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Struggling with finding purpose.
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Struggling with finding purpose.

"I dont care all that much about money or tangible things, memories and the moment is all I ever cared for"

"I dont want to read about other countries, their food, their women, their people, their sights, I want to be there, experince it myself, feel it."

that's the perfect attitude for a guy your age. just make sure you're working hard every day to make it happen. like i said, lift, work on your style, study languages, and figure out how to save money/generate an income stream. for example, when i was learning russian, i committed to at least two hours of study a day, and i kept that up for years. very hard work, but totally worthy it. it might take a year or two for you to figure out how to take off for EE, latin america, or wherever it is you want to go, but you're young and you've got time.

Feminism in ten words: "Stop objectifying women! Can't you see I've hit the wall?" -Leonard D Neubache
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#27

Struggling with finding purpose.

N°6's post was a good, concise answer. I'll expand on it a bit.

The modern Western world is entirely materialist in nature, rejecting all spirituality as archaic, pre-scientific foolishness. The result is that in this modern world, men are reduced to seeking meaning only through materialistic methods - essentially, through indulging the flesh and the ego. With a materialistic perspective, everything you do will ultimately be in service to the flesh or the ego. You will essentially be reduced to pleasure seeking - either directly to the flesh (sex, drugs, etc...) or through the ego (traveling, gaining accolades and accomplishments, building a legacy, etc...). Unfortunately for the materialist, these these activities ultimately are mere distractions. They cannot provide a deeper meaning because they are, by definition, limited to the material world, and the material world is forever in a state of decay. Everything you accomplish in the material world will vanish at your death or turn to dust at some point after. This is the inescapable truth of the reality we inhabit.

In pre-modern times, the truth of this fact was much more apparent due to the difficulty and fragility of life, and as a result people had a better and more concrete understanding of the ultimate meaninglessness of material life. Up until the 20th century child mortality rates were approaching 50% even in (relatively) prosperous Western nations. Essentially, half of people born for most of history didn't even survive past the age of twenty. That's how hard life used to be. War, famine and disease were the norm. Death was a constant threat and companion. If it didn't come for you, it came for someone you knew or loved. Today, we don't experience the starkness of death with nearly the same regularly and familiarity that our ancestors did. As a result of losing proximity to death, we have consequently lost our understanding of life.

Reflecting on the inescapable and ever-present reality of death guides us away from a materialistic view, since it reminds us that our stay here, however long it might be and however much we accomplish in its duration, is ultimately a temporary one. This helps to align us toward a proper spiritual perspective that focuses on the soul rather than the flesh it temporarily inhabits. Ignoring the spiritual element of life results in those all-too-common conditions we recognize today as depression, ennui, apathy and lack of purpose. These are the fruits of a man who is spiritually void. And be certain, only the modern day materialist, utterly spoiled and distracted by his wealth of technology can afford to be so spiritually impoverished. He is the only man in history who has been so insulated from death, pain and hardship. His philosophy of life - if one could even dignify it as such - is infantile to the point of absurdity. His ancestors would view him as a shallow and silly person, as one who completely missed the forest for the trees, and who essentially occupied his life with nothing more than meaningless navel-gazing.

The Book of Ecclesiastes has (rightfully) been recommend in this thread as offering guidance on how to live. This is its penultimate verse:

Ecclesiastes 12:13
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

[size=8pt]"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.”[/size] [size=7pt] - Romans 8:18[/size]
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#28

Struggling with finding purpose.

I was about to start a new thread and used the search function to find this golden thread, exactly what I needed. Thanks to TheDuncan for stating the thread.

I Will ask you guys for advice, here is the preface. I am in 42, Family, Kids, Secure respectable and high income Job, Debt Free, Great Health. etc etc.

When people ask me how are you doing, My answer is I have no complaints. I literally have none, I have been blessed. I can not ask for a better wife, I can not ask for better kids, I can not ask for a better Job. I mostly do whatever I desire but lately I feel like my life is just floating as echoed by others.

There is no more excitement, I set out to achieve a Career , I did it. I set to game girls of my liking and I did it. I wanted to be Debt Free and I am. I wanted to read a lot of books and I am reading atleast one book a month. I wanted to travel and I do. Still something seems missing ...... "Purpose of Life"

Seven years ago after getting where I wanted to be professionally i realized that I had been unsuccessful with ladies and searching lead to forum and much thanks to Roosh and you all that department got satisfied. After crossing # 100, that desire isn't burning as strong. I can put the gaming gears in action only if the Girl is exceptionally hot and young.

