[Highlander]

Why do you use direct game within the day?
This will scare most women away and those who will keep around, you offer them from the beginning without any reason way way too much validation and attention in my opinion.
Such stuff can work well within clubgaming, but regards to daygame it is usually not the way to go.

[Highlander]

(12-23-2015 12:49 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 02:41 AM)nidall Wrote:  

Me: Cool. Are you a hand model? (I attempt to take her hand to hold it but she retracts it back)
Cool. My sister was a model with a modeling agency.
Her: Oh cool. (she starts to leave saying shes got to go shopping)
Me: Are you going this way? I'm going this way to since the subway is there.. I can tell you're a a passionate girl but you're a bit insecure.
Her: I'm not insecure.

When I come home I feel so depressed knowing that I lost many girls. I don't know what to do. Guys, I would greatly appreciate your feedback in this serious matter. This is making me VERY depressed. Thanks and i look forward to your replies!

She was ejecting, that's fine.

I would've kept connecting with her on Korea, if she's visited, if she plans on it, give her tips, ask for places to visit, see if she's visited elsewhere.

Ramble, bullshit if you need to. Talking about Korea obviously jolted her intested in the convo.

You also need to know when to eject. It might help your bruised ego to eject before she does.

Not sure why you dropped a white knighting story in there, I would've talked about how Koreans passing out wasted in the financial district is hilarious, or how you checked out the DMZ, etc.

I don't know why you were negging her at the end, she was already leaving.

And stop it, this isn't the worst thing that could of happened to you.

You can't lose any girls you never had to begin with.

Sounds like you need to go back to square one and re evaluate how you approach girls and work on your ramble game.

456 is right, we do need more background info, but eye contact is an absolute necessity.

PS Seriously don't beat up yourself too much about some random chick, stop thinking like that, and readjust your approach method.

100% agree with this.
At the point you guess have been correct that she is from korea combined with the fact that you know some basic stuff about Korea or at least can make some stuff up,
you had the chance to return to an innocent indirect game which is on average way more effective regards to daygame.
later on you could spot hopefully some interest from her and shift the more indirect game to more direct game by showing yourself some interest and asking her more private questions such basic ones as where does she live, whats her interests are and so on.

Again within a clubgame-situation your early kino-attempt would be the correct strategy and an indirect game mostly the n inferior strategy, but here it was the other way around.

[newbie123]

I'll try and go through it with you. Opener: good.
Good job with guessing she is Korean. you could see she was emotionally invested IOI: WOW! where are you from? At this point you transitioned into comfort: good. I reckon the story was good because you're building comfort and the story wasn't too long (by the way you wrote it). Now here is where you lost it: "what do you do?". You had a great topic, you didn't escalate, instead you changed topics. I would have linked the story to her: is that why you moved here, to get away from guys shoving you into their cars? But interrupt the response, demonstrate high value: listen I got to go, but what's your number, we could do coffee this week.

[Highlander]

(12-24-2015 12:25 PM)reino341 Wrote:  

Follow this model, Beginner Daygame (Infield Guide), for a month and around 200 approaches without paying too much attention to results. That should get you through the initial pain period and for the most part desensitize you to approaching so that you can start focusing more on the smaller details.

If you don't get any positive interactions (basically a girl enjoyed talking to you) during this period, there is some kind of issue in your appearance, hygiene or behavior. Such problem should be glaring and easy to spot for any reasonably experienced guy.

Props to you because for sure you have posted this link in the attempt to help.

But gotta be honest:
After few minutes I had to stop watching it - it is really terrible and has zero to do with proper day game.
Thanks to Roosh that he publishes his great book on daygame because it was nice for me to get confirmation of such an experienced longtime player about what is proper daygame and what is putting women on a pedastel and offering them without any return infinite of validation and attention.

[LINUX]

(12-29-2015 05:14 AM)Highlander Wrote:  

Why do you use direct game within the day?
This will scare most women away and those who will keep around, you offer them from the beginning without any reason way way too much validation and attention in my opinion.
Such stuff can work well within clubgaming, but regards to daygame it is usually not the way to go.

That's just simply not true.

[Highlander]

(12-29-2015 02:24 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 05:14 AM)Highlander Wrote:  

Why do you use direct game within the day?
This will scare most women away and those who will keep around, you offer them from the beginning without any reason way way too much validation and attention in my opinion.
Such stuff can work well within clubgaming, but regards to daygame it is usually not the way to go.

That's just simply not true.

then we have to agree to disagree.

