[BillyTalented]

Hey guys what up, i'll try and keep this short.
Background may help:

About two years ago my first ltr and I broke up. She was a solid 9.5 100% serious, Italian, 5'6", tone body, olive skin, curly dark hair and CC chest. For me it doesn't get much better. She was 3 years younger (I'm in uni so a lot), and inexperienced as was I, but I got her with clown game (also helps that I'm a 6'5" varsity athlete). Needless to say I was 100% beta and we ended on her terms, even though her family loved me (they bought me Christmas gifts, made dinner for me and payed for some of our dates... probably because I was reason she got confirmed -took her to Church-, and was first bf of hers that wasn't a complete dink that cheated on her). I was heartbroken for a long while and eventually found this forum.

In comes current girl. I met her on tinder (I know, already a red flag but I have long since deleted tinder), and she was cute. To me, a 6-6.5, but she was thin and feminine for the most part, and very bright (also comes from a very wealthy family). However, I couldn't get over my ex and broke up with this girl (not really break-up because we were never bf/gf). I had already learned a lot from this forum and was a lot more alpha with this girl than before with above ex (I have multiple examples I can list for those curious). That was about a year ago.

Well, recently, we started chatting again (she initiated) and went on a few dates but that stopped over exams. At the same time, ex#1 contacts me (she now has bf) and tells me how she misses me and she has never felt in love with another guy like she was with me, not even current bf, and how she has changed (when I was seeing her she would flirt a lot with other guys). I ate it right up.

Well, I thought about it and realized its complete BS and the real reason she initiated contact with me is that she didn't want to lose me as an option because I had stopped talking to her for a few months, after being on and off for 18 months until she got current boyfriend. If she really wanted me she would have broken up with current boyfriend. How can someone say they changed yet do the same things (talking to guys while in relationship) that led to our break-up. I got her to call and told her to message me when she's single to which she sounded pretty upset but that was months ago and no change so clearly I was right. Feels good I wasn't 100% beta but I still had a bit of a relapse, that girl is my weakness.

So anyway back to girl #2. End of November I stopped seeing her for the second time, and late December after coming home drunk from family I message her and she says shes been seeing a guy. Drunk me gets mad and tells her to come pick me up. Sober her does, and we drive and she basically persuades me into a relationship I don't really want. Sober me wakes up, oh shit....

My family loves this girl so I thought why not give it a try. Two weeks later and I am not feeling anything for this girl, I like her as a person but that's it. I am not even really attracted to her but I am pretty sure she loves me. I have been alpha with this girl and the contrast between her and the last ex is laughable. Anybody who doesn't think game works is an idiot. For example, I have yet to apologize once to this girl which is something I constantly did with ex#1, and she never gets in fights with me. She respects me 100 fold what ex#1 did. Anyway, I don't know where to go from here guys. She is such a kind, genuine girl who honestly would take a bullet for me and I don't want to hurt her, but the longer I wait the more it will hurt. Fuck, drunk me needs to put away phone and never text anybody.

Any advice is truly appreciated, i'm new to this but after reading a lot of the forum over the last year and RoK I can truly say this community is a great one that has helped me a lot. Cheers mates

Honestly though, what would you do? I don't know. This girl is more feminine and kind to me than 99.9% of other girls and truly cares about me but I'm not feeling the same way, I am just not that attracted to her. I know I shouldn't care but she comes from a very wealthy family that could really help me start a business some day. I care about her and don't want to hurt her. Wish I could put her in HB's body. Worst thing is she behaves just like HB did at beginning of our relationship, but my betaness and the simps who pumped her head into a hot air balloon destroyed her femininity. Thats I think why I miss her still, is that I wonder what it could have been if I had her now instead of then and I long for HB before she was poisoned by modern society. Im young, should I just say F*ck it and acquire more bangs? Or stay with cute girl #2 and bang on the side?
Feel like an ass saying this, but I am truly looking for advice. You guys the best, guide me