Summer of 2015 after surviving battle of Canada I thought "Fighting for Men's Rights" should be a decent purpose in life and or Philanthropic work.

I combed through the forum as I know men more Intelligent than me are here and found few Gem of posts in other threads . Here is one by Black Knight


Quote: (01-30-2016 03:09 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

I much rather be 35 living on 60k/year (or whatever 120k USA equivalent is) surrounded by hot latinas and maybe even starting a family somewhere in South America or doing whatever I want pursuing a purpose vs being 55 but having 3.5 million/year but having lost a lot of younger years to simply chasing money.

The following video is very relevant in light of what Sigma said about how retirement/having a lot of money can feel boring and meaningless. It's President Nixon post-resignation talking about life and living one with a purpose. I've posted it before. It's real talk and I think is something everyone reading this thread should watch and keep in mind when pursing passive income goals. In that, if and when you make it to your goal of not needing to work anymore: what's next? What will the next fight be?

Again, it's something I feel every man here should always be thinking about prior to reaching their passive income objectives.




Great Insight by President Nixon, From what I gather, man wants to struggle to feel like there is a purpose in Life. I can relate to that as I remember at any point in my life when I was struggling there was no void, Now that life is easy peasy I feel the void.

Here is another post by NASA test pilot and reading this I felt like Ok this should be the purpose of my life but no ...........

Quote: (02-07-2016 09:27 PM)NASA Test Pilot Wrote:  

I will give some context first. Self-mastery has been at the core of my life. I am a Stoic by nature and not an Epicurean. Virtue is sufficient for happiness. My father always taught me to understand myself before I sought to understand others as well as to live below my means and slowly raise this standard as life moved along. I have no bold desire to change mankind (rather I focus on my actions and the people with whom I interact at any given moment), nor have I any major financial limitations. If I want to rent a jet, I will. If I want someone to clean my house I will pay them. If I want to stay up all night or party until the break of dawn, so be it. The reality is that for reasons of self-discipline and lessons in humility taught by my mother, I clean my own house, etc. I understand there is a trade-off in utility in the form of time. Therefore, understanding my own values and living congruently with them is critical. I am not perfect and I make errors, I learn from them and get back on the horse like most men.

For some people having millions and millions of dollars (euros) or unlimited free time can get in the way and create a barrier between the values inside of them and what they project on the screen of life. Having said that I do not do without and I have become more hedonistic (relatively speaking) in my retirement.

I am an explorer by nature and I have touched all 7 continents and been to 156 countries. When I visit a country I enjoy staying for months rather than weeks and I explore the towns, the cities or the islands. I try to integrate with the population as if I am a member of the community. Sometimes the exploring is alone and sometimes in the company of others whether they are good male friends or a female companion.

My days are generally broken into two parts, I am more physically active when there is sunlight dominating the sky and more mentally active when there is moonlight (or less light). When someone asks me what time it is, I normally answer day-time or night-time as I really do not know or care (but I can guess in the day by the height of the sun in the sky and where I am geographically or at night by how tired I am). I do not know what day of the week it is unless I have some type of appointment and then I need to get a reference somewhere.

There are times when I wish that there were more hours in the day because I feel like a boy that is playing with his friends when his mother is calling him to come to dinner and he wants to continue doing his activities. For the last 10 years I have been sailing and surfing around the world chasing the endless summer, so there is the context of motion; as there has been for my entire life. Sometimes I sail alone, sometimes with close friends, sometimes with female companions. I have a number of houses on various continents so there are places that are less in motion relatively speaking.

If there are waves I will literally attempt to surf all day (pre-dawn to twilight) and sometimes with an occasional night surfing session when the moonlight is good and I am not in an area populated with sharks. As the years move forward, I take longer rest periods in between surfing sets and the practical reality is that there are many days when there is little surf or moderate surf. This is a passion and that is the key; I literally want to surf more at the end of the day. The second physical activity is swimming. I began swimming at age four and was competing at age six. I swam collegiately and internationally. Even in my 50´s I get in and train with the 19-27 year olds and we train weights in the morning, 2-2.5 hours swimming during morning practice, dryland training in the afternoon followed by 2-2.5 hours swimming during afternoon practice in pools around the world with various collegiate and national teams.

