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(11-09-2015 12:11 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

The US was highly restrictive, tariffs up until the 1960s/70s were very high, markets were highly restricted, wages were high and unions were very strong. All this illusionary idea that unfettered markets and open borders will produce a super-utopia have never been confirmed in reality - all despite the fact that there have been libartarian economic models in place in history.

Even some corporate guys understand this. Prior to all the deregulation in the U.S., Lee Iacocca, CEO of Chrysler, warned in the early 80's that wanton deregulation combined with funding the military at the expense of protecting other industry would dismantle the middle class:

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"It was the middle class that made this country great in the first place. Take away America's $8-to-$12-dollar-an-hour industrial jobs and you undercut the country. If we don't watch out, I'm afraid we're going to find ourselves armed to the teeth-- and with nothing left to defend but drive-in banks, video arcades, and McDonald's hamburger stands."

He said this in the early eighties. Does any part of it seem familiar? How do you keep wages up without unions? How do you keep good jobs in the country without legislation?

I wish libertarianism would work, but sometimes it seems like a fake concept cooked up by the elite to gull naive idealists.

[Aurini]

(11-08-2015 01:35 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

You've come up with some kind elaborate, dastardly explanation where there is none. You're wasting your time.

That's because I am the furthest from an SJW as you can probably imagine (I have Objectivist/libertarian leanings). That means I value individualism, justice and free trade. There no sinister plan. But I do disagree with all forms of collectivism on anti-reason grounds.

P.S. And the root idea/real name of the SJWs/leftists is egalitarian. A false philosophy espoused and promoted by a prominent (dead) Harvard philosopher named John Dewey, who picked it up from Marx. I am not in any way shape or form, an egalitarian. It's not how the world works.

The following video perfectly sums up the issues with idealistic Libertarianism, Anarchism, and Objectivism:

You also posted this:

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Meaning, in practice, you'd be replacing the whims of the SJWs with the whims of straight white males (SWMs). Either way it's mob rule. Un-american in my book.

Somehow I doubt you're promoting a franchise that's limited to 10% of the population, or to those who own a respectable amount of property (say, $100,000). Newsflash: the Founding Fathers were utterly opposed to democracy, which is by definition Mob Rule. This country is a Republic - NOT a Democracy.

Now, that said, back when it was primarily white males voting, they largely stood by the constitution, the freedom of the citizens, and en aggregate contributed more to the society than they withdrew, giving their surplus to women and children, and volunteering their life blood on the battle field.

Even when they fell short of the American ideal, it was other White Males who pushed for a better way - it was White Males, not SJWs, not women, not minorities, who fought a war over slavery.

The SJWs contribute nothing, demand forced charity through government handouts, and force others to fight their battles for them (they call the police to try and arrest you for hate speech - they don't do it themselves).

The idea that White Males and SJWs are remotely comparable is utterly laughable. SunW appears to have a point.