[WalterBlack]

Aging Spain passes population milestone as deaths surpass births

Quote:

Spain, long concerned about its aging population and emptying countryside, passed a milestone in population decline on Wednesday when it recorded more deaths than births in the first half of this year.

Deaths exceeded births by more than 19,000 in the first half of 2015, a turnaround from a year earlier when there were nearly 4,000 more births than deaths, the National Statistics Institute (INE) said.

Spain has not consistently experienced more deaths than births since its 1936-39 civil war or the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, according to news reports. Deaths briefly exceeded births in early 1999, but demographers considered that a blip while now they see it as the start of a longer trend.

The INE predicted last year that a trend of more deaths than births would begin in 2015 and the gap would widen until 2062. It said the country's population, now numbering more than 46 million, would probably fall by more than a million in the next 15 years and by 5.6 million in the next 50 years.

Spain's population has been shrinking since 2012 due to net migration as recession and high unemployment encouraged people to seek better prospects abroad. Demographers say the crossover of the birth and death rates could accelerate the decline.

An exodus from the countryside has also left many small villages abandoned or with shrinking elderly populations.

Spain, one of many European countries facing a shrinking workforce and increasing burdens on its social security system, has the 10th oldest population in the world, with an average age of 43.2 years.

That is projected to move up to fourth oldest, with an average age of 50.1 years, by 2030, according to a United Nations report in July.

The country's large elderly population could play a significant role in the Dec. 20 general election, for which center-right Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has courted old people's votes by protecting pensions.

Europe is the continent most affected by an aging population. The U.N. said 34 percent of its population would be over 60 years old by 2050.

Increased immigration could help reverse the trend and hundreds of thousands of people fleeing Syria and other war-torn states have been flocking toward Europe. The European Union struggled to agree a plan to share out just 120,000 of them.

What's in store for Spain? The last paragraphs seems like the author wants more Syrians coming in...

I think they should encourage Polish immigration...Poles are Catholic and there could be some hot Spanish/Polish mixes around in the future.

[LEMONed IScream]

This is not a "Spain" issue. It's a Western Europe issue, maybe even a "West" issue as a whole. Encouraging immigration would most likely not be enough.

We must change the system and prepare the transition. This has to be it for the welfare state.

If we are to arbitrarily add third world migrants then (not talking about Polish) ... Frankly I do not see where it would improve, they would burded the system more than actually improving it, and the jobs they could potentially do are increasingly scarce, too.

[El Chinito loco]

If you notice the trend in the liberal mainstream western media is to also browbeat asian nations constantly about "low birth rates" and "xenophobia" while they constantly pump up the virtues of allowing illegal immigrants to flood into europe and the U.S.

They are trying to export this shitty model of multiculturalism to the rest of the world except noone is buying it in asia at least.

[WalterBlack]

(12-03-2015 09:01 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

If you notice the trend in the liberal mainstream western media is to also browbeat asian nations constantly about "low birth rates" and "xenophobia" while they constantly pump up the virtues of allowing illegal immigrants to flood into europe and the U.S.

They are trying to export this shitty model of multiculturalism to the rest of the world except noone is buying it in asia at least.

Looks like Japan doesn't fuck around:

Japan repatriates 22 illegal immigrants to Bangladesh, among them unsuccessful asylum seekers

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The government has repatriated 22 illegal immigrants from Bangladesh in the fourth round of its contentious mass deportation program using a state-chartered plane, the Justice Ministry announced Thursday.

Subject to the repatriation, conducted Wednesday, were visa overstayers and other illegal immigrants who had long “stubbornly” ignored deportation orders issued by the state, immigration official Atsushi Gokan of the Justice Ministry said.

All deportees were adult males aged 23 to 53, with none handcuffed while aboard out of consideration for their human rights, Gokan said.

The government move Wednesday marked the fourth time it has flown back illegal immigrants en masse using a specially chartered plane, following Filipinos and Thais in 2013 and Sri Lankans and Vietnamese in 2014.

The program, introduced in 2013, is considered cheaper than when the state repatriates immigrants one by one. The Justice Ministry also touts the program as safer in that it involves no commercial passengers on board.

In a revelation that could spark ire among human rights activists, the ministry acknowledged some of those deported Wednesday had applied for refugee status, albeit unsuccessfully.