I have a huge network built and I metaphorically have a credit card that allows me to get in a train almost anywhere on the planet. I do it because I really love it, pushing myself, competing and just being in the water. If I am not in the water in some form for over 3 days I am literally taking 3 showers a day. Again it is a passion. Thirdly, I play 2-man sand volleyball. I played competitively domestically and internationally. Having my feet in the sand, with the sun shining down on my back and a slight ocean breeze across my face while being in rhythm with my team mate as we hammer the ball back and forth is a great feeling that I get to experience over and over in a game, a tournament or in practice. I usually play up to 2 hours per day, but while in training it is 1 hour in the morning and 1 ½ - 2 hours in the afternoon. The guys with whom I play are 95% in 20-30 years of age, and like my other activities; the youthful and playful mindset are the keys. The fourth activity is the martial arts. I have been a practitioner for over 45 years to include monastic training for a few years when I was a young boy. Congruency with the first three activities naturally leads to more game than I am capable of handling.

After these main activities I have numerous related activities. I will do most activities related to the water or air, I kite-surf, wind-surf, scuba dive, hang-glide, etc. I literally do not have enough time and I continuously look forward to my activities the next day as I am unsure as to how it will unfold even though I may have a general plan. There is normally a sense of wonder as my day unfolds. I am constantly interacting with my natural environment. Each day is different and is full of life. Sometimes there are less people and less interactions, sometimes there are more. I also am active assisting and giving back to others in all of the four activities listed above. This is a key for me as I find during the process of focusing on others, many of my internal problems fade and I have no weight on my shoulders.

At night I focus on my mental (and spiritual activities). I have always been a voracious reader. For my entire adult life I have been studying. Sometimes it was studying for degrees, but most of the time it is/was studying for the joy of learning and self-mastery. I would usually study a different subject of interest for 18-30 months, less as I have gotten older. I reach deeper into the subject until something internally says, that is enough, and I pause for a month or two and begin something different. I wish I had multiple life times to learn all of the things that I want to learn; however, this simply pushes me to prioritize. I never knew this Man-o-sphere existed, but I find the principles embodied here similar to how I have been living my adult life, so I smile at the synchronicity and truly enjoy the context. I am also continuously studying the laws and legal games of numerous nations and the various financial entities around the world as they attempt to limited and restrict my movement by attempting to take control of my ass as well as diminish and confiscate my assets.

I also have spent a significant amount of time contemplating while being retired. In the middle of the Pacific Ocean under sail at night, or anchored in some bay on a relatively uninhabited island with not a soul around and a million stars makes for some unique opportunities night after night, as does coming through a storm at the helm after not sleeping for days. I also have the opportunity to explore and practice the more deeply internal side of the martial arts. When others are onboard or I am visiting on the land, I enjoy socializing to better my communications skills, reading people and learning what they have to offer from their lifetime of experience. This last one I consider a true honor as the others are willing to share the wealth of their life with me or the small group. I find that I learn a lot about myself by listening to others and I remember one of my childhood lessons of listening twice as much as I talk as I have two ears and only one mouth.

As I alluded in another post, I am never bored and my days (evenings) are full of life. I hope this satisfies some of the PM questions as I endeavor to tread the line between sharing and conceit.

After reading the post above I thought this is what the purpose of life should be ....... To become Location Independent and Do whatever I want to do but part of me thinks Wouldn't that be a superficial purpose to seek my own pleasure all the time ? and if yes that would get old after a while too.

So after going through a lot of posts I still can not find what the purpose of my life should be at this point. I certainly would not be chasing Money or Girls.

and then I read Scorpion's post which is a different perspective from NASA Test Pilot but I lean more towards what he is saying.

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The modern Western world is entirely materialist in nature, rejecting all spirituality as archaic, pre-scientific foolishness. The result is that in this modern world, men are reduced to seeking meaning only through materialistic methods - essentially, through indulging the flesh and the ego. With a materialistic perspective, everything you do will ultimately be in service to the flesh or the ego. You will essentially be reduced to pleasure seeking - either directly to the flesh (sex, drugs, etc...) or through the ego (traveling, gaining accolades and accomplishments, building a legacy, etc...). Unfortunately for the materialist, these these activities ultimately are mere distractions. They cannot provide a deeper meaning because they are, by definition, limited to the material world, and the material world is forever in a state of decay. Everything you accomplish in the material world will vanish at your death or turn to dust at some point after. This is the inescapable truth of the reality we inhabit.