I know that direct game ( I actually do not call it game but sweet kissing women's asses) can bring you notches, but it serves the female imperative more than it does the male one and on average it does not hook women as hard on you as proper indirect game (at first) at daytime low-energy venues.

[LINUX]

(12-29-2015 04:01 PM)Highlander Wrote:  

then we have to agree to disagree.

I know that direct game ( I actually do not call it game but sweet kissing women's asses) can bring you notches, but it serves the female imperative more than it does the male one

[Sebastian]

My recommendation.

Go to theattractionforums.com

you can ask specific questions about direct approach.

you can write that in the field reports sections to get advices too.

this place is not for that. eg: 'hey how do you think about this opener?'

(12-28-2015 06:51 PM)nidall Wrote:  

(12-26-2015 05:33 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  

forget about those magic lines and just talk normal.

But just to let you know, I have had past success in convincing a girl not to leave by cold reading her. Its just that it didn't work in this case.

You mentioned that one should engage in normal conversations. But there are PUAs who use those "magic lines" that actually work. I won't mention any specific names but there are a few PUAs on YouTube who employ them effectively. I'm not saying that one shouldn't have normal conversations. Just that maybe it does help when used properly.

It's possible that a good mix between good conversations and "magic" like DHVs in stories can help?

[nidall]

(12-29-2015 04:01 PM)Highlander Wrote:  

this place is not for that. eg: 'hey how do you think about this opener?'

What are you talking about? This is the “newbie” section. My issue is relevant in this section. This is the place where newbies learn game from the basics on up. This place is for that exactly. I think you're confusing this section with the more advanced section. I suggest you go there.

(12-29-2015 08:11 AM)newbie123 Wrote:  

I'll try and go through it with you. Opener: good.
Good job with guessing she is Korean. you could see she was emotionally invested IOI: WOW! where are you from? At this point you transitioned into comfort: good. I reckon the story was good because you're building comfort and the story wasn't too long (by the way you wrote it). Now here is where you lost it: "what do you do?". You had a great topic, you didn't escalate, instead you changed topics. I would have linked the story to her: is that why you moved here, to get away from guys shoving you into their cars? But interrupt the response, demonstrate high value: listen I got to go, but what's your number, we could do coffee this week.

I like the last part of what you said when you said to interrupt her and get her number. But actually, I was trying to get an instant date with her more than anything. The reason being that instant dates is more memorable for the girl where she’s more likely to go out with you again. I’ve noticed from experience that when I get ther number without going on an instant date that she’s likely to flake.

[memcpy]

Was this a street approach? If so, and you're a beginner, then you should know that it's the hardest daygame venue and you'll get shot down a lot.

[nidall]

(01-04-2016 08:22 AM)memcpy Wrote:  

Was this a street approach? If so, and you're a beginner, then you should know that it's the hardest daygame venue and you'll get shot down a lot.

yes its daygame, that's what i said in the beginning. Daygame as I expect isn't easy. But I prefer it to night or club game.

[EuroSlumming]

How are your overall stats? Number of daytime approaches, numbers, dates etc? You need to put in a decent number of sets to figure out where you are.

If you've only done a handful there is no point in micro-analysing each one; if you've done a lot then you can look at the patterns and figure out where it's not working. Also if, as you say, you're very good looking you should naturally come across women who're into you with little effort on your part.

[ksbms]

A good, initial, to the first approximation, for a complete beginners, feedback are the percentages:

A/ the percentage of girls from whom you get number and (even more importantly)
B/ the percentage of girls who respond to your text.

B will always be smaller than A.

There are so many factors affecting a player, it's difficult to tell what the 'right percentages' are but I can share anecdotal evidence - if I get A ≈ 50% and B ≈ 2/3A, meaning 1 girl in 3 will return my text. If I make right choices when it comes to choosing the right girls, right places, and behaving in the right way, then I'm at the top of my game.

[reino341]

(01-06-2016 02:56 PM)ksbms Wrote:  

There are so many factors affecting a player, it's difficult to tell what the 'right percentages' are but I can share anecdotal evidence - if I get A ≈ 50% and B ≈ 2/3A, meaning 1 girl in 3 will return my text. If I make right choices when it comes to choosing the right girls, right places, and behaving in the right way, then I'm at the top of my game.

That is incredibly solid, I salute your level of game. I could theoretically # close every other girl while knowing the numbers would not lead to anything because the vibe wasn't good, but I don't really bother taking those numbers anymore.

[Gmac]

You guys are killing me with the math and science. You are the problem! Get out of your own head.