Some of these failed applicants, Gokan admitted, were repatriated within the first six months after the final rejection — a period in which they are legally allowed to file a lawsuit against the state in a bid to nullify the ministry’s decision.

The government similarly deprived some Sri Lankans it deported in December 2014 of the last-resort shot at refugee status — a decision decried by critics as life-threatening because it could expose them to persecution back home.

On Thursday, immigration officials reiterated that the decision to deport such unsuccessful applicants presented no human rights violation, because they officially lost asylum-seeker status the moment they were deemed ineligible for Japan’s refugee recognition criteria, which itself is often criticized for being overly conservative.

However, some Japanese faggots want immigration - they're more concerned with the economy rather than culture.

Japan under pressure to accept more immigrants as workforce shrinks

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Divisions have opened up in Japan’s government over the country’s refusal to accept even a modest increase in the numbers of refugees and immigrants, as a senior UN official called on Tokyo to do more to help resettle people fleeing conflicts in Syria and Iraq.

Shigeru Ishiba, who is in charge of revitalising regional economies, said Japan should accept more immigrants, and pointed to the acceptance of Japanese migrants in South America early last century as proof that integration can work.

Ishiba’s support for higher immigration came as the head of the UN’s refugee agency urged Japan to do help resettle people fleeing conflicts in Syria and Iraq.

The decision by the prime minister, Shinzo Abe, to rule out any relaxation of Japan’s strict refugee policy has prompted criticism of Japan’s strict policy on asylum. Last year, it received a record 5,000 applications but accepted just 11 people.

Ishiba, who is expected to challenge for the leadership of the governing Liberal Democratic party in three years’ time, is one of a growing number of government figures who believe that controlled immigration could help rescue the economy amid an expected decline in the number of workers.

“It is necessary for the government to implement policies that do not cause any discomfort for us or for immigrants in terms of language, customs and other areas.”

Earlier this month, Taro Kono, the minister for administrative reform and head of the national police agency, said that relaxing immigration laws could help Abe reach his target of boosting GDP from the current 491 trillion yen to 600 trillion yen [5 trillion US dollars] by the end of the decade.

But the chief cabinet secretary, Yoshihide Suga, quickly dismissed Kono’s suggestion. “Foreign countries have undergone difficult experiences,” Suga said. “We should be careful about accepting immigrants.”

Government data released this week showed the number of workers in Japan is projected to fall by 7.9 million, or 12.4%, to 55.61 million in 2030. Its population of around 128 million will fall to 86 million in 2060, with the proportion of people aged 65 or over reaching nearly 40% of the total, according to government forecasts.

Abe, however, ruled out any significant change to Japan’s closed-door approach to immigration at the UN general assembly in New York in September.

“It is an issue of demography,” he said. “I would say that before accepting immigrants or refugees, we need to have more activities by women, elderly people and we must raise our birth rate. There are many things that we should do before accepting immigrants.”

Japan is also coming under international pressure to help ease the refugee crisis in Europe, although it is a major donor of humanitarian aid for refugees and has pledged financial support for countries affected by the conflict with Islamic State.

Its refusal to accept more refugees contrasts with other non-European countries such as Australia, which has offered to take in 12,000 extra refugees; and Canada, which has promised to resettle a total of 25,000 people.

Antonio Guterres, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, said during a visit to Japan this week that he “would like the Japanese government to push its actions ... to increase the number of people resettled in Japan, and especially now to look into the humanitarian admissions of Syrians”.

Guterres, who said he had been discussing the issue with officials in Tokyo, added that Japan should “progressively improve the asylum system here ... to make it more effective in the reception and in the recognition and integration of refugees in Japanese society”.

I think Japanese culture is so unique and different to other, that immigration would ruin it.

People who are more concerned with the economy than culture are traitors. One main reason why gay rights are so heavily promoted in the west is because gays tend to be wealthy. If all faggots were poor, would anybody give a fuck about them?! Gay rights is economy over culture.

[getdownonit]

(12-03-2015 08:51 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

Aging Spain passes population milestone as deaths surpass births

Quote:

Spain, long concerned about its aging population and emptying countryside, passed a milestone in population decline on Wednesday when it recorded more deaths than births in the first half of this year.