In pre-modern times, the truth of this fact was much more apparent due to the difficulty and fragility of life, and as a result people had a better and more concrete understanding of the ultimate meaninglessness of material life. Up until the 20th century child mortality rates were approaching 50% even in (relatively) prosperous Western nations. Essentially, half of people born for most of history didn't even survive past the age of twenty. That's how hard life used to be. War, famine and disease were the norm. Death was a constant threat and companion. If it didn't come for you, it came for someone you knew or loved. Today, we don't experience the starkness of death with nearly the same regularly and familiarity that our ancestors did. As a result of losing proximity to death, we have consequently lost our understanding of life.

Reflecting on the inescapable and ever-present reality of death guides us away from a materialistic view, since it reminds us that our stay here, however long it might be and however much we accomplish in its duration, is ultimately a temporary one. This helps to align us toward a proper spiritual perspective that focuses on the soul rather than the flesh it temporarily inhabits. Ignoring the spiritual element of life results in those all-too-common conditions we recognize today as depression, ennui, apathy and lack of purpose. These are the fruits of a man who is spiritually void. And be certain, only the modern day materialist, utterly spoiled and distracted by his wealth of technology can afford to be so spiritually impoverished. He is the only man in history who has been so insulated from death, pain and hardship. His philosophy of life - if one could even dignify it as such - is infantile to the point of absurdity. His ancestors would view him as a shallow and silly person, as one who completely missed the forest for the trees, and who essentially occupied his life with nothing more than meaningless navel-gazing.

The Book of Ecclesiastes has (rightfully) been recommend in this thread as offering guidance on how to live. This is its penultimate verse:

Ecclesiastes 12:13
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.


My Own Inference: I could be gravely wrong, Steer me in the right direction if you can my brothers.

As someone stated before to start a few projects and see if you find meaning and purpose in it and if yes run with it or quit it.

Musculinity: Currently I want to do something to protect the rights of Men in Western Society but having teenage kids I am bound to the system where this can lead to my professional demise, so what I ever I do has to be done covertly and I will keep on doing as much as I can.

Philanthropy: Call me crazy. Even as a kid I had delusions that God wants me to do something Big. I have roots from a third world country and sometimes I want to reform the Healthcare system in that part of the world or have clean drinking water system placed or provide a chance of education to a bright young kid that would make a difference for his entire family.

Third option: Develop the spiritual self, submit to the higher power and life simply fulfilling the ten commandments and spread as much good as I can on a day to day basis to the people I come in contact with.

May be Life really is not supposed to have a purpose and I am way overthinking it. My apologies for such a long post and bearing with the Mental masturbation.

Any insight is greatly appreciated, Thanks in advance.

"You can not fake good kids" - Mike Pence
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Quote: (12-31-2015 07:42 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

Something I'd add that I've been thinking about a lot recently as I've moved into the second half of my twenties:

Lack of purpose is not the problem, it is a symptom of a deeper malaise - mediocrity and excessive comfort. Life is about the highs and the lows. We need struggle, triumph and disaster, fleeting success and deep abiding failure. To really live, we need the threat of a kind of death to be constantly hovering over us, whether it is social, financial, or literal, we need circumstances to set ourselves against. Unfortunately, the lives most of us lead mean we allow ourselves to be robbed of this opportunity, by and large. We can turn up unthinkingly day after day, do just enough without really exerting ourselves, and get well enough remunerated for it. As a result, we can afford an adequate accommodation, enough food, enough time and money for moderate socialising, healthcare etc.

The reason you don't have a purpose is because all your decisions are more or less made for you, and life just floats on by, not too good, not too bad. Like it or not, the threat of real disaster in any arena of life is exciting to your true nature. Purpose is always survival, or 'thrival', in meaningful circumstances - that, in essence, is the human condition, to struggle against adversity and triumph for a while - to measure our internal selves against external stimulus, and to prevail.

