[Jetset]

Perhaps relevant, from today's Wall Street Journal:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-link-be...6?mod=e2fb

Quote:

The researchers used retrospective questionnaires to probe parenting and sexual experiences that the women—who were between 18 and 36 at the time of the study—recalled from high school. Sexual risk-taking included promiscuity, unprotected sex and sex while intoxicated. Older and younger sisters reported similar levels of mothering quality, whether their families were intact or disrupted.

But the most striking finding was in older sisters with a large age gap in the disrupted families. The father’s behavior, for better or worse, usually affected the older sister much more than her younger sibling.

If these older sisters communicated well with their fathers and felt close to them, they experienced much more parental monitoring and hung out far less with sexually risk-prone peers. But this kind of fathering had much less effect on the younger sisters, many of whom didn’t have enough contact with their father for him to make much of a difference.

These factors explained the older sisters’ behavior. “The prolonged presence of a warm and engaged father can buffer girls against early, high-risk sex,” Dr. DelPriore said. This doesn’t mean that divorced fathers can’t provide quality care. “A silver lining,” she adds, “is that what dad does seems to matter more than parental separation.” In other words, a divorce may be less harmful for a girl than more years with a bad dad.

Obviously, since they gathered the information by asking the women, it might have more to do with how they see their fathers than how their fathers actually were, but still interesting.

[Steelex]

Maybe promiscuous women were shitty kids and were overall less involved with their parents.

[Jetset]

(06-02-2017 02:23 PM)Steelex Wrote:  

Maybe promiscuous women were shitty kids and were overall less involved with their parents.

That's more or less what I was getting at: easily possible that a daughter remembers her father as a terrible parent because she was a terrible child.

Of course, there are legitimately awful fathers in the world, and it's my experience that their daughters are often the particularly terrifying lunatics.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

As I am getting older I have start researching that science in order to filter out those numerous girls with daddy issues:



Contrary to others - I still intend to do with 60 what I do now - though I like to combine things and have a separate family life away from my "hobbies".

[TheMaleBrain]

Older sisters usually have better relations with their parents.
We all agree that having the father around, if he is a strong character and knows (to some extent) what he is doing, will create a more dependable female (I know it is a contradiction) and less promiscuous.

The problem, as I see it, is that younger siblings challenge the parents more (anecdotal evidence I have noticed) and sometimes the parents are "too tired" to parent. This will create a different dynamic.

[Vaun]

BPD/narcissistic mothers I think have a large influence over younger siblings. Especially if its just accepted that mom is the way she is, and dad just accepts it, and the family is intact. And if dad just accepts it, and doesn't clearly exert authority, or inspire the reverence from his wife to provide loving admiration and respect in the home, the younger siblings will see this and just assume that this is the normal family dynamic. That dad should just take it and shut his mouth, because mom is the way she is, and she's going to be that way too. So many screwed up families.

[ksbms]

Well, to drive a car one needs a driving license. A car is a vastly less complex system than humans and their social, culturally embedded interactions. To start, the brain itself is the most complex physical system that we do know of in the observable universe.

But to make and raise children, these super complex systems one doesn't need any formal knowledge or kind of license...

[Lunostrelki]

(06-02-2017 02:40 PM)Jetset Wrote:  

(06-02-2017 02:23 PM)Steelex Wrote:  

Maybe promiscuous women were shitty kids and were overall less involved with their parents.

That's more or less what I was getting at: easily possible that a daughter remembers her father as a terrible parent because she was a terrible child.

Of course, there are legitimately awful fathers in the world, and it's my experience that their daughters are often the particularly terrifying lunatics.

I think the issue is that girls require strong frame and paternal discipline to raise well (i.e. to not spoil her). Sons, in addition to being less likely to be spoiled, have the masculine nature to develop some sense of responsibility independent--to some extent--of what their parents are like.

[ed pluribus unum]

(06-13-2017 06:01 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

But to make and raise children, these super complex systems one doesn't need any formal knowledge or kind of license...

The human race seems to have made it ok this far without needing "parent licenses"...

[goodington]

Thanks to bad parenting, the Millennial generation is probably the most psychologically fucked up at least since the men of the silent generation all came home from the war with PTSD. The prevalence of anxiety issues, narcissism, BPD and other disorders is truly frightening.