This has only been an issue for a few decades. Perhaps that qualifies as 'long', but declining birth rates only began with the transition to democracy and accession to the EU and NATO. Before the last generation or two families would have 5+ surviving kids. Today you rarely see more than two.

[Paracelsus]

(12-03-2015 08:51 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

What's in store for Spain? The last paragraphs seems like the author wants more Syrians coming in...

What's in store?
In brief, the Re-re-conquista.

A small tangent: have you ever wondered why Al-Qaeda chose the date of 11 September as the operational date for their plan to bring down the World Trade Centre? It was not to provide the media with the pithy shorthand of 9/11, I assure you.

It was chosen because another rather important event took place on 11 September, 1683: the Battle of Vienna, at which (after a dogged defence of the city by its inhabitants) the Turkish horde before the gates was routed by a Catholic army led by Jan Sobieski. Radical Islam sees itself as locked in endless combat with the West. That date was chosen to 'avenge' the loss at Vienna.

The Spanish Reconquista was also a long war with Islam, taking roughly seven hundred years, ending (coincidentally) in 1492 when the Muslims lost Granada. And while it pains me to say it, the Spaniards and Portugese did not fuck around with tolerance or attempting a gentle peace once the Muslims had been pushed out: there followed a long religious purge of forced conversions to Christianity or outright expulsion of Muslims from Iberia. This purge led into the Spanish Inquisition, which was similarly an attempt at rooting out crypto-Judaism in the Spanish population and which was basically forced onto the Papacy of the time. But its result was also a deeply Catholic country with no significant Islamic or Jewish populations in it for centuries. (Today there's roughly 3-4% of the population who is Islamic in Spain.)

The Reconquista was, to my mind, the only successful Christian crusade-ish endeavour ever carried out. Every other Crusade into Muslim lands failed mainly because the Christians were surrounded by hostile forces and were basically a small strip of land in Palestine. Spain was something different. And the Reconquista only worked because the Christians in Spain were prepared to dig in and fight the long war, and because that was roughly the last time a Christian nation dealt with Islam on roughly the same terms as Islam prefers to deal with its conquered enemies. There are still statues, in Portugal, of Gerald the Fearless holding up the decapitated head of a Moor.

The main point being: don't imagine that Islam has forgotten that humiliation, or that it won't try and take Spain back somewhere down the line, maybe soon down the line. That will all be seen as part of the "Caliphate to be restored", and there will be a horrible, horrible bloodletting there when it happens. As 9/11 tells us: Islam never forgets, and we should not either. Shit, I'm amazed there haven't been any Islamic bombings in Warsaw against some of Jan Sobieski's memorials ... although I guess that's a matter of 'watch this space'.

[Durango]

Japan:



At least Japan is trying to minimize the damage to their massive debt and aging population. The West enjoys to put a fire out with gasoline, and pretend the fire is gone.

[DarkTriad]

(12-03-2015 09:17 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 09:01 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

If you notice the trend in the liberal mainstream western media is to also browbeat asian nations constantly about "low birth rates" and "xenophobia" while they constantly pump up the virtues of allowing illegal immigrants to flood into europe and the U.S.

They are trying to export this shitty model of multiculturalism to the rest of the world except noone is buying it in asia at least.

Looks like Japan doesn't fuck around:

Japan repatriates 22 illegal immigrants to Bangladesh, among them unsuccessful asylum seekers

Quote:

The government has repatriated 22 illegal immigrants from Bangladesh in the fourth round of its contentious mass deportation program using a state-chartered plane, the Justice Ministry announced Thursday.

Subject to the repatriation, conducted Wednesday, were visa overstayers and other illegal immigrants who had long “stubbornly” ignored deportation orders issued by the state, immigration official Atsushi Gokan of the Justice Ministry said.

All deportees were adult males aged 23 to 53, with none handcuffed while aboard out of consideration for their human rights, Gokan said.

The government move Wednesday marked the fourth time it has flown back illegal immigrants en masse using a specially chartered plane, following Filipinos and Thais in 2013 and Sri Lankans and Vietnamese in 2014.