Purpose will find you, whatever you're doing, when doing the bare minimum is no longer acceptable. This sounds lofty, but really it is not. There is as much purpose on a building site as there is in a laboratory, provided you are looking for it, not allowing modernity to rob you of it. It is a choice. It is a harder choice when your job is soft and comfortable, no doubt. Dangerous work makes it easier to find purpose, whether that is being a soldier, an off-shore oil rig worker, starting a company, etc etc. When there is the constant, real threat of danger or defeat, you will find purpose, and it will drive you on. This is why men who do dangerous work form deeper bonds between each other, why people in these professions seem to have so much more vitality, and I suspect why PTSD and addiction are such a problem for them once they stop - they move from an environment where their purpose is clear, simple and constant, and move into an environment where, like you, they do not know how to find things to struggle against. Find a way to struggle and you will find purpose. Boredom is the greatest threat to the soul.

I can certainly agree with this post.
As a former Oil Rig worker I made the move to a job onshore and although it paid more it has never been as interesting, hazardous, fulfilling or enjoyable as my previous role. I found/find the "average" office workers (I am talking UK London here) to be a bunch of pussy-whipped mediocre fuckwits and that offices tend to be overtly feminine. It has taken me while (and this forum) to come to the conclusion that a person like me will never find fulfilment in a place like this and this is something in will be addressing.

Boredom is the greatest threat to the soul.

You only get one ride on this merry-go-round, you owe it to yourself to be something incredible, let the other 99% do the mundane shit think big and good things happen, you may fail occasionally, but that is part of the process and those are the lessons that teach the most!

Now, if only I can listen to me own advice..........
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#30

Struggling with finding purpose.

Quote: (02-17-2016 12:18 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

As someone stated before to start a few projects and see if you find meaning and purpose in it and if yes run with it or quit it.

Musculinity: Currently I want to do something to protect the rights of Men in Western Society but having teenage kids I am bound to the system where this can lead to my professional demise, so what I ever I do has to be done covertly and I will keep on doing as much as I can.

Philanthropy: Call me crazy. Even as a kid I had delusions that God wants me to do something Big. I have roots from a third world country and sometimes I want to reform the Healthcare system in that part of the world or have clean drinking water system placed or provide a chance of education to a bright young kid that would make a difference for his entire family.

Third option: Develop the spiritual self, submit to the higher power and life simply fulfilling the ten commandments and spread as much good as I can on a day to day basis to the people I come in contact with.

May be Life really is not supposed to have a purpose and I am way overthinking it. My apologies for such a long post and bearing with the Mental masturbation.

Any insight is greatly appreciated, Thanks in advance.

Well, none of us can tell you what your purpose in life should be. That's up to you. But since you are a God-fearing man, rather than asking 'What is my purpose in life?', perhaps the better question is, 'What is God's purpose for my life?'

As for your goals, I don't see why you can't do all three. Real religion is patriarchal anyway, so promoting religion by being religious is also upholding masculinity. Doing good on the side will only solidify your character against attacks on your personality - if someone claims that you are sexist, for example, you could snidely remark, "I built a well that provides clean water for 15 women in a third world hell-hole, what have you done to benefit women?"
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Quote: (02-18-2016 09:02 AM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

Well, none of us can tell you what your purpose in life should be. That's up to you. But since you are a God-fearing man, rather than asking 'What is my purpose in life?', perhaps the better question is, 'What is God's purpose for my life?'

As for your goals, I don't see why you can't do all three. Real religion is patriarchal anyway, so promoting religion by being religious is also upholding masculinity. Doing good on the side will only solidify your character against attacks on your personality - if someone claims that you are sexist, for example, you could snidely remark, "I built a well that provides clean water for 15 women in a third world hell-hole, what have you done to benefit women?"

Thanks Thomas the Rhymer I agree whole heartedly with you that only I can answer what is the purpose of my Life but you have shown me some Insight which I will explore.

Kindly expand on what do you think about "What is God's purpose of our life ?". Any books you recommend to read on the subject matter ? I am putting some other books you recommended in an earlier post on my list.

"You can not fake good kids" - Mike Pence
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#32

Struggling with finding purpose.

Good podcast by QC on this topic:




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#33

Struggling with finding purpose.

Mate, I was in the same situation a couple of years back. Let me tell you my story:

Background:

I am in my late 20´s. I have 2 degrees, speak 4 languages, my own apartment, an European car, a solid 8 LTR, nice pussy on the side, I have to travel over 35 countries, 10% body fat. I also play guitar in a band and have a well paid corporate job.

In order to accomplish all of the above I distance myself from my loved ones (Family) and I became somehow ¨miserable¨ or without a ¨purpose¨.