Cliffs:
OP gets 1st ltr with HB
OP beta as expected and HB dumps OP to "find herself"
OP heartbroken
OP gets cute girl to dull pain
Cute girl likes OP but OP dumps cute girl
OP and HB on and off for 18mo
HB tells OP she still ha feels for him after OP stops contact with her
OP beta relapse
OP mans up and tells HB to leave bf or gtfo
OP starts seeing cute girl again in mean time
OP stops seeing cute girl
OP drunk and messages cute girl and finds out she is seeing someone
OP sees cute girl, starts relationship while drunk and doesn't know what to do

[h3ltrsk3ltr]

You started up while drunk? That's an easy out, Opie.

"Uh, hey, I was pretty drunk. We're not together."

[UlteriorMotive]

No matter what she has going for her if there is no primal connection it will never work, it will only end up in her being damaged at some point and you possibly feeling bad as well.

Take her somewhere private and explain that in a nice way.

[WestIndianArchie]

Uni?
Semester abroad

WIA

[PapayaTapper]

Here's my 2 cents (And 2 pieces of advice)


1. Sounds to me like you're too young to be thinking about marriage anyway so you need to go bang as many chicks as you can, while you can. If you feel girl B deserves your honesty then I think you need to at least come clean and tell her you don't see this working out long term. It's the right thing to do if she's not a pump and dump slut. If you know she's looking for a long term commitment and know you can't / won't give it to her then you'd be doing her a solid by not wasting her pre-wall time (her most precious commodity... whether she knows it or not)


2. Welcome to "The Rub". The reason chic A was not that into you was because you were really into her. The reason chic B is so into you is because you're not that into her. Learn from this experience:

"The power in a relationship lies with whoever cares less" Uncle Wayne


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[BillyTalented]

Thanks for the responses guys, especially ulterior and papaya. Makes a lot of sense. Unfortunate that's the way it is with relationships. The ideal case would be both caring equally but that never happens long term these days in the West for the most part, at least that's how it seems. Gonna be a really shitty conversation...
will try and update. Hoping to get it done before the weekend because trip to Niagara coming up.

[Brick]

Backing up papaya...any minute you spend with her is just wasting her time, and yours. It's gonna suck, she'll be sad, you'll be melancholy, but that rush of freedom you'll feel when it's done is gonna be great.

it's not going to get better with time. She's certainly not going to get any hotter....

Good luck, man, be strong

[CameraXL]

I felt the same with the girl (30) I've (40) been together with since July.

I kept wondering/thinking about dumping her/ending the realtionship for some time.

But I never did. This morning, she ended it when we where still laying in bed.
Now I feel like shit.

Do yourself a favour and listen to your gut.
End it if you feel like ending it.

[Remington]

Seems to me that you already know the answer to your current situation with girl B. You are already leaning towards breaking up with her, no need to continue stringing her along. The longer you both stay together, the worse you both will feel when you end things. h3ltrsk3ltr gave you a good out to break up. You still have the opportunity to take advantage of it.

If/When you break it off, don't feel the need to jump into a relationship with the next girl who rides your dick. Enjoy different experiences and get some action from random women. The abundance mentality will always be on your side, especially when you consider the options of an LTR.

[Guitarman]

"
Genre: Informal\n Female = 1881\n Male = 1592\n Difference = -289; 45.83%\n Verdict: Weak FEMALE "

Weak emphasis could indicate European"

"Genre: Formal\n Female = 1896\n Male = 945\n Difference = -951; 33.26%\n Verdict: FEMALE"

Something about the OPs posts set my "Troll-dar" off.

[BillyTalented]

Did it, feels good to be done with it. Wasn't easy tho, blocked number and fb too. And Guitarman appreciate concern in keeping the forum clean but im not a chick or troll, honestly just a noob seeking advice on the noob forum. I've been lurking the forum for some time look at the amount of likes given. If you need more proof send me a message and will confirm no homo