The program, introduced in 2013, is considered cheaper than when the state repatriates immigrants one by one. The Justice Ministry also touts the program as safer in that it involves no commercial passengers on board.

In a revelation that could spark ire among human rights activists, the ministry acknowledged some of those deported Wednesday had applied for refugee status, albeit unsuccessfully.

Some of these failed applicants, Gokan admitted, were repatriated within the first six months after the final rejection — a period in which they are legally allowed to file a lawsuit against the state in a bid to nullify the ministry’s decision.

The government similarly deprived some Sri Lankans it deported in December 2014 of the last-resort shot at refugee status — a decision decried by critics as life-threatening because it could expose them to persecution back home.

On Thursday, immigration officials reiterated that the decision to deport such unsuccessful applicants presented no human rights violation, because they officially lost asylum-seeker status the moment they were deemed ineligible for Japan’s refugee recognition criteria, which itself is often criticized for being overly conservative.

However, some Japanese faggots want immigration - they're more concerned with the economy rather than culture.

Japan under pressure to accept more immigrants as workforce shrinks

Quote:

Divisions have opened up in Japan’s government over the country’s refusal to accept even a modest increase in the numbers of refugees and immigrants, as a senior UN official called on Tokyo to do more to help resettle people fleeing conflicts in Syria and Iraq.

Shigeru Ishiba, who is in charge of revitalising regional economies, said Japan should accept more immigrants, and pointed to the acceptance of Japanese migrants in South America early last century as proof that integration can work.

Ishiba’s support for higher immigration came as the head of the UN’s refugee agency urged Japan to do help resettle people fleeing conflicts in Syria and Iraq.

The decision by the prime minister, Shinzo Abe, to rule out any relaxation of Japan’s strict refugee policy has prompted criticism of Japan’s strict policy on asylum. Last year, it received a record 5,000 applications but accepted just 11 people.

Ishiba, who is expected to challenge for the leadership of the governing Liberal Democratic party in three years’ time, is one of a growing number of government figures who believe that controlled immigration could help rescue the economy amid an expected decline in the number of workers.

“It is necessary for the government to implement policies that do not cause any discomfort for us or for immigrants in terms of language, customs and other areas.”

Earlier this month, Taro Kono, the minister for administrative reform and head of the national police agency, said that relaxing immigration laws could help Abe reach his target of boosting GDP from the current 491 trillion yen to 600 trillion yen [5 trillion US dollars] by the end of the decade.

But the chief cabinet secretary, Yoshihide Suga, quickly dismissed Kono’s suggestion. “Foreign countries have undergone difficult experiences,” Suga said. “We should be careful about accepting immigrants.”

Government data released this week showed the number of workers in Japan is projected to fall by 7.9 million, or 12.4%, to 55.61 million in 2030. Its population of around 128 million will fall to 86 million in 2060, with the proportion of people aged 65 or over reaching nearly 40% of the total, according to government forecasts.

Abe, however, ruled out any significant change to Japan’s closed-door approach to immigration at the UN general assembly in New York in September.

“It is an issue of demography,” he said. “I would say that before accepting immigrants or refugees, we need to have more activities by women, elderly people and we must raise our birth rate. There are many things that we should do before accepting immigrants.”

Japan is also coming under international pressure to help ease the refugee crisis in Europe, although it is a major donor of humanitarian aid for refugees and has pledged financial support for countries affected by the conflict with Islamic State.

Its refusal to accept more refugees contrasts with other non-European countries such as Australia, which has offered to take in 12,000 extra refugees; and Canada, which has promised to resettle a total of 25,000 people.

Antonio Guterres, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, said during a visit to Japan this week that he “would like the Japanese government to push its actions ... to increase the number of people resettled in Japan, and especially now to look into the humanitarian admissions of Syrians”.

Guterres, who said he had been discussing the issue with officials in Tokyo, added that Japan should “progressively improve the asylum system here ... to make it more effective in the reception and in the recognition and integration of refugees in Japanese society”.

I think Japanese culture is so unique and different to other, that immigration would ruin it.

People who are more concerned with the economy than culture are traitors. One main reason why gay rights are so heavily promoted in the west is because gays tend to be wealthy. If all faggots were poor, would anybody give a fuck about them?! Gay rights is economy over culture.