I just stopped smiling. I became cold and distant to people. All I wanted is more sex, more money, better cars,etc....etc...I felt like I fueled every single part of myself except for my soul. My true friends did not recognize me anymore. I knew I had to find myself again.

You know what I did?

1. Low budget travel
2. Helping people
3. Spend more time with my family

I met incredible people in hostels / couchsurfing / hitchhiking.
I helped the poor, rescued animals, volunteer in hospitals,etc...
I got my family back

Now, I am truly happy and living the moment. I stopped thinking in the meaning of life and the future and just enjoy the present.

I wish you the best.

Quote: (01-09-2016 03:06 AM)TheDuncan Wrote:  

So its late right now, I cant sleep and I im just thinking about life, what I want, what is it that is a worthy life to me.

I always come to the same conclusion, I dont care all that much about money or tangible things, memories and the moment is all I ever cared for, what is it that I would do if I had a billion dollars? Not buy a yacht or cars or anything; I would travel, different states, countries, I want to meet new and interesting people, I want tales to tell, I want experiences, funny stories, moments, memories that will stay in my mind, experiences and people that I can learn from, I want to experience the good and the bad, everything that the world has to offer.

I dont want to read about other countries, their food, their women, their people, their sights, I want to be there, experince it myself, feel it.

In short on my deathbed I want a book worth reading, a book where 80% is not me working at the same place just to pay bills or save up for my kids college or some tangible thing that I always dreamed of, I understand some people are ok with that, with living or striving for the "American Dream", house, family, steady job, retirement.

As we all do we grow and change so maybe by the time im in my mid 30's I will look at life differently but as of this moment that is what I want, I just have to figure out how to achive this, I dont care about having a big savings of money when I die, I only need money to do what I want in the now, to live in the moment.

Im a bit rambling but that is what I want out of life, perhaps my "purpose" is to live how I want.

The harder you practice, the luckier you get.
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Quote: (02-19-2016 08:19 AM)Palo_alto Wrote:  

I met incredible people in hostels / couchsurfing / hitchhiking.
I helped the poor, rescued animals, volunteer in hospitals,etc...
I got my family back

Now, I am truly happy and living the moment. I stopped thinking in the meaning of life and the future and just enjoy the present.

This is an interesting perspective.

I feel like I did the reverse here; I did a lot of low budget travel, volunteered, worked in hostels, hitch-hiked and spent a lot of time with different people.

Now I work solidly and distanced myself from friends, I've earnt more money in the last year then I ever have before but I'm miserable.. i've become detached and emotionally numb, you have to in order to build that discipline but I think back a couple of years to when I was living a very opposite life and sure I was poorer but life was fulfilling.

I guess it's all part of the ebb and flow of life, you have to experience the polarities in order to understand and find balance.
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#35

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Op:

Lots of good advice here. We all go through funks in life with the inevitable highs and lows.
What worked for me includes items below

1. Family / good friend support

2. Go to the gym - hit some heavy weights with compound exercises to get some endorphins going

3. Clean up your diet and get clean foods / cut processed and fast food out

4. Stop all use of drugs and alcohol - if you are partaking

5. Cut out all negativity with friends , surroundings Etc.
People that complaint constantly and are negative will only drag you down.
I even phased out contractors / office staff who worked for me in my real estate business as they complained or were too negative.
My productivity skyrocketed after cleaning up house.

6. Most importantly , Find purpose in your life. Many of us are not motivated by money , materialism etc
I myself am one of those. Winning the lottery would change absolutely nothing in my daily routine, where I live or what car I drive.
However , ultimately you must have a feeling of a struggle working towards something In order have a sense of accomplishment.
Without a sense of accomplishment , boredom , despair , and confusion will consume your thoughts. This in turn has the potential to destroy even the strongest of us.

In conclusion, you are young and have many options depending ultimately on what course you take.
Stay positive , keep moving forward and forget the damn past as its all just noise.

Best of luck to you.
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Here is an edited version of a PM that I sent.

The reference of the original post was on a thread about how much is enough in terms of retirement and it was in response to some PM´s about what do I do with my time in regard to body and mind. The context was more activity based rather than ontologically based, in that I was addressing meaning and purpose indirectly, but there is a definite relation. My statement about not having a bold desire to change the world was in the context of not changing the world on a grand scale with a singular action or deed or being someone that is historically relevant to the masses. The intent was to focus on changing myself and thereby change the relations that I have with the people in the (my) world. It is my contention that this can and does change the (my) world in a very small way, one action at a time, one person at a time. I cannot say how they all tie together and what effect they have, but logic and experience show me that it is something more than if I did nothing. Good, bad or indifferent, this is part of the way I operate.