[Premium]

I watched a startling PBS special.....toddlers by the age of 4 had developed there own personality for the rest of there lives....meaning with rare instances parents could not change how a child would think or act in the future.

of course that doesn't stop the shrinks who are now trying to find/isolate out the kid group which may exhibit anti social behavior...and fix it long before a kid reaches adulthood.

That said our environment is full of micro toxins (lead,mercury, aluminum..e.t.c) the effect of brain development is unknown but we can see something is not right with the species.....nano nutrients (yes nano) at the cell level (drives everything) is big science...what nano-crap are the cells being subjected too?

I'll add "thalidomide" babies......remember this (small flipper limbs)...all it took was a pain killer? a pill
I was shocked the amount of people doctors are pushing pills on...anxiety..pain...anti depressants... all these pills have micro chemicals or nano with names I cannot even pronounce....this to me "the zombies"are making babies...along with alcohol and crack head babies....but tranquilizers (all mood drugs) are a "acceptable norm" and overlooked

Last item...estrogen from women's menstrual cycles flushed into rivers and making male fish babies turn fish female.....and that same water people drink.

Do I now if any of the above cause's mental issues or daddy issues all I can say don't ask a teenager..ask a 4 year old

[questor70]

(06-13-2017 06:10 AM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  

girls require strong frame and paternal discipline to raise well (i.e. to not spoil her).

It's not that simple. It has to be in some Goldilocks zone. A big reason one of my exes was so F'd up wasn't that she didn't have enough discipline but that her dad beat her with a belt. Then after a long marriage with a failed musician she wound up in an affair with a much older guy in Australia. The appeal of that guy was that he felt alpha and yet never ever confronted her on her flaws and vices (of which there were many). So her way of compensating for the over-discipline was to find a father-figure to spoil her.

[Jetset]

(06-14-2017 08:50 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

So her way of compensating for the over-discipline was to find a father-figure to spoil her.

This is something I've seen, too. Dad's a control freak who yells a lot, so she ends up with some convict who sells drugs and doesn't give a shit about anything.

Of course, he ends up yelling a lot, too, because she's nuts and somehow putting another layer of ruination on his already-ruined life.

[goodington]

It's much like the typical push/pull dynamic, but amped up a notch or two. A sense of amused mastery (when she acts up, don't lose your cool) coupled with occasional selfless behavior. If all goes well she will go out of her way too please you, and when you provide positive reinforcement she will yearn for more by striving to please you again and again.

Just like the father she always wishes she had...

[Kid Twist]

(06-13-2017 08:22 PM)Premium Wrote:  

I watched a startling PBS special.....toddlers by the age of 4 had developed there own personality for the rest of there lives....meaning with rare instances parents could not change how a child would think or act in the future.

Whoa whoa whoa ... PBS ... personality .. ok ... then from age 4 on parents have no effect on their children's actions or decisions?

Sounds like we humans just changed from rearing our kids for LONG periods of time to being tadpoles.

Simplify much?

[PapayaTapper]

(06-13-2017 08:22 PM)Premium Wrote:  

I watched a startling PBS special.....toddlers by the age of 4 had developed there own personality for the rest of there lives....meaning with rare instances parents could not change how a child would think or act in the future.

of course that doesn't stop the shrinks who are now trying to find/isolate out the kid group which may exhibit anti social behavior...and fix it long before a kid reaches adulthood.

That said our environment is full of micro toxins (lead,mercury, aluminum..e.t.c) the effect of brain development is unknown but we can see something is not right with the species.....nano nutrients (yes nano) at the cell level (drives everything) is big science...what nano-crap are the cells being subjected too?

I'll add "thalidomide" babies......remember this (small flipper limbs)...all it took was a pain killer? a pill
I was shocked the amount of people doctors are pushing pills on...anxiety..pain...anti depressants... all these pills have micro chemicals or nano with names I cannot even pronounce....this to me "the zombies"are making babies...along with alcohol and crack head babies....but tranquilizers (all mood drugs) are a "acceptable norm" and overlooked

Last item...estrogen from women's menstrual cycles flushed into rivers and making male fish babies turn fish female.....and that same water people drink.