"Shigeru Ishiba, who is in charge of revitalising regional economies, said Japan should accept more immigrants, and pointed to the acceptance of Japanese migrants in South America early last century as proof that integration can work.".

Well, it proved hardworking, disciplined Japanese could integrate into other societies, didn't do much to show that 3rd world refugees could integrate into Japan.

[getdownonit]

It was no coincidence that the Reconquista ended in 1492. After finally defeating the Moors the Catholic Crown just kept the ball rolling, finally agreeing to sponsor Columbus's first voyage.

[Eskhander]

If your answer is mass immigration, you are just replacing the native population. Don't even deny it.

And don't even get me started on massive automation. A declining population would actually make that less awful.

[getdownonit]

This thread reminded me of this article on refugees from a month ago that made me chuckle for its stupidity. The article is from El Pais, the biggest newspaper in the country and not some 'alternative media' source that some would instantly discredit.

This was published before the Paris attacks.

http://elpais.com/elpais/2015/11/09/inen...25155.html

Original, en español (much more well written)

Quote:

The first group of refugees to be officially accepted by Spain as part of a European deal to relocate 160,000 asylum seekers across the continent arrived at Madrid airport on Sunday night.

The 12 individuals – 11 from Eritrea and one from Syria – are the first members of an initial contingent of 50 refugees whom Spain has agreed to take in.

Seven more Eritreans who had been greenlighted for travel to Spain refused to board the flight, and demanded to be flown to Germany instead.

The article continues but you get the picture.

12 people in the initial batch, 11 of whom are from Eritrea, and one Syrian.

The gall of these 'refugees', who are not even Syrian, as the powers that be would have us believe, that they attempt to choose where they wind up. A refugee escaping true hardship in a third world country would be beyond grateful to end up in Spain or any EU country.



Why don't they want to go to Spain again? I don't think they are trying to get to Germany because of the climate.

[SigmundSauer]

(12-03-2015 09:28 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 08:51 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

What's in store for Spain? The last paragraphs seems like the author wants more Syrians coming in...

What's in store?
In brief, the Re-re-conquista.

A small tangent: have you ever wondered why Al-Qaeda chose the date of 11 September as the operational date for their plan to bring down the World Trade Centre? It was not to provide the media with the pithy shorthand of 9/11, I assure you.

It was chosen because another rather important event took place on 11 September, 1683: the Battle of Vienna, at which (after a dogged defence of the city by its inhabitants) the Turkish horde before the gates was routed by a Catholic army led by Jan Sobieski. Radical Islam sees itself as locked in endless combat with the West. That date was chosen to 'avenge' the loss at Vienna.

The Spanish Reconquista was also a long war with Islam, taking roughly seven hundred years, ending (coincidentally) in 1492 when the Muslims lost Granada. And while it pains me to say it, the Spaniards and Portugese did not fuck around with tolerance or attempting a gentle peace once the Muslims had been pushed out: there followed a long religious purge of forced conversions to Christianity or outright expulsion of Muslims from Iberia. This purge led into the Spanish Inquisition, which was similarly an attempt at rooting out crypto-Judaism in the Spanish population and which was basically forced onto the Papacy of the time. But its result was also a deeply Catholic country with no significant Islamic or Jewish populations in it for centuries. (Today there's roughly 3-4% of the population who is Islamic in Spain.)

The Reconquista was, to my mind, the only successful Christian crusade-ish endeavour ever carried out. Every other Crusade into Muslim lands failed mainly because the Christians were surrounded by hostile forces and were basically a small strip of land in Palestine. Spain was something different. And the Reconquista only worked because the Christians in Spain were prepared to dig in and fight the long war, and because that was roughly the last time a Christian nation dealt with Islam on roughly the same terms as Islam prefers to deal with its conquered enemies. There are still statues, in Portugal, of Gerald the Fearless holding up the decapitated head of a Moor.

The main point being: don't imagine that Islam has forgotten that humiliation, or that it won't try and take Spain back somewhere down the line, maybe soon down the line. That will all be seen as part of the "Caliphate to be restored", and there will be a horrible, horrible bloodletting there when it happens. As 9/11 tells us: Islam never forgets, and we should not either. Shit, I'm amazed there haven't been any Islamic bombings in Warsaw against some of Jan Sobieski's memorials ... although I guess that's a matter of 'watch this space'.