I wish I had some epiphany for you, but all I can offer is my experience. I will attempt to address your query using part of my life as an example, but I will be limited, so take from it and build.

In brief, my natural, philosophical, and spiritual views are three fold. I use all three of these words not as the eclecticism of a neophyte who does not understand himself or the world, but rather as they each illustrate part of my past experience in a synthetic fashion. This is important in that I am of the view that if we do not understand the past (on both personal and historic levels, being concerned with personal here as it relates to you and me) then we will not understand our position in the world (on many levels) in the present and we are lost. When we are not centered in the present, the future (which is where I believe purpose is directing) seems hazy and uncertain. This can be circular with seeming contradictions so I many need unfold the idea, but I do not want to get into a large treatise now. Therefore, from my perspective, shedding light on purpose means understanding the (my) past and the (my) present. I am not saying that I am right is some objective sense, this is simply me expressing, one man to another, what I have learned based on who I am.

Firstly is my genetic heritage which includes Western European and Native American traditions; secondly is a classical education (trivium and quadrium) to include Latin and Greek; thirdly is Catholic (Augustinian) and Buddhist monastic (Vajrayana) traditions with martial arts. The three are connected and involve some circularity.

Because of my heritage, I feel a strong connection to the past in terms of those who have gone before me; my father, my grandfather, my great grandfather and so on, I also experience this on a more basic level with my mother and my grandmother, but there is a strong connection. Not only do I feel connected to them, but to their deeds, their ideals and more. This sense of ancestral connection is also deep in my martial arts tradition that flows throughout Chinese and Tibetan history. These roots give me stability in the present. I am not trying to be mushy or wishy-washy, it is difficult to explain, it is simply a feeling of having a place in the continuity of time; something like tradition but deeper. Being rooted in the present means that I am able to more accurately use my classic education (of using critical thinking in alignment with my senses) to be more sure and derive a greater sense of factual certainty from my surroundings. This gives me a firm base even before I practice things like qigong and apply it in the martial sense. Doing these activities (from honoring those who have gone before me on the path, to thinking critically to qigong) for the sake of doing them is its own reward. There are positive external (and internal) consequences, but I do not do them for that reason, they are simply the effects. The cause comes from within. It is like a fire burning in my belly and for me not to do them is to put myself in position where I experience being unbalanced, unnatural, and unhappy. To distinguish what is natural from a learned response is yet another topic.

It is not possible to discuss the totality of my experience in a short space, but I will try to use a general example of a large swath of my life to illustrate. The large swath is flying and military service, while the more detailed part will be as a test pilot. Recall that our direction is in regard to purpose and finding meaning.

My former job (pilot) was an extension of my dreams. I could not believe that I got paid to do what I did (fly), so it was not a job for me, it was a manifestation of who I was on the inside and that ties to purpose in how I would express these inner (natural and spiritual) impulses. I would literally dream about flying 4 or 5 nights a week from the age of five into my teenage years. In a Greek sense it was Icarean, I wanted to reach for the sun or the heavens. The focus on the what (flying) then transformed into the how (internal and external process involved with flying) I was doing what I was doing, not simply what I was doing (the activity of flying and being a pilot). The how becomes important as it will give greater focus to your purpose. This is part of the transition from what you do to who you are.

Death was an integral part of my previous work…this part is erratic as it is heavily edited… As more of your friends depart the pattern and you recycle through the grieving process multiple times, you become closer during the first few experiences, but you begin to distance in the outer world as the process repeats. It is a self-defense mechanism. Although we share that sense of what the Greeks would call Philia, we each have gone off into a relative form of seclusion from one another (and the world) as it is a reminder of who and what we do not have. In my process I have chosen to focus on what I do have, which is the memory of this group of men and I endeavor to honor that memory and live life well in partial tribute to them. So this is part of my purpose stemming from living my dream and struggling with the reality that unfolds as I (continue to) live(d) my dream.