Do I now if any of the above cause's mental issues or daddy issues all I can say don't ask a teenager..ask a 4 year old

I definitely think there's something in the water up there in Canada

[Lunostrelki]

(06-14-2017 08:50 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 06:10 AM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  

girls require strong frame and paternal discipline to raise well (i.e. to not spoil her).

It's not that simple. It has to be in some Goldilocks zone. A big reason one of my exes was so F'd up wasn't that she didn't have enough discipline but that her dad beat her with a belt. Then after a long marriage with a failed musician she wound up in an affair with a much older guy in Australia. The appeal of that guy was that he felt alpha and yet never ever confronted her on her flaws and vices (of which there were many). So her way of compensating for the over-discipline was to find a father-figure to spoil her.

Beating someone with a belt isn't discipline. Discipline is having standards of conduct and building camaraderie around those standards. Establishing this takes a man with strong willpower.

[Premium]

@PapayaTapper Thanks for adding/subtracting to the discussion..nothing in the pristine waters of Canada

One of the tests on 4 yr old's...was to place a treat on a plate and tell the kids if you don't eat the candy for 10 minutes we'll give you two treats.

results were kids that had self control and didn't eat the candy...the study found (not going into years of following the kids) were successful in life

the kids that ate the candy right away... because of no self control...had problems

This b.t.w was done with great parents

the study refutes "parenting" male female has nothing to do with personality development.

So look somewhere else for "daddy issues"...probably media or evolution.. being that older guys have the cash, security and wisdom that most people lack....and females need

[goodington]

It is true that a certain segment of women gravitate to older men because guys their own age are lacking in maturity, and there would be probably be more of them if social norms were not so hostile to relatively large age gaps.

[PapayaTapper]

Ok

(06-14-2017 10:29 PM)Premium Wrote:  

@PapayaTapper Thanks for adding/subtracting to the discussion..nothing in the pristine waters of Canada

One of the tests on 4 yr old's...was to place a treat on a plate and tell the kids if you don't eat the candy for 10 minutes we'll give you two treats.

results were kids that had self control and didn't eat the candy...the study found (not going into years of following the kids) were successful in life

the kids that ate the candy right away... because of no self control...had problems

This b.t.w was done with great parents

the study refutes "parenting" male female has nothing to do with personality development.

So look somewhere else for "daddy issues"...probably media or evolution.. being that older guys have the cash, security and wisdom that most people lack....and females need

(06-13-2017 08:22 PM)Premium Wrote:  

I watched a startling PBS special.....toddlers by the age of 4 had developed there own personality for the rest of there lives....meaning with rare instances parents could not change how a child would think or act in the future.

Horseshit

You think a 4 yo girl is already pre-determined to be what she will be regardless of parental influence?

Horseshit


The "Nature vs Nurture" debate has been exhaustively studied for years


Meta-analysis of the heritability of human traits based on fifty years of twin studies

Quote:

The recent study, published in the journal Nature Genetics, is the result of the collaboration between Dr. Beben Benyamin from the Queensland Brain Institute and researchers at the VU University of Amsterdam. They reviewed nearly every twin study ever done in the past 50 years. The impressive global twin review revealed that, on average, the variation for human traits and diseases is split almost equally.

“When visiting the nature versus nurture debate, there is overwhelming evidence that both genetic and environmental factors can influence traits and diseases,” Benyamin said in the press release. “What is comforting is that, on average, about 50 percent of individual differences are genetic and 50 percent are environmental.

Quote:

Despite a century of research on complex traits in humans, the relative importance and specific nature of the influences of genes and environment on human traits remain controversial. We report a meta-analysis of twin correlations and reported variance components for 17,804 traits from 2,748 publications including 14,558,903 partly dependent twin pairs, virtually all published twin studies of complex traits. Estimates of heritability cluster strongly within functional domains, and across all traits the reported heritability is 49%. For a majority (69%) of traits, the observed twin correlations are consistent with a simple and parsimonious model where twin resemblance is solely due to additive genetic variation. The data are inconsistent with substantial influences from shared environment or non-additive genetic variation. This study provides the most comprehensive analysis of the causes of individual differences in human traits thus far and will guide future gene-mapping efforts

Source

and oh yeah


PBS

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