[Er Lollo]

This is a problem that I think only me or few other people have:

I go out, I try to hook up with every available girl I see, then when I figure out I'm not gonna capitalize anything I go back home, whatever the time is. And I feel depressed and guilty. Feel like I have wasted one night. I think I could have slept longer, I could have chatted with nice girls, but I definately wasted my time. I get easily depressed about this, I feel like I didn't hook up just because those girls are impossible.

Am I the only one thinking that? Do you think you waste a day or an evening if you go out to hoop up and you don't find any girl?

[Anabasis to Desta]

Used to be like that until i figured out girls can sniff out guys who go out with the sole intention of getting laid and not having fun.

Actually, whenever i go out sober and watch people it's always obvious which guys are busting into the club with blue balls and dead set out pulling anything with a pulse. They have a tense aura around them which turns people off. Same problem for you perhaps?

The guys who pull are actually in there with a group of friends and are having the time of their lives.

What works for me is to have a disciplined & productive week where I hit all my short term goals. Saturday before I go out, I get a massage, lift, sauna, meet up with friends and get myself into a very social mood hours before going out.

When you roll out @ 9 or 10 bitches can feel your aura. You radiate positive energy. You're on a roll.

In contrast, i got friends who never have fun at the bar. They come to the bar after 6 hours playing Call of Duty and leave 45 minutes later claiming " It's a sausage fest bro! This place sucks!". The same guys who nurse their beer for an hour, don't get drunk, dance or talk to people. They come with the sole intention of getting laid aka they're value takers.

If you get into the mindset of going out for fun rather than bitches ... bitches will be much easier to pull.

[Er Lollo]

(11-12-2015 05:04 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  

Used to be like that until i figured out girls can sniff out guys who go out with the sole intention of getting laid and not having fun.

Actually, whenever i go out sober and watch people it's always obvious which guys are busting into the club with blue balls and dead set out pulling anything with a pulse. They have a tense aura around them which turns people off. Same problem for you perhaps?

The guys who pull are actually in there with a group of friends and are having the time of their lives.

What works for me is to have a disciplined & productive week where I hit all my short term goals. Saturday before I go out, I get a massage, lift, sauna, meet up with friends and get myself into a very social mood hours before going out.

When you roll out @ 9 or 10 bitches can feel your aura. You radiate positive energy. You're on a roll.

In contrast, i got friends who never have fun at the bar. They come to the bar after 6 hours playing Call of Duty and leave 45 minutes later claiming " It's a sausage fest bro! This place sucks!". The same guys who nurse their beer for an hour, don't get drunk, dance or talk to people. They come with the sole intention of getting laid aka they're value takers.

If you get into the mindset of going out for fun rather than bitches ... bitches will be much easier to pull.

My problem is I usually work from 15 to 23, so when I go out I feel very tired. The week before and the one even before I got laid because they were first and second time going out right after a 2 hour nap after at least 2 months. 2 days after 2nd laid. I hardly get into the right mood, to radiate positive energy I really need everything goiong perfectly: if on the same day 5 good things and 1 bad happen to me, I'd not be in the right mood.
As for tonight, I was out, but I preferred to go back home instead of looking for a girl like a desperate. It's also because in my city (Rome) competition is very high. The gender ratio is 5:1 approximately.

[Anabasis to Desta]

Oh i see.

My understanding is that game in Italy is completely different that game in North America, UK or Australia.

Are you Italian?

If you are, i think you are better off going to bars and clubs tourists from other parts of Europe and North America go to. They are much easier than Italian girls. And even the prude girls turn into sluts when on vacation.

You can play the suave Italian guy role if you have the knack for it.

If you are in Rome have you tried the Allesandro Palace Hostel and Bar? I stayed at that spot and you have backpackers and young honeys from every nationality ... mostly girls. Just go to the bar and have a conversation with one of the American or Aussie girls.

The British slags are the easiest if you are looking for a quick bang.

[Er Lollo]

(11-12-2015 05:57 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  

Oh i see.

My understanding is that game in Italy is completely different that game in North America, UK or Australia.

Are you Italian?

If you are, i think you are better off going to bars and clubs tourists from other parts of Europe and North America go to. They are much easier than Italian girls. And even the prude girls turn into sluts when on vacation.

You can play the suave Italian guy role if you have the knack for it.

If you are in Rome have you tried the Allesandro Palace Hostel and Bar? I stayed at that spot and you have backpackers and young honeys from every nationality ... mostly girls. Just go to the bar and have a conversation with one of the American or Aussie girl.

The British slags are the easiest if you are looking for a quick bang.

Yes, I'm italian. here local girls rarely go out in group of 2/3 girls. they usually hang out also with guys. so, they're pretty untouchable. and the suave italian guy role rarely works now, because of the huge groups of italians insisting so much on the same girls. they already know how horny they are. And italian guys usually are ready to say every lie if this is needed to take a girl home.
As for the Alessandro Palace, I haven't been there yet, but I don't think I could be well seen there, what would girls think about a local goin to a hostel? Furthermore, sometimes they're my competitors (I work for the Colosseum Pub Crawl, they have their own pub crawl), so I don't think I can be well seen there.

