

Iran are massively patriotic, from my experience, But they hate their own government haha. But in terms of sport especially, they are very very patriotic.

[Deepdiver]

Fact is after WWII the Globalist Elite Banksters suffered debilitating losses during the holocaust. Post WWII their tribe decided to dominate all positions of power and influence in key sectors of the economy including academia, law, banking, finance, corporate CEOs and HR Departments, as well as media, entertainment and politics. The magic of getting any movie or show funded and green lighted include a gratuitous yet powerful anti holocaust theme or components. The tribes are terrified of any inkling of nationalism and immediately attack any form of perceived nationalism as racism and or antisemitism and systematically implemented thought and behavioral psychological mind control via their many controlled outlets of mass media, Television, Movies and social media notably facebook and instagram.

They are the leading proponents of Militant Marxist, Militant Feminism and Militant SJWism and have done all they can to not only shame but punish non conforming non politically correct thought and actions including subtle denial of employment or outright HR firings.

They have been enormously successful and the massive militant muslim migration is to give their Christian and Euro nationalist perceived enemies something else to fear and focus on than the tribalists which already live in gated homes and communities immune to the radicalized islamism they have unleashed upon the national European Christians.

Even the concept of the EU and Euro was part of their grand plan to control the Euro masses.

The Elites have not had as much control or influence in EE and the EE is suspicious of any mind control having lived under the Soviets domination for more than 70 years.

EE, Russa and China are their last major uncontrolled countries.