[WestIndianArchie]

Feel free to use any of "my" stuff in a group setting.

This particular one is a good for a mixed set. Most non players are like she's a skank. The chicks might be split, and you say your spiel last. You can build on.whatever you learn from the situation.

WIA

[thisisright]

Here is another way to look at it:

1. she is a big time slut. She fucks any time/anything. That one is pretty obvious.

2. She is not a slut. But has a low notch count. She is not experienced. She fall down to game easily. So do sex from first date.

3. Her notch count is high. Alphas ditched her after sleeping with her on first date. She learned the lesson. That's why she makes you wait. And yeah, by the way, she is fucking something else on the side because she got to have an active sex live right?

[godzilla]

Mostly agree. It can really depend though on some factors.

For example, age..

a 20 year old who sleeps with you on the first night vs. a 30 year old who sleeps with you on the first night

do you treat this the same way?

Also, I think the time you spend with a girl can make a big difference (subconsciously of course)

is there a difference between a girl who spends with an 8 hr first date vs 2 4 hr dates?

I really can't answer that.

Separate story. I went on a date with this girl. It went really well. I walked her back to her place at about 2am after about 5hr. I thought I wasn't getting any honestly, since my logistics were bad and she lived with parents. Then her brother came home an invited us to an after party. Long story short we ended up banging at like 6am at my place after a long cab ride. I didnt find her to be slutty at all and actually im pretty sure she was a good girl. So who knows right?

[Pride male]

Cool thread. A poll would make it better.

SNL means a girl is impulsive and lacks self control. Definitely not LTR material.

[XXL]

I wouldn't mind. However I get very attracted to a women who don't get seduced easily. My rationale is that if she doesn't give in to ME then she's quite bulletproof to guys in general which makes me glad.

[Pride male]

Probably not her first time.

[Laner]

Tough call. I have banged girls on the first date who later turned out to be 'good girls' who have never put out so quickly before.

I have also had very slutty women make me wait for three or four dates (or never put out). Its a standoff sometimes, between a player and slut. Both are eyeing each other up, both know the game and can keep score. Sometimes slutty girls, especially on the other side of 25 can be real game players.

In the end, if its about LTR then my experience says No. Quality generally makes men wait, as they were raised (by fathers) to not let emotional impulse cloud their better judgement in regards to men.

[Curunír]

Strongly disagree, by experience and by being in a LTR I banged the first night.

I try to get girls to want to bang me ASAP, I like bang time to be 2 hours not 2 weeks, so why would I correlate the girl banging me and her slutiness?

Girl bangs me because I have good game and cannot do otherwise, not because she is a slut!

That's how I see it!

[Stimulus]

(01-12-2016 02:09 PM)Curunír Wrote:  

Strongly disagree, by experience and by being in a LTR I banged the first night.

I try to get girls to want to bang me ASAP, I like bang time to be 2 hours not 2 weeks, so why would I correlate the girl banging me and her slutiness?

Girl bangs me because I have good game and cannot do otherwise, not because she is a slut!

That's how I see it!

From my experience (former FWB - we even agreed we would not match outside of the bedroom) this is not true. You might just be her fastest option at that time or whatever. Simply put, just like we men do, girls sometimes bang just to get fucked.

(12-29-2015 07:19 PM)Stimulus Wrote:  

Seeing her for the first time I wasn't really impressed. She wasn't ugly nor hot and I guess most guys here will have no trouble at all fucking her, but she wasn't really my type of girl, 6 face, 6 body. But hell I just needed to get laid so went on with it. A few drinks, smalltalk, bedroom, bang. As far as bang quality it was 'ok', nothing special and certainly not one I'll think about jerking off. We fell asleep, banged again this morning and took a shower. Kicked her out after that telling her I had to run some errands.

[Eddie Winslow]

I disagree also. Her job is to submit to a strong, attractive man. Unless I view myself as a loser, how can I punish her for doing what she is supposed to do?

I've banged sluts on the first night and I've also banged amazing, feminine girls on the first night. With the latter, if the chemistry is there, it's easy to get wrapped up in the moment. It can be really amazing.

However, no matter how lovely or innocent they may seem at the time, I can't remember any decent girlfriend candidate that was on birth control when I ONS-ed her.