[Dantes]

(11-12-2015 04:51 PM)Er Lollo Wrote:  

This is a problem that I think only me or few other people have:

I go out, I try to hook up with every available girl I see, then when I figure out I'm not gonna capitalize anything I go back home, whatever the time is. And I feel depressed and guilty. Feel like I have wasted one night. I think I could have slept longer, I could have chatted with nice girls, but I definately wasted my time. I get easily depressed about this, I feel like I didn't hook up just because those girls are impossible.

Am I the only one thinking that? Do you think you waste a day or an evening if you go out to hoop up and you don't find any girl?

The guys who do the best at Nightgame genuinely enjoy drinking, late nights and the pursuit. If you are't consistently achieving your desired results, you should change it up. Give Daygame a shot.

[olive]

(11-12-2015 04:51 PM)Er Lollo Wrote:  

This is a problem that I think only me or few other people have:

I go out, I try to hook up with every available girl I see, then when I figure out I'm not gonna capitalize anything I go back home, whatever the time is. And I feel depressed and guilty. Feel like I have wasted one night. I think I could have slept longer, I could have chatted with nice girls, but I definately wasted my time. I get easily depressed about this, I feel like I didn't hook up just because those girls are impossible.

Am I the only one thinking that? Do you think you waste a day or an evening if you go out to hoop up and you don't find any girl?

Not sure where you are going but unless you're going to one of the mythical-massively-female-heavy-supersecret-bars numbers are greatly against you.

Due to the above fact what you are saying basically mathematically equates something similar to: "I play lotto. I do not win. I get upset". With this odds you will get upset, a lot.
Don't play lotto, create your own lotto & prevent disappointment. Just don't go alone, go with girls using either option below.

Go to bar/club with prospect girls: Go to Starbucks during daytime, (read on this type of pickup if you need) get your meetups for the same night. Over subscribe meetups to compensate for unavoidable flakes or you will go home early again. It can be argued why would you go to bar with an existing contact (and a valid argument too) but anyway let's leave it for another time - basically this would work if you get your numbers properly aligned (fake ratio vs meetup ratio). Also do the "are you going to flake out out" test in advance - forcing girl to overcommit to coming out to meet you. Not a full contract but it does improve chances A LOT.

Go to bar/club with non-prospect girls: If you can't yet go to Starbucks during daytime and get your dates for the same night (yet) then don't. Use some pre-existing bar/club girls as they're everywhere. It is radical if you haven't heard about it before there is material on it just find it. The gist is you go and talk with the girls and they invite you to come along next time they're out. They will do this only if you are a cool confident guy a value to their group. They also want to help you (human instinct) if your'e not an evident disappointment.
While executing this maneuver it's essential you don't hit on any of the girls in this group as once you hit the first one all the others will know that's why they're non-prospect.
They are decoration and toolbox and more but not targets. Their purpose is to be your group and possibly your wingman (they will warm up to it once you show your value as a genuine honest person and not a skirtchaser - nice irony).
Funny thing is they will start focusing on you once you get some attraction in the field (with their help). This is like nuclear fission.
You do that once you go out a few times and ready to burn this group and move on to the next one. Depending on skill level you can achieve zero or single lay (beginner) from this group or all the way up to full cluster fuck (masterPUA).

I read about this, thought total bollocks, tried it, noticed it works. Try it and please report your success.

You could also go with the happy-time-at-mine thing if you have acceptably social accommodation in a central location. Just google it for the details. Gist is, by the time you hit the club, you already have your group with you, in worst case scenario you'll have a good time with your mates but usually your groups positive radiation will help you make new friends on the spot.

Wish you a great many fun nights out with your new mates.

[HankMoody]

Once you get enough bangs, you won't care anymore. You'll just go out to have fun and bangs happen.

I was like that when I first started getting bangs. Now they're hardly worth the aggravation.

[Rush87]

It was once like this but now it's the opposite:

In the past: I go for a night out with friends, spot a cute girl, strike up a conversation, catch a cab back to my place [or hers], in the case of her house I wind up alone at 2am waiting for a taxi to come home, in the case of my place I talk bullshit until a socially acceptable time to start pushing for her to leave.

Irrespective of the occasion I've sacrificed great conversation, some good laughs for medicare conversation, 30 minutes sex and a few hours of complete and utter boredom in the lead up to and time after sex.

I did that for years. Now going home with a girl is 'usually' a wasted night. I still pick up girls but my priorities are more or less - Have fun with my friends. When I'm ready to go if you're still around then lets do this shit.

As a side note the club scene is becoming a bit of a pain in the ass now days. I much prefer day game.

[Noir]

Outcome dependency.