The Russians under Ivan the Terrible conquered and settled much of the area held by the muslim volga tatars with russians and his successors repopulated eastern and southern ukraine along with the pontic steppe as well as well as freeing georgia and armenia while expelling many of the muslim circassians and azeris, returning these areas to christian demographic majority. The Ethiopian Amhara reconquered many of the southern regions back from the muslim oromo and freed Eritrea from Ottoman-Egyptian Rule, establishing a large christian state again in the form of the Ethiopian empire. Other than that, there are no real examples of large scale reconquista, except for maybe Stalin's purges of minorities, which concidentally, happened to further increase the demographic dominance of russians throughout the USSR and Georgians in the Caucasus, since Stalin was extremely lenient towards those groups and towards the Georgian SSR. Stalin even tried to annex Armenia and some of the smaller Caucasian polities into the Georgian SSR by deporting their populations to Siberia.

[blacknwhitespade]

I don't know what they've been up to lately, but now would be a good time for the Catholic church to bring at least some Spaniards back to their roots. These people have worshipped the EU like sheep and gone right in the tank with the rest of Western Europe. 20% unemployment for 6+ years. If things don't turn around soon, something's gotta give.

As for immigration, yes, bring in more Eastern Euros and Latin Americans.

[Glaucon]

Its funny no one in the media talks about why is that. Maybe because the system just kills any incentive with crazy taxes and crazy women to even consider having kids anything else than a trap?

But nooo, it can not be the system is faulty, the people are! So change them to something else. Pure madness.

[Jesus Christ]

Since Franco's death, Spain went from a Catholic fundamentalist dictatorship where wives loyally served their husbands and family, to a feminist dystopia now on par with Sweden.

Feminism is favourable to players, but not extreme feminism. Roissy named Spain the worst place in the world for women. I gamed for like two weeks there and was even thinking about ending the trip early. Needless to say I will never return.

[topdog]

^ I cosign what Jesus Christ writes. While traveling there, I noticed how common and socially accepted is prostitution. If you are not among the few alphas that can get some lays here and there, the Spanish female is perhaps the hardest to game asides from the Argentinean specimen.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...51581.html

[Cheetah]

Quote:

Seven more Eritreans who had been greenlighted for travel to Spain refused to board the flight, and demanded to be flown to Germany instead.

Where were they when they refused to travel to Spain?

[LEMONed IScream]

The spanish female is the hardest to game? Are you all serious?! LOL. I live in the neighbouring country to Spain and I wish I had the spanish ones, I'd have triple the notches , frankly. "Hard"? C'mon.

[getdownonit]

(12-05-2015 11:05 AM)Cheetah Wrote:  

Quote:

Seven more Eritreans who had been greenlighted for travel to Spain refused to board the flight, and demanded to be flown to Germany instead.

Where were they when they refused to travel to Spain?

Italy

[Phoenix]

What's Spanish for 'bust inside'? The King should launch an official Bust Inside Campaign.

Jokes aside, the most irritating thing about the 1st world birth problem is that no one talks about solutions. For everything else, everyone is pretty opinionated. But they just say "mmm yeah there is a birth problem", and leave it at that.

It's actually all pretty basic stuff, so low birth rates aren't a mystery, they are deliberately self-inflicted.

Spain need simply do the following:
- Expect and demand that their daughters get married by 20
- Publically call 25+ unmarried women 'leftovers'
- Declare virgin women to be more valuable that non-virgins (so women 'spend themselves wisely')
- Bestow awards on men and women with large families (as Russia is now doing)
- Rebalance marriage law to treat men and women equally
- Socially shame those who use contraceptives
- Add a hereditary component to parliament
- Erradicate all welfare

Do all that and I can guarantee no more birth problems.

[262]

But women have a right to live the "Sex in the City" lifestyle!

That way they'll buy useless crap like cat food that keeps the economy going (well, at least until there are no more PRODUCTIVE youth anymore, not talking about welfare cases).

Keeping that economy temporarily going will increase the value of my stocks, whose gains I will spend abroad before the collapse of the West!

As Charlie Sheen put it: "Winning!"