[Vienna]

(01-12-2016 03:03 PM)Eddie Winslow Wrote:  

However, no matter how lovely or innocent they may seem at the time, I can't remember any decent girlfriend candidate that was on birth control when I ONS-ed her.

IUDs especially is the mother tell of sluts. She's a girl expecting to have fun for the next 3 years.

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First LTR: she was a virgin and basically worshipped me. Good and meaningful relationship for me, looking back.

Every girl I banged on the first date except one have NOT gone beyond ONS/FB. I do believe I can have a meaningful relationship with a girl even though we had sex on the first meet.

I'm an optimist and believe that if you had a connection with the girl, why wait? Obviously you had the right vibe and she liked you enough.

EDIT: Massive typo in my original post!

[YossariansRight]

(01-12-2016 04:13 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 03:03 PM)Eddie Winslow Wrote:  

However, no matter how lovely or innocent they may seem at the time, I can't remember any decent girlfriend candidate that was on birth control when I ONS-ed her.

>>IUDs especially is the mother tell of sluts. She's a girl expecting to have fun for the next 3 years.<<

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First LTR: she was a virgin and basically worshipped me. Good and meaningful relationship for me, looking back.

Every girl I banged on the first date except one have gone beyond ONS/FB. I do believe I can have a meaningful relationship with a girl even though we had sex on the first meet.

I'm an optimist and believe that if you had a connection with the girl, why wait? Obviously you had the right vibe and she liked you enough.

^^Yep. Cum on in...again and again and again and...

[rw95]

I don't understand how you can trust a woman who gives it up so easily. If she gave it up that easily to you, what's to say she won't give it up so easily again even while she's in a relationship with you?

[Vienna]

(01-12-2016 04:22 PM)YossariansRight Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 04:13 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 03:03 PM)Eddie Winslow Wrote:  

However, no matter how lovely or innocent they may seem at the time, I can't remember any decent girlfriend candidate that was on birth control when I ONS-ed her.

>>IUDs especially is the mother tell of sluts. She's a girl expecting to have fun for the next 3 years.<<

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First LTR: she was a virgin and basically worshipped me. Good and meaningful relationship for me, looking back.

Every girl I banged on the first date except one have gone beyond ONS/FB. I do believe I can have a meaningful relationship with a girl even though we had sex on the first meet.

I'm an optimist and believe that if you had a connection with the girl, why wait? Obviously you had the right vibe and she liked you enough.

^^Yep. Cum on in...again and again and again and...

Yep.

Off-topic: Don't wanna derail the thread but I managed a massive typo in my post. I meant to type that all first date bangs except one have NOT gone beyond ONS/FB. Just pointing out the inconsistency. Carry on!

[WestIndianArchie]

@DF why?

[Rhyme or Reason]

I'm in agreement with the OP's position. I'm kinda shocked at how many disagree. Frankly, most of the arguments put forth by those in disagreement strike me as nothing more than male hamstering.

If you think that a girl who fucks on the first encounter does so because you're "just like, sooo awesome!" and that it's not typical behavior for her, you've got a thing or two to learn about women.

Women hamster to justify their slutty behavior. Believing she "isn't really like that" is textbook male hamstering. It's also playing into her frame.

[Ingocnito]

I think the major extremes of either are typically bad news.

First date, after spending a while together is better bet than first date, skip date, bang within 30 min of meeting each other.

I don't think girls that hold out, just for the sake of holding out are necessarily all that much better. For some, it's more of a control move early on, not necessarily a sign they're quality LTR material.

Don't think a girl holding out for date 2-3-4 is necessarily doing so because she isn't already banging a guy the night before, and just likes you more and wants to cut it off with him, or play both sides of the options card.

There's a lot of variables that squash LTR viability, and better to find those out fairly quickly.

[brob]

(01-12-2016 05:22 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

I'm in agreement with the OP's position. I'm kinda shocked at how many disagree. Frankly, most of the arguments put forth by those in disagreement strike me as nothing more than male hamstering.

If you think that a girl who fucks on the first encounter does so because you're "just like, sooo awesome!" and that it's not typical behavior for her, you've got a thing or two to learn about women.

Women hamster to justify their slutty behavior. Believing she "isn't really like that" is textbook male hamstering. It's also playing into her frame.