Maximize your 'pools' of women and increase your chances of getting a bang.

Stop emphasizing that getting laid is a success and not getting laid is a failure.

Fake it till you make it and that having sex with whoever you want is a norm, not a luxury.

I go out to clubs just to have fun, banter and a drink with my mate friends. Sometimes with girl-friends but they are increasingly becoming friends with my girlfriend so if you are single, use your female friends to your advantage.

Direct non-verbals, indirect verbals, comfort, dancing/touching/escalation, isolate, comfort again, be cool to her mates, go home and bang.

[Hairz]

While I'm not getting laid as of yet from approaches I go out to have fun and dance. There's this guy in our social circle that goes around looking for women to approach. From my angle he looks creepy as fuck and having a bad time.

When you make yourself the person that gets the party going random girls will see "wow this guy runs this whole circle he must be cool" and if you approach her she already think you're the shit.

Plus if you don't enjoy where you go sooner or later you'll stop going.

[High Hanging Fruit]

(11-12-2015 05:42 PM)Er Lollo Wrote:  

It's also because in my city (Rome) competition is very high. The gender ratio is 5:1 approximately.

That's absolutely terrible. I don't think I've seen a ratio that bad in my entire life (apart from at 5am). No wonder you’re demoralized.

There's a reason that the "Travel" forum is so busy here, and that Roosh spends his entire life travelling; your area has a vital impact on your ability to get laid.

When it's as bad as a 5:1 ratio, venue shits on your mental state any day of the week in terms of importance. I'd much, much rather to be off my game and in a good venue, than 100% on my game with a ratio like that.

You need to treat it like a challenge to find the best venue in your city. Talk to taxi drivers and other locals, and look on PUA-related forums online about the best venues. More importantly, keep experimenting. If the ratio is 5:1, don’t go there again (at least on that night of the week). Try a different venue every night you go out until you find one that you love.

Believe me, there will be a good venue somewhere.

[CH-Toronto]

I don't want to make assumptions but I think there was a time a LOT of had this mentality. I realize now- that A) It's not necessary. B) It's COUNTER-productive. Focus on having fun, focus on having a good time. Girls have a sixth sense- and they can tell if 'this is your purpose of going out.'

[Er Lollo]

I'm usually in a bad mood, I often see many guys who are really excited appearently for no reasons. i feel too much the competition and too much pressure on me, I can't go relaxed, I feel like everybody is judging me. ANd if I talk with a girl, how can I show her sexual interest if i talk only about other topics?

[Cheetah]

OP,

have you tried to actually have fun while talking to the girls you try to pick up?

[Remington]

Years ago, I always got pissed at myself because I wasn't the one getting laid. I'd put in a little work when I went out, but came to no avail. Then, I started dressing a lot better, my weight lifting results began to skyrocket, and my confidence level was boosted exponentially.

After I improved myself, my approaches increased each time I went out. I'd say 80% of these girls were receptive of my approach.

Did I bang them all? Absolutely not.

But, I started to pull girls back to my apartment where I fucked them like a porn star. Usually, they would become a part of my rotation for a couple months.

As Hank said, after I started getting bangs, I stopped caring about getting pussy every weekend.

The abundance mentality was adopted and applied, and the pressure was gone.

Er Lollo, in regards to your situation, nobody is out there posted up with the sole purpose to watch other guys approach women. Relax. Do not put pressure on yourself, because you will get nervous and the woman you approach will see right through that.

Your conversational skills will be needed in order to escalate to sexual conversation. Learn from experience. Go out with people who share the same mentality, and watch them work. Once you get good, you will be able to gauge whether or not you have piqued her sexual interest.

[olive]

(11-13-2015 11:13 AM)Er Lollo Wrote:  

I'm usually in a bad mood, I often see many guys who are really excited appearently for no reasons. i feel too much the competition and too much pressure on me, I can't go relaxed, I feel like everybody is judging me. ANd if I talk with a girl, how can I show her sexual interest if i talk only about other topics?

Lots of good advice in this thread you started, I'm enjoying it.

With regards to your specific question, to get you started here is one of the first links came up in my google search just now. Having skimmed through bullet points, it looks alright to me (PUA gurus reading this might point out if it has any errors in the article): http://www.girlschase.com/content/sexual...-and-randy

Take a look and see if there is anything helpful to you...


BTW if your goal is picking up girls (unless you have a strong fetish about picking up specifically from 5:1 ratio club scene) I suggest you open shop in other locations and at other times of day.
5:1 ratio in nightclubs you currently go to is not helping you with your goal (unless you have a strong fetish about picking up specifically from 5:1 ratio club scene lol)

You mentioned you start work at 1500 so you have all the early morning and midday available, every day and you're in Rome - one of the touristic hubs of the world amazing! I would google for: tourist pua
Please note that by putting smiles on tourist faces you will also be doing a public service. Promoting your country in its best.

Wish you the best