Part of the remembrance (present rooted in the past pointing toward the future) of my brothers who no longer have the opportunity to walk the land, glide through the sky, float in the water, or feel the fire of life in their heart/belly occurs at a physical level, while other times it is at a mental or emotional level. I want to live a good life and that is its own reward, like virtue for the sake of virtue being its own reward and being sufficient for happiness. There is a fire inside that drives this (I call it the spirit) and I can feel it emotionally, I have a cognitive sense of it mentally and I can sometimes visceral feel it physically.

I find three common elements in the traditions which make up who I am that are relevant to our discussion here. They are struggle, service and spirit. I guess that I will call them the 3 S´s to make it catchy. We do not struggle like we did it the past for basic necessities, but I posit that struggle is part of our (human) nature and without it we do not develop fully. I believe this is true physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually.

Service is how we express our actions (to include our physical labor) toward others or something greater than ourselves (parents, children, friends, co-workers, the man on the street, God, the Great Spirit) on the screen of life. When we choose not to serve or interact with others, various types of problems develop from atomization to helplessness, from narcissism to psychopathy.

Spirit is that fire or impulse that beats your heart and drives you forward. If you are not expressing (and perhaps denying) something on the screen of life that is in your nature and you feel a burning that something is missing or lacking; then I suggest that this is that spirit knocking on the door saying, there is something more. If you listen it will unfold. If you feel nothing or there is no fire in your belly, bounce in your step, passion in your present moment; you will be unable to connect with what will unfold (your future) through purpose to the present moment. The process of inner listening is yet another topic.

Without a vision of the future you are wandering in the dark. Simply by acknowledging that you are looking for purpose and meaning indicates that that spirit/impulse, fire is trying to express. When you are expressing that fire, it does not subside, it actually grows and you want to express more, but the difference is that uneasiness, unhappiness and lack of balance are not present like it was when that impulse was being denied or retarded. It is similar with the sexual impulse as well. I posit that the sexual and spiritual impulses are manifestations of the duality of man and to deny either causes problems. Having said that, I am also of the mindset, that this energy can be harnessed, sublimated and transformed to be of practical benefit should one choose to follow such disciplines.

Furthermore, I put forth the notion that if you are not expressing your spirit, you are actually dying and you can note various signs. If you have no connection with your past you are floating like a feather in the present. If you are not living in the present, you are like a ghost with one foot in one world (the past) and one foot in another world (the future).

I wish that I could express some of this more eloquently, trying to translated more ephemeral and emotive concepts into thoughts and words is challenging, and as I mentioned in the beginning; I will be limited so take from this and build.

NTP

P.S. I was fortunate to have two grandfathers who were pillars in my life. One was a towering, larger than life John Wayne type. The other was a man who exuded strength that radiated from his inner life. My native tradition stems from the second and I am reminded of a story he told me. The story concerns a man´s journey as he is climbing a mountain and the changes that occur as he walks the winding path that circles up the mountain. How his view of the valley and other territories change as he climbs higher and he pauses to rest on different sides of the mountain. How the sun and the rain affects what he sees below and to the east (west, north, or south). The story also examines how the man changes on his inner journey as the season´s progress during his climb. The part that sticks in my mind now, as it relates to our topic, is how the man changes from summer to autumn. He sees less green in the valley, but notices the greater variety of colors. He feels the breeze of a cooler air and puts a light skin over his bare chest as he realizes that warmth of the summer is fading and he looks forward to facing the sun as he notices that it spends less time in the sky than it did on the beginning of his journey.
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Struggling with finding purpose.

Quote: (02-18-2016 10:48 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

Kindly expand on what do you think about "What is God's purpose of our life ?". Any books you recommend to read on the subject matter ?

Well there are some things you can find in books, and some things you can find in prayer. And on the topic of God's purpose for your life, I'd rather encourage you to find it through prayer, which is how I found my current purpose. No book can ever replace your personal relationship with God.
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Struggling with finding purpose.

Meaning in life I think does not come from pleasure or pain by themselves. As far as I can tell it seems to come from within us but not in a quick search and find type of way. Connecting with God and with nature may help you discover what it is that you should do next.
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Struggling with finding purpose.

Well guys I will be joining the Marine Corps in a few months, now I know many have differing opinions on the military and I understand all of them, took me a while to make this decision but I am sticking with it.

I dont go into things seeing only the good or bad, I see both and go from there, I believe there are many benefits I can receive from this and I believe it will help me grow as a man, for me its not so much about the benefits or anything like that as I already mentioned, tangibles are not too important to me, growth as a man is what I desire, there will be many opportunities for me ahead.
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