Well said. LTR material is a girl who has a rock solid principle of not fucking on a first date and doesn't let emotion override that principle and doesn't put herself in situations where emotion could override that principle. These girls are tough to find in 2016.

[lifeizfunhuh]

The ideal scenario is this: you try as hard as you can for the bang - she ALMOST gives it up. It is obvious that she wants you, you see the struggle. A soaking wet pussy is the most sincere test of attraction because it cannot be faked. This assures the attraction is real, but also tests her resolve. Most girls fail the test and you get the bang to satisfy your needs. It's fun, but these girls disappoint on a deep level. Bonus that you can screen the ones that don't give it up, even though they REALLY want to. Those are the ones to invest a little more in, as additional due diligence is warranted.

As I say to my friends, you never know how strong the castle walls are until you try to breach them.

[Curunír]

Getting girls to bang you when they have no intention of doing so or do not normally do is an art, some arguments here of people who agree tend to put all girls in the same category as wanting to fuck or needing to or will if it's the right time or place.

Many high quality girls (8.75 +) do NOT have sex that often and will NEVER or rarely have sex the first time.

If as a player I bypass their normal way of acting and sleep with them meaning they will sleep with me and would not with others in the same context because of game, how can they be slut.

A slut is a girl who will sleep easily and always the first night or a girl who cheats etc. or acts slutty.

No causal relation with a first night bang people in my opinion.

[Tactician]

Agree.

I'm not buying this "genuine connection" stuff. Pretty sure I can induce that feeling in a fair amount of people, but if they've only known me for less than a day, how can they know my real personality? This goes doubly so when a guy is good looking, due to the influence of the halo effect.

This is why I'm suspicious of her LTR capability. It's not that I'm not LTR material myself, it's that I might not be and she just gave up the bulk of her hand without really anything to show for it.

Remember what Patrice O'neal said, "men audition on the front end for sex, women audition on the back end for commitment."

Even though in reality I might be perfect LTR material myself, she has absolutely no way to know that and no way to know if I'm even interested in an LTR with her, and it is precisely this lack of discretion that causes me to doubt her worth.

Edit: Full disclosure, I don't SNL much, so that may have influenced my thinking. It's conceivable that the "male hamster" will want to say SNL chicks aren't LTR material if the guy in question doesn't SNL much, as a form of "sour grapes."

[Dismal Operator]

I agree with the statement.

All of us know ourselves deep down, whether we've got good game, whether we have our shit together, and even whether how we present ourselves to others lines up with all of that. A woman who has just met you for a first date/ONS situation can not, in any reasonable manner, judge who you really are as a man.

When you consider from a strict biological standpoint that sex = reproduction, and ignore the human 'hacks' we've developed like the pill, condoms, pulling out, abortion, etc, from the woman's standpoint ONS are at best a reckless decision. She's basically agreeing to bear your child based on your charm. Whether you have the means, and the willingness to stick around and support her and the kid are huge unknowns, and she is gambling massively that it will work out. You might be a legit guy, or you might be a drifter with good game who happens to own a decent outfit, who will be on the Greyhound to Toledo in the morning. She has no way of knowing that for sure having known you for less than 8 hours.

It's actually a good filter I've used over the years. I'll take the bang as quickly as I can get it of course, but I do consider the speed in which I get it as much of an indication of the girls ability for judgement and longer term thinking as it was my 'good game.'

[LINUX]

I want to fuck you on the first date; I will try to fuck you on the first date; but if you fuck me, you're not relationship material, because I essentially I expect you to be stronger than me.

Does that sum it up?

Good luck jerking off every night when you're married because she had no sex drive to begin with.

I guess I'll take the hoes.

[getdownonit]

Wrong.

It's not black and white.

I've banged a virgin after a few hours and I've waited multiple dates for a girl who gave me an std.

Very seldom it is a disqualifier:
You ask a girl in a bar for a light and she fucks you in the bathroom within five minutes a la slubu? Hell no

Instadate a virgin you daygamed after her Sunday morning church choir, spent the day with and banged that night? Some of these guys' heads would explode from the cognitive dissonance if they pulled that off.

There's more to it than one factor

[DonnyGately]

Disagree, but a red flag.